That's the bit that's unsupported - where does it say that they have a unique consciousness all their own? At best, the Doctor implied that the Flesh as a whole might have a consciousness all it's own - very Nestene-like, that - the same consciousness that had Ganger Jenny in it's grip, but not the others. The other gangers didn't remember the pain and the questioning. If the gangers had been treated with a little more dignity and respect, those psychic agonies wouldn't have been incorporated into the Flesh itself.

Avatar Amy didn't suffer, wasn't subjected to agony, was simply disconnected. It's no more a murder than disconnection of the life support machine to someone who is a vegetable and will never recover.

The 'Gangers are Sontarans' theory based on the fact the spacesuits look similar. Ridiculous.

River being Romana was equally dumb.

For sure.

Anything incestuous. It had started to disturb me that people thought that might actually happen

What makes you think so?
I probably wouldn't have minded any of that, just as long as Amy wasn't actually having an affair with the Doctor. I was a bit bothered it would be that, which would have just been

I didn't mean that rudely, just I wouldn't imagine what you said being any more horrific than what they were doing in The Doctor's Wife. Probably less actually.
I know we didn't actually see them doing it, but I think it was explained clearly (certainly more than implied) what House was meant to be making its kids out of, and it wasn't "Sugar and spice and all things nice" was it?*

(Spoilered incase people are eating)
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I didn't take it that you meant it rudely.

I read some speculation that Amy's embryo might be removed from her womb, and some Timelord DNA extracted from the Doctor somehow inserted into it, then the whole thing put back inside Amy without her knowing.

A bit Rosemary's Babyesque.

I personally feel that that is a fairly horrific scenario for a Saturday teatime family programme.

I was a bit, well actually very, surprised that some posters seemed to think it was acceptable as a plot line.

I know chopping up dead/alive Timelords is a bit ugh, but it does have a comic element to it (or maybe that's just me).

Unfortunately, I doubt that will ever go away.

Or the sally sparrow one. despite Carey Mulligan now being on the rise in Hollywood, and being able to demand more money than the BBC can afford.

Well that would be! I imagined them sort of injecting her with energy or something before she was pregnant, no removing involved, then next time she gets pregnant the child becomes a Time Lord. I was trying to work out how that's any worse than Cyberman conversion, disembodied eyes on the walls and whatever else. I can certainly see what you mean if it was done the way you're describing it, there'd have been mega complaints!

I don't mind it because I'm into horror, and I certainly liked seeing the Doctor's reaction when he found out, but I didn't notice a comic element!

Just me, then.

(Bits of Timelord stuck willy nilly onto the family as they wear out, so they have mismatched arms, 2 left feet etc?)

The thing I read about Amy was after she'd been taken by the Silents, having told the Doctor she was pregnant. The implication was that the Silents had messed about with the embryo to produce the little girl, apparently a Timelord.

Kind of see what you mean, and I'm not in any position to call you twisted!
It just depends on you I suppose. For example in the last episode, when Amy's baby melted I laughed at the look on her face, and when the Doctor was angry and/or nearly crying all I felt was hot, but then I found it really sad when the Sontaran said he'd had a good run because he was nearly twelve.

*idea pops*
Can we be absolutely sure they haven't done something like that as well as the vortex thing? We don't know what they were doing with her and whether it was her real self or a ganger at the time.

I suppose we can't be sure. They were doing something weird with Amy.

Maybe we've not seen the last of that theory, after all.

Well I highly doubt they'd do the removing part, like I said it'd get complaints so don't worry about that. They could have done something like the way I imagined it, firing regeneration energy at her or something, apart from upsetting Rory that wouldn't be too horrible would it?

Also no, that theory isn't entirely finished with - I was told months ago on here that there was absolutely no way River was Amy's daughter, and virtually accused of trolling!

I don't know about theories that have died, but this one REALLY needs to die. Not only was this position debunked on Doctor Who Confidential last week and discussed ad infinitum on here to prove why it is wrong, but they clobbered the position home this week in AGMGTW, as the Doctor explicitly states what the ganger situation was in no uncertain terms. Heck, they even started referring to them as flesh avatars in order to further the distinction.

You got it wrong. It's time to get over it so this theory can join the other dead ones.

Er..anything that upsets Rory upsets me.

But, no, it could be done in a way that wasn't too horrific, I suppose.

I think Moff's way too clever to overstep the mark.

Remember that we are talking about Amy's flesh avatar here, not the real Amy. We now know that Amy was cloned when she was already pregnant, so (unless the advanced technology has found a way not to clone a pregnancy), her ganger will also be pregnant. The Silence did take ganger Amy and do something (we don't know yet what) but I hope and imagine it won't be anything too graphic on a teatime show.
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I only mean in terms of it not needing any physical or body horror with removing things etc. If it's upsetting because the characters don't like it that's not horrific IMO and unfortunately (or not) something's going to happen to them sooner or later anyway. I mean look at the end of Doomsday. I've heard more physical horror in a Stereophonics record than there was in that scene, but did it upset people? Of course it did!

Yes please no further mentions of the Rani

River injected Amy with something nefarious in flesh and Stone.

If it was ganger Amy they've already killed it so surely they've stopped whatever the Silence were doing, and that entire scene was kind of pointless?

I'm talking about DOTM when the Silence took Ganger Amy in the orphanage - this was before she got zapped in The Almost People by the Doctor. They obviously took her for a reason and she was there for several days - they could have taken DNA cells from her etc., who knows? But before that time in TIA Ganger Amy told the Doctor she was pregnant then after being captured by the Silence she said she wasn't.

River is the doctor's mum theory. although some people seem to think that still.

That theory should have run its course in DotM when River stuck her tongue down his throat!

No there are still people with their fingers in their ears and eyes persumably.

no, I don't think some people have been watching very closely.