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Cowell Denies BGT Fix
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grimtales1
04-06-2011
Originally Posted by MrsSpoon:
“Don't get me wrong because I thought they were brilliant, but I did wonder if Pip and Puppy wre chosen by the judges over Michael because it would mean that another female got into the final aswell as Jean Martyn..
Otherwise I don't believe the show is fixed.”

I wonder what Pippa will sing? She should choose something well known
Unifix
04-06-2011
Originally Posted by spoonfulofsense:
“I'm still confused as to why the police are investigating libel claims.”

Hi, Journalism student here doing a Media Law exam next week. He should sue this blogger for libel because he has clearly made a defamatory statement here that has put Cowell's reputation on line. If the guy wants a court case he should go for it as he has to prove nothing, it is the accusor that has to prove what he is saying is true, although it would be the opposite in the states. There is no way Cowell wanted this PR. Blogs are an overall fantastic things for our democracy and hopefully Journalism will be able to embrace it but these type of things put the reputation of blogging into disrespute.

Regulation clearly has to be tighter as the internet is not controlled anywhere near enough if you compare it to the traditional press where an opinion piece of this would never be allowed by a columnist under the PCC Code of conduct. Shame I did my blogging exam yesterday because this would have been perfect for me.

This could work either way for Ronan, it will either make him lose votes or gain them. I have sympathy for Cowell, there are some very sad people out there trying to de-rail him with all their campaigns and after reading the blog it was nasty saying the things they did about a 12 year old boy. I don't know how he's going to track the blogger down but I hope he does because people seem to think they can get away with posting anything on the internet with the comfort of anonymity.
Love Bear
04-06-2011
Originally Posted by MD1500:
“I hate to say it, but there was something not quite right about his denial...

Simon said he hadn't met Ronan before the first time he appeared on the show. As Simon wasn't at the auditions though, this creates more questions than it answers, and actually makes the "fix" claims seem more relevant, not less.

IMO, anyway.”

What did he say? That he'd never met Ronan before Britain's got talent?

Ah, but he never said what year, did he?
MD1500
04-06-2011
Britain's Got Talent's contract secrets: sign up for 10 years and don't slam the show

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/...5875-23178114/

Quote:
“The contract, which the Mirror has seen and all semi-finalists are required to sign, says:

COWELL’S record label Syco owns the rights to the winner for 10 years.

A NINE-strong group on the show’s tour are paid just £140 each per performance.

THE winner gets a £75,000 advance for an album – out of which all expenses including travel are paid.

ACTS threatened with legal action if they “bad-mouth” the show.

WINNER banned from talking about Simon Cowell’s private life.”

Ultra Magnus
04-06-2011
Originally Posted by haweitogs:
“If anyone saw the little shit's interviews today and still tell themselves the kid isn't a professional, then words fail me. Nobody of his age and alleged inexperience has that much savoir faire without training - and lots of it. You could have stuck him on Question Time FFS! He was totally polished.”

I don't bother posting much on DS anything like I used to, and it's stupid, mean-spirited comments like that this which remind me why.

Quite how you qualify the claim that no ordinary 12 year old could handle the rigours of a soft pre-recced TV interview, I don't know. Parke's clearly a smart and outgoing kid - but believe it or not - that's not unique. Whilst most children wouldn't come across as well he does in interview, there are plenty who would.

And that brings me to what I thought was most pathetic about your nasty little post:

Ronan is 12 years old. He's a kid.

And you're sitting there at your keyboard, with no real knowledge of what this small boy is really like - and you're calling him 'a little shit'.

You must be really proud of yourself. Grow the **** up.
Samthefootball
04-06-2011
Originally Posted by Ultra Magnus:
“I don't bother posting much on DS anything like I used to, and it's stupid, mean-spirited comments like that this which remind me why.

Quite how you qualify the claim that no ordinary 12 year old could handle the rigours of a soft pre-recced TV interview, I don't know. Parke's clearly a smart and outgoing kid - but believe it or not - that's not unique. Whilst most children wouldn't come across as well he does in interview, there are plenty who would.

