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So, whether he suspected or not before, after TAP the Doctor now KNOWS...
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jdmartin
02-06-2011
...that Amy & co have seen his death, and that he invited them to see it. It's strange how as this season has wore on, his death has almost taken a back seat to the pregnancy saga, and now the kidnap of Amy.

It has seemed so far that the Doctor has always known more than he was letting on, and the FleshPond revelation kind of emphasised this. I'm guessing he's suspected all along, and used the FleshDoctor switch to confirm his suspicions.

The real nagging point is, he mentions that FleshDoctor's 'molecular memory may survive [the sonic's melting]'. Since seeing the FleshDoctor, him being the one killed at the lakeside seemed far too obvious, yet this line almost seemed to leave the door open specifically for it.

Basically, I'm so incredibly looking forward to Saturday, and may just explode over summer with what is bound to be an infuriatingly brilliant cliffhanger. My head is bursting with theories and counter-theories. Anyone else find that they're arguing with themselves?
Leper Messiah
02-06-2011
I'm surprised nobody else has picked up on this
Doctorwho2011
02-06-2011
I posted about this before, and it got completely ignored. Its seems that The Moff is even more of a genius as the writing has seemed to shift the attention of viewers. I assume the whole Doctors death thing is a plot line for the second half of the series.
lauranceallen
02-06-2011
I have a feeling he always has known, in fact he engineered it to smoke out the person or persons behind the whole charade and thats what this is a charade. the real action is going on behind the scene unseen.
jdmartin
02-06-2011
Originally Posted by Doctorwho2011:
“I posted about this before, and it got completely ignored.”

Sorry, I had a quick trawl and didn't see it mentioned. On the note of being ignored, I've noticed certain patterns of whose posts get replied to, and let's just say I have my (somewhat cynical) theories.

I am falling deeper and deeper in love with Moffat, although to be honest TCOFD alone makes me adore him.

I do get the feeling, too, that we will see a lot of footage around some of these episodes. Timey wimey is going to be even bigger this year, I feel, and we're probably going to have to wait until the final episodes. I, for one, can't wait!
sebbie3000
02-06-2011
It's much more likely that Moff specifically left it in there so people would think it could be the answer - but I highly doubt it will be.

He's probably teasing us.
tysonstorm
02-06-2011
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...82&postcount=8

I think he kind of suspected something bad was going to happen and that the others knew but couldn't tell him, then it was confirmed when Amy thought he was the ganger then of course there is the comment towards the end of TAP where the ganger Doc and Miranda are holding the door and the ganger Doc says something about dying in which the real Doc retorts "but this one we are not invited too" under his breath before he leaves.
kalon1701
02-06-2011
Probably being a bit dim here but.... TCOFD?
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kalon1701
02-06-2011
I'm probably being dim but what's TCOFD?
Apologies for the re post, my browser went all squiffy, could a mod remove this one please?
sigsig
02-06-2011
Originally Posted by kalon1701:
“Probably being a bit dim here but.... TCOFD?”

The Curse of Fatal Death, a Doctor Who parody
kalon1701
02-06-2011
many thanks
kalon1701
03-06-2011
My other half hates it when I start prattling on with all my theories, as soon as the flesh doctor was revealed I immediately thought that it's
Spoiler
flesh doc that cops the blast from the spacesuit
but then I started thinking that maybe
Spoiler
the doctor that gets shot is flesh doc and the proper doc is in the suit


I'm not sure if that's classed as a spolier, but I thought I'd err on the side of caution.
sigsig
03-06-2011
Silly question, but what would happen if a future Doctor went back in time and killed himself? Would the future Doctor just disappear? Or would he just be an anomaly?
kalon1701
03-06-2011
That would bring a grandfather paradox into effect, there was a documentary on discovery about time travel that theorised that a person travelling back in time to seriously alter history, i.e. kill their grandfather, would be overwhemingly compelled not to do it or something would happen to prevent it. Because the fact that you have travelled back in time means that you didn't kill your grandfather because if you did you would exist to travel back in time. Now my head hurts!
sigsig
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by kalon1701:
“That would bring a grandfather paradox into effect, there was a documentary on discovery about time travel that theorised that a person travelling back in time to seriously alter history, i.e. kill their grandfather, would be overwhemingly compelled not to do it or something would happen to prevent it. Because the fact that you have travelled back in time means that you didn't kill your grandfather because if you did you would exist to travel back in time. Now my head hurts!”

Thank you. I thought I had a cunning theory there! Back to the drawing board...
LivingDestiny
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by kalon1701:
“That would bring a grandfather paradox into effect, there was a documentary on discovery about time travel that theorised that a person travelling back in time to seriously alter history, i.e. kill their grandfather, would be overwhemingly compelled not to do it or something would happen to prevent it. Because the fact that you have travelled back in time means that you didn't kill your grandfather because if you did you would exist to travel back in time. Now my head hurts!”

After reading this 4 times i understand :P Basically if you kill your grandfather, you would have never have been born to kill him and therefore will survive
kalon1701
03-06-2011
Sort of, yeah!
MiniDoctorFreak
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by LivingDestiny:
“After reading this 4 times i understand :P Basically if you kill your grandfather, you would have never have been born to kill him and therefore will survive”

Unless you get a TARDIS and do whatever the master did to it so the 'toglafein' could kill their ancestors.
kalon1701
03-06-2011
Ah.... never thought of that, curse those evil time lords!
MiniDoctorFreak
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by kalon1701:
“Ah.... never thought of that, curse those evil time lords!”

Indeed, damn meddling aliens.
kalon1701
03-06-2011
But the theory of the Grandfather paradox, minus the interference of a megolomaniac from Gallifrey, still stands. Although personally I thought my grandad was brilliant, so if I invented a time machine I wouldn't go back in time to do him in, I would go and see Dinosaurs, Dinosaurs are most definitely cool! And then I'd go to the future so that I could see the flying cars and robots that those of my generation were told we'd have by now! So far the 21st century is nothing like they said it would be.
MiniDoctorFreak
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by kalon1701:
“But the theory of the Grandfather paradox, minus the interference of a megolomaniac from Gallifrey, still stands. Although personally I thought my grandad was brilliant, so if I invented a time machine I wouldn't go back in time to do him in, I would go and see Dinosaurs, Dinosaurs are most definitely cool! And then I'd go to the future so that I could see the flying cars and robots that those of my generation were told we'd have by now! So far the 21st century is nothing like they said it would be.”

pfft flying cars? matrix style dream worlds are they way the world seems to be going. Why go to work physically when you can work in a virtual office? But I don't get paradox theories, they make my brain hurt.
kalon1701
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by MiniDoctorFreak:
“pfft flying cars? matrix style dream worlds are they way the world seems to be going. Why go to work physically when you can work in a virtual office? But I don't get paradox theories, they make my brain hurt.”

My generation was vitually promised flying cars, somehow I feel cheated. A certain animated series had a reasonable solution to the Grandfather paradox which involved on eof the main characters becoming his own grandfather.
MiniDoctorFreak
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by kalon1701:
“My generation was vitually promised flying cars, somehow I feel cheated. A certain animated series had a reasonable solution to the Grandfather paradox which involved on eof the main characters becoming his own grandfather.”

I forgot futurama... but that's just scary *shudders*. Maybe there will be flying cars for a bit then, I think James May did a show where there were some prototypes.
kalon1701
03-06-2011
and moon bases? not James May doing a show about them, proper moon bases, we should have them now too! my childhood was based on false promises, so is my adulthood. Oh well at least there is symmetry!
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