Ok, so numerous threads keep popping up every couple of days giving random suggestions on who kills the Doctor, who is inside the spacesuit, why it might happen blah blah, so I thought it best to try and consolidate all these threads into one easy repayable thread . . . Oh hang on, no that's something different

My theory is that it is indeed River in the spacesuit, but a much younger version, when she's only mid-30's, and it's the first time she meets the Doctor - when she kills him.

River says in The Impossible Astronaut that the first time she meets the Doctor she is a young girl and he basically arrives and tells her how much he nows about her

What about "Spoilers"? He shouldn't be telling her her future... naughty Doctor.

she doesn't say he tells her all about herself just that he knew all about her, not specific details of her life

I think Maggie did it

Well, we already know that's not true. She's the baby he's just met the ganger of (and spoke to), and she's already told Rory that he dropped out of the sky when she was a little girl, knowing everything about her.

And calling a thirty year old River "much younger" is a little harsh, surely?

True. But if she's got Timelord DNA the River we know at the moment could be over a hundred

She doesn't have Timelord DNA.

She has Human+ DNA.

What if its the doctor thats with rose that can regenerate, it would be the same one as they both have the same DNA (Matt Smith.) so maybe he needed to get dead in order to save some timey wimey implosion. Also i cant imagining them killing the Dr off as he has two generations left and Dr Who is a popular show the BBC makes money from... sorry to bring it all back to reality.

or it could of been the doctor who was a ganger..did we see him die, or did the explosion happen and the scene cut away i cant remember. maybe the ganger turned evil..

and while we are on the subject i get confused with all the river/dr stuff cos river seems to contradict herself alot.. like in the one at the beginning of the series with the aliens she said ever time i see him he knows me less. the time will come when the dr doesn't recognize me. it will klill me (or something like that)... but she has already met him in SITL... oh wait.. maybe that didnt happen yet and yes it did kill her.. spoilers...oh..gonna stop rambling now...

* Edited cos there where to many mistakes, cant be having that!

the doctor with rose was human (and killable) and designed to give rose her happy ending (and to an extent the doctor, although not our doctor)

I think it was someone we've not met yet.

How amazing would it be if it was Hitler? lol.

yes this is true. just trying to think of ways to undead the dr.. its no way what it seems. ooo wheres the autum lol

Who killed the Doctor?

Michael Grade?

@ ianjac I shouldn't factor in the 13 limit if I were you - it's been bust in passing comment in the SJA and also won't be holding the BBC back as and when the time comes!

There was certainly an implication that the ganger-doctor might survive... he was not created from a pattern taken someone 'in harness' and then accidently brought to life - but rather by the flesh actively choosing to reach out and make contact with the doctor. Perhaps as part of it becoming self aware? IMHO the ganger Doctor could indeed still be the one killed by the spacesuit - and my money's on the 'original' Doc 11 being in the suit too.

Surely if it was the ganger doctor that died then he would of gone, well, sploosh?

Nah, buzzer didn't when he was electrocuted to death.

@ tallorder.. im with you.. i was thinking along those lines. i dunno about it being the real Dr who's shots him but i am liking the idea.. as he said, its alright i know its you rather affectionately..so it could be.. the thing i dont get actually, is why he wanted River, Rory and Amy there at his supposed death

and i kinda figured they would get round the old 13 regenerations things if they needed as it was kinda hinted at with the master being offered a who new set of regenerations.

the Dr didnt go splosh as from my understanding he was flesh not a ganger...

I don't think it is River, she always said she killed "a good man", and over the past couple of episodes, that has lead to Rory.

Could spark off a whole range of tacky merchandise a la "Who Shot JR?"....

i just had a thought you know that poem when a good man goes to war, could it actually be refering to Rory not the doctor? what with the hints of him falling from the sky and wearing his roman outfit again etc..

and i have decided i think its the real doctor who kills the flesh doctor on the beach. with River killing Rory and the little girl actaully being another wepon from one patch lady that went wrong.

Sorry but we are left to assume that River (if we believe she is the girl in the space suit.) grew up without her parents. Rory can hardly be the good man if she wasnt bought up by them? I mean I have never met my father but I couldnt say he was a good man because I dont know him.

Rory is a good man I will agree with you but to be honest I dont think its him. If I am proven wrong I will obviously concede but until episode 13 is finished I am not going to believe anything.

I think we need Moffat to get Sherlock on the case...(despite the fact that Moffat already knows...)

I think River going "of course not" when she failed to shoot the spacesuit strongly infers it was her younger self. And hence she realises that of course she must miss, because she remembers being there and not getting shot!

The spacesuit was created to keep the little girl in some form of stasis, outside the current universe and the Doctor wore it to kill a version of himself

I didn't get that at all. I got the obvious - that if a space suit comes out of the lake, then shoots green energy, doing it twice as it knew to stop the regeneration, she should have realised that a simple bullet would not stop it...

There's not enough evidence to say the little girl is River (implications are not evidence), and there is even less to suggest that she was in the space suit in 2011 after having escaped it and regenerated in 1969.

Except that you are overlooking the fact that whilst she might not have met Rory by the time she kills him (if she does), she did meet him later on as all-grown up River.

So by the time of the library and the angels (as that happens after these episodes in her timeline) she does know him, and can therefore judge him to be the best man she ever knew.