And that brings me to what I thought was most pathetic about your nasty little post:

Ronan is 12 years old. He's a kid.

And you're sitting there at your keyboard, with no real knowledge of what this small boy is really like - and you're calling him 'a little shit'.

You must be really proud of yourself. Grow the **** up.”



I agree. Some of the Comments on hear make me so angry. There was this 7 year old singer who sang at the Auditions and some posters said he made them feel sick, he's a brat. It's uncalled for and posters should be banned for making comments like those.
Like an Onion
04-06-2011
Originally Posted by Ultra Magnus:
“I don't bother posting much on DS anything like I used to, and it's stupid, mean-spirited comments like that this which remind me why.

Quite how you qualify the claim that no ordinary 12 year old could handle the rigours of a soft pre-recced TV interview, I don't know. Parke's clearly a smart and outgoing kid - but believe it or not - that's not unique. Whilst most children wouldn't come across as well he does in interview, there are plenty who would.

And that brings me to what I thought was most pathetic about your nasty little post:

Ronan is 12 years old. He's a kid.

And you're sitting there at your keyboard, with no real knowledge of what this small boy is really like - and you're calling him 'a little shit'.

You must be really proud of yourself. Grow the **** up.”

^^ This

The main reason I am dubious about this 'blogger's' claims is that he professed to be worried about the 12 yr old. This is despite the fact he questioned the childs sexualisation, manners and morals in a document that is high in accusation and low in facts.

This anonymous blogger has single handedly thrust a 12 year old into a media firestorm and there is no proof whatsoever that any/some or all of what is being claimed is true.

If you took out the boys name (and allegations of his sexualisation) and replaced his name with any other popular contestant it would be just as believable.

I do not believe that the voting is being rigged, if it was there would be more than one singer winning in four years.
MD1500
04-06-2011
Another conspiracy theory.

Maybe Simon wrote and leaked that false info himself, to stop all the attention on Cheryl Cole.
Paul Moseley
04-06-2011
Originally Posted by Like an Onion:
“^^ This

The main reason I am dubious about this 'blogger's' claims is that he professed to be worried about the 12 yr old. This is despite the fact he questioned the childs sexualisation, manners and morals in a document that is high in accusation and low in facts.

This anonymous blogger has single handedly thrust a 12 year old into a media firestorm and there is no proof whatsoever that any/some or all of what is being claimed is true.

If you took out the boys name (and allegations of his sexualisation) and replaced his name with any other popular contestant it would be just as believable.

I do not believe that the voting is being rigged, if it was there would be more than one singer winning in four years.”

Totally agree. Anyone with a half decent knowledge of the programme (for example, many of those who post here) could have constructed that blog.

Personally, I think it's a bloody awful thing to put a 12 year old through. I interviewed his mum shortly after Syco put out their statement and I completely believed her when she dismissed the claims as 'laughable'.

I felt very sorry for her and her family yesterday. It must have been terrible.
Phil.
04-06-2011
Originally Posted by Ultra Magnus:
“I don't bother posting much on DS anything like I used to, and it's stupid, mean-spirited comments like that this which remind me why.

Quite how you qualify the claim that no ordinary 12 year old could handle the rigours of a soft pre-recced TV interview, I don't know. Parke's clearly a smart and outgoing kid - but believe it or not - that's not unique. Whilst most children wouldn't come across as well he does in interview, there are plenty who would.

And that brings me to what I thought was most pathetic about your nasty little post:

Ronan is 12 years old. He's a kid.

And you're sitting there at your keyboard, with no real knowledge of what this small boy is really like - and you're calling him 'a little shit'.

You must be really proud of yourself. Grow the **** up.”

My feelings exactly, although I was never a prolific forum poster, more of a reader, I do think a lot of the comments posted lately are increasingly bitter, spiteful and show complete lack of respect for anyone. As a rule I would never post anything on the net about someone unless I was also prepared to say it to their face.

