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Old 06-06-2011, 18:07
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is river song the dr's mum??
making amy his grandma.

she said she hadn't seen to cot for a long time!
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Old 06-06-2011, 18:10
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is river song the dr's mum??
making amy his grandma.

she said she hadn't seen to cot for a long time!
No chance! They kiss!!! She is most likely the future partner of the doctor IMO even if only for a little while
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Old 06-06-2011, 18:22
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No chance! They kiss!!! She is most likely the future partner of the doctor IMO even if only for a little while
But that's what the Doctor said at the end of AGMGTW is it not.

"But we err *kiss kiss*"
"yes we did"
*cheeky laugh*
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Old 06-06-2011, 18:24
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But that's what the Doctor said at the end of AGMGTW is it not.

"But we err *kiss kiss*"
"yes we did"
*cheeky laugh*
Yeah that was strange because it is Amy's daughter, plus Amy and the doctor have kissed
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Old 06-06-2011, 18:28
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but if none of them knew.
then they wouldn't know not to kiss!
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Old 06-06-2011, 18:29
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Yeah that was strange because it is Amy's daughter, plus Amy and the doctor have kissed
Have you never seen Mrs Robinson.
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Old 06-06-2011, 18:33
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but if none of them knew.
then they wouldn't know not to kiss!
I assumed River does know. Plus it is implied that River and the doctor have kissed a lot yet we have still only seen it once? Would the doctor really kiss her AGAIN after finding out she was his mother?
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Old 06-06-2011, 18:36
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As River has seen the cot before could the little girl be her daughter with the Doctor?
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Old 06-06-2011, 18:38
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i presumed the little girl in the space suit was river!
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Old 06-06-2011, 18:53
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i presumed the little girl in the space suit was river!
Perhaps that's what we were meant to think.
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Old 06-06-2011, 19:02
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The way I saw it:

Doctor: "Who are you?"
River: "Am trying to tell you"
Looks at the Cot - River is Melody who is the girl in a spacesuit who is in 1969, who we will end up going back too
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Old 06-06-2011, 19:02
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Was the space suit used by the little girl the same as the one used to shoot the doctor? If so then these theories about it having been Rory or anyone else who is grown up are surely incorrect since there was only enough room in that suit for a child
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Old 06-06-2011, 21:49
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But...But....If River says that 'she is trying to tell him'. How would River's name (or other such clue) be imparted onto the cot if it was the doctor's cot???

Assuming the cot hasn't been written upon since the doctor used it, then how can it even hint at River's identity??? Unless, of course she is in some way related to him (such as Mummy dearest).

We all know that both the Doctor and River are/were/will be an item but he suddenly gets a revelation and quitely says 'Hello'. He surely wouldn't say that to someone he already knows that he has/had/will have a history with??

Come to think of it, River does call him, My love, and ok, yes she kisses him (albeit once passionately, but lets skip that for this theory anyways) which could, I say,COULD possibly mean that she is somehow related. Does being his 'wife' mean something different in Time-Lord society???

Incest isn't something the show will want to get itself involved with, so maybe the 'Mummy' aspect is wrong, but there is definitely something else to be considered in their relationship.

Just a thought
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Old 06-06-2011, 21:53
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But...But....If River says that 'she is trying to tell him'. How would River's name (or other such clue) be imparted onto the cot if it was the doctor's cot???

Assuming the cot hasn't been written upon since the doctor used it, then how can it even hint at River's identity??? Unless, of course she is in some way related to him (such as Mummy dearest).

We all know that both the Doctor and River are/were/will be an item but he suddenly gets a revelation and quitely says 'Hello'. He surely wouldn't say that to someone he already knows that he has/had/will have a history with??

Come to think of it, River does call him, My love, and ok, yes she kisses him (albeit once passionately, but lets skip that for this theory anyways) which could, I say,COULD possibly mean that she is somehow related. Does being his 'wife' mean something different in Time-Lord society???

