Okay alot of people seem to be going on like everything that comes out of the Doctors mouth is lies? and Rivers for that fact?
There are some people are still convinced that River is lying even after that very emotional scene where River was obviously close to tears.

Just because they tell a few lies doesnt mean everything that comes out of there mouths is lies.

rule number one-the doctor lies
the doctor has told quite a few fibs/been generally very deceitful in the past 2 seasons, why shouldn't we question everything he says?
River is also in prison for killing a man and is supposed to be used as a weapon, she also seems to swan around doing whatever she wants, so again, it's not like she can be fully trusted either

In what way has he been 'very deceitful'? The Doctor rarely lies. And never without good reason.

i agree the doctor only lies when he has to and to get a bigger outcome

He seemingly led everyone to watch his death and believe he was indeed dead.
He allowed everyone to believe Amy was the real Amy
He led them to believe he was dead in the Big Bang
Those are off the top of my head
Admittedly all for good reason but then why shouldn't we believe he may still be telling lies for good reason?

Maybe they're lying about lying in order to seem enigmatic and confusing?

We don't know that that's a lie.

That was a little thing called tact - not revealing something that would terrify them until he had the answers. If he hadn't been there, they wouldn't know at all.

There's a scene in an old Harry Turtledove book where an enemy chief specifically requests a particular officer is included in talks aimed at defusing a battle because he know the officer can't lie to save his life and so would give away any secret plans.

They meet and manage to play a military deceit despite his questioning the officer at length.

It's pointed out that he certainly was completely usefull at general lying, but all the wild horses in the world couldn't pull a military stategem out of him.

There's different sorts of lying

I have to agree that the Dr has been very manipulative and unrevealing of the truth since MS took over...

However this is not really a new development of the character.

Nope. That was (apparently) a future version of the Doctor, who as far as we know is indeed dead. The present day Doctor was totally unaware of those events, so where did he lie?

no i'm not saying it is a lie but it is deceitful, for good reasons or bad. i'm not criticising the doctor, just pointing out that there is good reason not to believe everything that he says at the moment. I'm sure his intentions are good but doesn't change the fact that he often deceives

it's still the doctor (i am assuming it is since old canton tells us as much)

But that is his future self - about 200 years older - so in 200 years he will die. We won't know about it thought because we'll already be dead anyway

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Yes, but he'd only have been lying about his death if he was not, in fact, dead! The fact that he presumably knows the others will still see his younger self again doesn't mean he isn't dead in the future, and it doesn't mean his younger self knows what happened-he hasn't lied to anyone about his death!

My head hurts! As i said i'm not saying he LIED here but that he (the future doctor but STILL the doctor) was deceitful to the others in leading them there knowing full well what would happen and giving them no warning. Whether that was for their own good or not is not the issue up for debate here

If the Doctor lies, then how do we know he was 1100 in The Impossible Astronaut?
I'm not sure he is tbh...

he's either lying or at some point he is going to disappear for like 200 years, not that that isn't possible

I don't think thats the issue. I think the issue is some people now acting as though everything the Doctor says is a lie. Which is, of course, rather stupid. But welcome to the internet

Its not that The Doctor lies, its the fact that MOFFAT LIES, which is worrying me!

i'm merely defending those who might do this even though i myself foolishly take pretty much everything the doctor says as gospel

I'm convinced that the Doctor's either lied about his age several times in the last two series or else there are a couple of fairly long periods of time when he could have been doing other things in the background. To be honest, I think 909 was a lie - "hidden" because it sounds "right" after the 1103 one.

Why do you assume he knew he was going to get shot? He may well have known it was a strong possibility, but I can''t see him being fatalistic enough to walk into a certain death situation.

he asked them not to intervene and he asked canton to bring petrol don't forget! so he knew he was going to die here, presumably he also knew that there was a way out of it but we're yet to find out how

I think if he knew it would save the life of the child of two best friends then he would do exactly that