Back to the question in hand and several things spring to mind, moon landings, 9/11, Obama's birth certifcate, Diana's death. All of have been subject to conspiracy theories and it seems we all love one. This just appears to be another in a long line of what initially seems plausable but on closer inspection is just so much hot air. There are many faults with the original blog as posted on the net, including glaring spelling mistakes. Surely any self respecting "executive" would spell check such a damning document before posting it online. And why chose a little known Polish website to post it on?

Also, with all this publicity why hasn't the author come forward? If he is who he says he is and can prove any of what is written then now would be his best chance. Any newspaper would be prepared to pay a fortune for proof that the show is fixed. If he is genuine and truly cares about the wellbeing of a 12 year old then he should step forward. I won't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen.
Eurostar
04-06-2011
Originally Posted by MD1500:
“I hate to say it, but there was something not quite right about his denial...

Simon said he hadn't met Ronan before the first time he appeared on the show. As Simon wasn't at the auditions though, this creates more questions than it answers, and actually makes the "fix" claims seem more relevant, not less.

IMO, anyway.”

The one thing that puzzles me is how short and terse the denials have been. Are Cowell and Syco afraid that if they issue a lengthy statement to the press or even do a press conference, it will raise far more issues than it puts to bed? Don't forget the original email was three pages long and contained 2400 words, with numerous different accusations in it.
strange famous
04-06-2011
Originally Posted by nancyboy:
“It's a criminal offence punishable by up to 6 months in prison to make a "malicious communication" known or believed to be false and intended to cause distress or anxiety.

Simon Cowell says that the alleged hoax which started all this falls into this category.”

there's a big difference between reporting something from the police and the police investigating it.

If your house gets burgled, the police will take a report and give you a crime reference, but they are unlikely to make any effort to find out who burgled it.

This whole thing is just another stunt to gain media hype. He's trying to cash in on the whole Imogen Thomas thing I suspect...
Ultra Magnus
04-06-2011
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“The one thing that puzzles me is how short and terse the denials have been. Are Cowell and Syco afraid that if they issue a lengthy statement to the press or even do a press conference, it will raise far more issues than it puts to bed? Don't forget the original email was three pages long and contained 2400 words, with numerous different accusations in it.”

Personally, I was surprised that they issued a formal denial in the first place.

The original blog was full of defamatory claims from an unknown source - any media organisation reporting those claims would immediately put themselves in danger of facing legal action.

The official denial made it much easier for media organisations to then repeat the claims.

I can see why there's now the additional conspiracy theory that this whole thing was cooked up to create extra controversy and coverage.
rolysb
04-06-2011
And now here is this . . . . .

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...to-Cowell.html

and this . . .

Mitchell Zhangazha of New Bounce played his part as young Michael Jackson perfectly - his voice was out of this world. Starring in Thriller Live in London's West End.
rolysb
04-06-2011
http://www.thrillerlive.com/show/cast/west-end-cast/
Samthefootball
04-06-2011
Originally Posted by rolysb:
“And now here is this . . . . .

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...to-Cowell.html

and this . . .

Mitchell Zhangazha of New Bounce played his part as young Michael Jackson perfectly - his voice was out of this world. Starring in Thriller Live in London's West End.”


You posted this in a couple of places. It still does not prove it's a fix if that's what you want
Eurostar
04-06-2011
Originally Posted by Ultra Magnus:
“Personally, I was surprised that they issued a formal denial in the first place.

The original blog was full of defamatory claims from an unknown source - any media organisation reporting those claims would immediately put themselves in danger of facing legal action.

The official denial made it much easier for media organisations to then repeat the claims.

I can see why there's now the additional conspiracy theory that this whole thing was cooked up to create extra controversy and coverage.”

