For heavens sake

YOU CAN LOAD THE CURRENT CACHED EPG INSTANTLY AT ANY TIME.

It's not old it's up to date as the cached epg is not static it's updated continously while the box is on and completely updated overnight.



Sorry to shout but you seem to be going deaf

So, if you took a car in for an MOT and it came back with the indicators not working, youd be quite happy if the mechanic told you that you have to flash the headlights and then indicate.

After all, they still work right?

So if the EPG is up to date, why cant you record from it instantly?
Why does it need to download the EPG every time you press guide then if its already up to date?
Youre just making the problem sound even worse.

I give up, Humax give you the option to download a new epg (usefull after a reset) where the cached epg is empty and the option to use the cached epg. Once populated you simply don't need the guide button until you delete the cached epg by something like a factory reset or a postcode change.

Pressing guide deletes the cached epg and rebuilds it from scratch. If tuner1 is recording pressing guide gives you the cached epg anyway as the box needs tuner 1 to completely rebuild it.

You said it, there is no need to download the epg every time that's the whole point.

So the box shouldnt do it unless the EPG is empty, like after a reset or a new install.

Its a fact theyve gone backwards, they broke something yet you seem to rabidly defend it.

I see you ignored the car analogy. Youd be quite happy to jump through hoops to get something to work rather than have them fix somethign they broke.

So tell me, why does this happen, you could record before and you cant now.

No wonder youre giving up because you cant defend something so retarded.

I agree with Flyer this latest firmware is a backward step, and I for one am losing faith in Humax products.

I quite agree with Flyer 10 and foxkilla, a backwards step by Humax.

If I press the guide button, I expect the PVR to show the cached guide or what it currently has cahed and then start populating it.

I find it annoying now when you try and set up a schedule from the guide that it then tells you its getting updated information (never used to do that). Why can it not just set the schedule from the guide and update the info when PVR gets it in the background.

Afterall you said it keeps this cached EPG up to date in the background. So the PVR should use it, not force a new dowload of EPG when there is no need to. When you press guide it should just show you the guide (or what it has, then populate as it gets it).

Start an instant recording and press guide. Explain how this works

I always hated the way that you didn't get that tranparent look when you pressed guide so switched to schedule then red a few months ago. I must agree though that this means the not only have Humax lost the plot, they have thrown the baby out with the bath water and pulled the plug. It willbe much easier to reload v13 every day or (does any really do this?????) switch the box off every night.

But seriously guys the box has 'issues'. Embrace them. We know how to work around them. Remember how happy you were when someone told you about that second plastic film on the fold down flap that when removed helped the remote? (we wont mention the crushing dissapointment that even when removed the remote was still radge which is why we all use multi remotes). What is the alternative anyway? Grundig? Samsung? Sky subscription?

If I don't need the Guide button what is it doing on the remote? Surely if this is a function that is very rarely used it should be off in the menus somewhere.
The Guide button should access the cached EPG so I can browse the guide and schedule recordings, not initiate a process that means I have to wait a while before doing anything.
I really don't see why you keep trying to defend Humax's poor design decision here - you don't happen to work for them do you?

Unfortunately you are quite correct, what is the alternative?
Whatever the foibles and bugs in the HDR it is still the best box on the market.
Personally, I'm waiting on the new card from BlackGold that does DVB-T2 + DVB-S2 so I can move to a HTPC solution. More expensive but at least I can fix the software if I need to

If you really find this so annoying why not simply get a Harmony remote add a button marked guide and assign a macro schedule/red to it. I don't work for anyone (I retired in 2000). Frankly I find the argument incredibly trivial.

It may well be the Freesat spec calls for a button marked Guide to download a whole new one. Perhaps you would be happier if it said New Guide.

Compared to finding a programme in the epg pressing one extra button is a pretty lame feature to complain about

Kind of speaks volumes about the mentality of some whingers on here.

You have lost me on that one!

I never do an instant record on the basis it never records the whole programme if it has already started, but that is just another annoyance.

If I did an instant record I would expect the PVR to record the current channel/programme (including what I missed of the current programme), then if I press guide I would expect the cached EPG to be displayed. What else should it do? or What doesn't it do?

So why do you so vociferously defend Humax's poor design choice?

If you record something or playback something, then you can instantly schedule any recording from the EPG. Which makes it all the more retarded that you cant do this when the box is idle and also that it worked 100% fine before the update.

[quote=Flyer 10;50664717. Which makes it all the more retarded that you cant do this when the box is idle and also that it worked 100% fine before the update.[/QUOTE]

Totally incorrect, you can also do this very easily this when the box is idle. It just takes one extra button push. This has been the total point of my postings.

So if in the next update the channel up button goes up 2 channels every time, you be quite happy to press up and then channel back every time you wanted to change up a channel?

You wouldnt want Humax to fix it and instead would be telling everyone theres a way around it because thats exactly what youre doing here.

Flyer10

The new software has been on Humax beta site long enough. Why did you not report the problems to Humax!

You are getting more and more ridicolous. You made a posting that was 100% incorrect and also totally misleading.

The capability to get an instant epg is not a new feature it's been there since the original release, just because

1 You weren't aware of it

or

2 Out of some wierd perversion you chose not to use it

I feel sorry for you - GET A LIFE, perhaps you could post some usefull advice instead of this peurile rubbish.

As far as I an concerned end of argument, I can't be bothered to argue anymore.

Perhaps its because you are 100% wrong and just will not accept it.

Youre the one who needs to get a life, I want something fixed and you are arguing so hard to keep something broken, thats how sad it is.

I never needed to use an instant EPG because I never needed it because you could always record straight away, how ****ing hard is that for you to understand.

Also if the EPG is updated all the time, why does it have to download a whole new one every time you press guide? Why not leave it to download in the background all the time?

Funny how you never answer those questions or my analogy.

It worked 100% but Humax broke it.

Because I never used the beta and even if I did, I dont think Humax are the type of company to listen to their customers.

How very true. This particular issue was reported to Humax years ago.

That makes it a lot, lot worse. Was any reason given for the change?

Ooops, sorry, no I meant the fact that the Guide button doesn't access the cached guide rather than the recent change that just makes it even worse.

What Badvok does not say is that Humax responded to the observation stating that they saw no reason to swap the logic for the two ways of accessing the epg.

mrs moaning about the 30sec delay how does she access the guide without pressing the guide button please sorry if ive missed somthing.