Incest isn't something the show will want to get itself involved with, so maybe the 'Mummy' aspect is wrong, but there is definitely something else to be considered in their relationship.

Just a thought
Its been made clear that they have kissed more than once. In no way are they anyway related as that is still incest.
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Old 06-06-2011, 22:12
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But that's what the Doctor said at the end of AGMGTW is it not.

"But we err *kiss kiss*"
"yes we did"
*cheeky laugh*
My taking of that, was that the Doctor kissed the baby Melody earlier in the episode and had a conversation with her, after all he speaks baby.
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Old 06-06-2011, 22:18
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But...But....If River says that 'she is trying to tell him'. How would River's name (or other such clue) be imparted onto the cot if it was the doctor's cot???
Because a) River used to sleep in that cot, b) she can read Gallifreyan, because she's part Time Lord, i.e. Melody, and c) because the prayer leaf inside the cot had her name on it.
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Old 06-06-2011, 22:40
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she may have a child with the doctor at some point in their future. she is not, and never would be his mother. she is constantly flirting with him.
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Old 06-06-2011, 22:41
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but if none of them knew.
then they wouldn't know not to kiss!
The fact that it is a BBC family drama is enough to rule that one out as a possibility.

Now if it were Torchwood, I'd believe they might go there. But on Doctor Who....not a chance!
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Old 06-06-2011, 22:47
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but if none of them knew.
then they wouldn't know not to kiss!
it would mean she'd have to go back in time, and shag his dad. i'm sorry but this is not something I can see happening.
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Old 06-06-2011, 23:12
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You know, this thread has made me realise something. The girl in the alleyway regenerated. I guess I thought that was River, but if River could regenerate, then surely she would have in the Library. As such, as someone mentions above, is the girl the daughter of River and the Doctor?
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Old 06-06-2011, 23:16
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You know, this thread has made me realise something. The girl in the alleyway regenerated. I guess I thought that was River, but if River could regenerate, then surely she would have in the Library. As such, as someone mentions above, is the girl the daughter of River and the Doctor?
she was blown up in the library. even the doctor would have died doing that. that's why she took his place. she sacrificed herself to save him, to stop him.
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Old 06-06-2011, 23:33
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she was blown up in the library. even the doctor would have died doing that. that's why she took his place. she sacrificed herself to save him, to stop him.
This as River says.
It'll stop both of your hearts and don't think you'll regenerate!
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Old 06-06-2011, 23:51
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This as River says.
Considering how many times the Master has come back from absolute, unquestionable, certain death for all time, I don't think we can rule out anything where the Doctor is concerned. Now, River, even if she is the adult version of Melody Pond and somehow part Time Lord, is another matter. I think this one will be argued up until such time as we actually see her come back from death, if that ever happens.
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Old 07-06-2011, 00:03
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The fact that it is a BBC family drama is enough to rule that one [incest] out as a possibility.

Now if it were Torchwood, I'd believe they might go there. But on Doctor Who....not a chance!
Please... We are talking about the Davies/Moffat universe here. We just saw an adventure where two characters are the crime-fighting lizard woman in Victorian London and her human maid, who are carrying on a lezbian relationship. Two more are the thin, fat, gay married, Anglican marines who think that they don't need names, and besides which, one doesn't even have a head now.

And, lest we forget, the subject has already been brushed against, but not actually happened, all the way back in 2005 with Rose and her dad.
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Old 07-06-2011, 00:10
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As mentioned even if River could regenerate they both knew a timelord couldn't survive the damage River went through (probably a lot more damage than the Doctor getting shot twice by the spacesuit and that killed him pretty instantly)

As an aside can anybody see the Doctor raising Melody himself or having a family on screen? Besides the problems with episodes storywise it would make an episode a thousand times more difficult to shoot with a baby/young child given screen time. They could write it in another way of course, maybe do a '200 years later...' type thing (which could account for the future doctor's age in TIA) but i can't see it happening tbh
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