Many aspects of this affair don't really add up for me. If this is the work of an internet hoaxer or fantasist, Syco should either have completely ignored him or else issued a longer press release clarifying how Ronan Parke first came to their attention.
Eloise Tardella
04-06-2011
all syco and their employees have done is claim it isnt true, pretending it is a betting syndicate/ vendetta against ronan. is there any real evidence they are taking legal action? they have been desperately trying to prevent all discussion of it on here. the claims are surely easy enough to refute with a bit of research, yet we must just shut up or be sued.

why should i believe anything syco say anyway? its not as if they have earned trust- look at what they did at the x factor semi final last year...then later justified it by saying they always had a sing off at that stage (total lie).
JasonWatkins
04-06-2011
I can just imagine all the bewildered faces if ronan doesn't win. you'll have thousands of kids looking confused and saying "but .. the press .. told us it was fixed for him to win. i don't understand ?".
MrRight
04-06-2011
Originally Posted by Paul Moseley:
“Totally agree. Anyone with a half decent knowledge of the programme (for example, many of those who post here) could have constructed that blog.
Personally, I think it's a bloody awful thing to put a 12 year old through. I interviewed his mum shortly after Syco put out their statement and I completely believed her when she dismissed the claims as 'laughable'.

I felt very sorry for her and her family yesterday. It must have been terrible.”

Really? Did you know that he had sung at a Bryan Gunn family party?
Yes he said it was Bryan Gunn's birthday and it turned out to be his daughter's but that's not a name just anyone could come up with.

I'm not necessarily saying its all true but clearly Cowell & Syco are incredibly self-serving & money-focussed & their response seems fishy as others have mentioned.

People are also focussing on the "sexualisation" part of it as if he was being groomed for paedophiles, whereas it suggests more that they wanted to exaggerate his already camp qualities to create a more unique image. This is still wrong but the over emphasis on this part of the article is clouding the rest of the debate.

Admittedly terms like gay sexualisation are shocking but having heard what Simon says to contestants in front of the camera, imagine what record execs say about them in private!
Puterkid
04-06-2011
The shame of it is, for Ronan, he's damned if he wins, and damned if he doesn't. It's a lose/lose situation for him from now on - always to be dubbed the 'fix' kid.

If the blogger wanted to damage Cowell, fair enough, but to do so by involving and possibly ruining the chances of, a 12 year old boy, that's very out of order

I actually think Ronan is the best talent from the show this year, conspiracy or no conspiracy.

Who is Bryan Gunn anyway?
Paul Moseley
04-06-2011
Originally Posted by MrRight:
“Really? Did you know that he had sung at a Bryan Gunn family party?
Yes he said it was Bryan Gunn's birthday and it turned out to be his daughter's but that's not a name just anyone could come up with.”

Anyone with Google could come up with it:

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/poringla...alent_1_880559

Quote:
“The Parkes are close friends of the Gunn family, and Norwich City legend Bryan Gunn said yesterday the families were planning to get together to watch the show last night.

He said: “A lot of the speculation in the press has been saying that the winner could come from one of the younger entries. Of course we all think it will be Ronan.

“He is always singing around the house at home and when the family go round to friends for lunch Ronan always gives us a medley of his favourite songs.”

The former goalkeeper’s daughter Melissa helped Ronan to put together his application for Britain’s Got Talent, and Ronan’s older brother Declan is friends with Mr Gunn’s son Angus.”

MrRight
04-06-2011
Originally Posted by Paul Moseley:
“Anyone with Google could come up with it:

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/poringla...alent_1_880559”

Fair play.
Still think Cowell's about as trustworthy as Bernard Madoff.
Eurostar
04-06-2011
I've just noticed btw that neither Cowell nor Syco have denied the claim that Ronan was scouted by BGT talent scouts, "invited" to audition and fast tracked straight through to sing in front of the celebrity panel.
Fizix
04-06-2011
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“I've just noticed btw that neither Cowell nor Syco have denied the claim that Ronan was scouted by BGT talent scouts, "invited" to audition and fast tracked straight through to sing in front of the celebrity panel.”

Because that happens on TV talent shows and is common knowledge and thus probably true.

I don't have any problem with acts being invited to audition for the judges via talent scouts.

That does not make a fix, it's not the same as an already signed artist being thrust onto the show to kickstart them or manipulating a win for a chosen contestant.
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