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thelostone
07-06-2011
As we all know she dies in "Silence in the Library" But do you think she could come back as shes part Time Lord?

And do you think the Doctor will tell Amy and Rory that when he 1st meet River she dies?
JCRendle
07-06-2011
It doesn't look like it. She said that if 10 had died the way she did, he wouldn't have been able to regenerate.
thelostone
07-06-2011
Originally Posted by JCRendle:
“It doesn't look like it. She said that if 10 had died the way she did, he wouldn't have been able to regenerate.”

But The Doctor finds her screwdriver has a hidden neural relay of the same type used in the team's communications devices and that it contains River Song's "data ghost". I think they could do something with that?
rostaria
07-06-2011
Originally Posted by JCRendle:
“It doesn't look like it. She said that if 10 had died the way she did, he wouldn't have been able to regenerate.”

This.
Its been clearly stated by Moff and others that there was no way in hell the Doctor would have survived it so why would River.

Also can you imagine the conversation.
Doctor: Rory and Amy I have something very important to tell you and its the hardest thing I have ever done?
Amy: What.
Doctor: Well the very first time I meet River was on a planet called the Library. There was alot of bad stuff happening that day shadows ate people and well River knocked me out and plugged herself into the machine and killed herself to release 4022 people.
Rory: WTF!!
MinkytheDog
07-06-2011
She doesn't need to "come back".

The River that died in the library is an older one in her her life-time. The Melody/River that's just been born has (being polite and not discussing a lady's age) a lot of years to live before she travels to the library and we can see all of those years.

If she didn't die in the library, it wouldn't affect any future episodes - she'd just keep meeting the Doctor further back in his time line - eventually going for dinner with (see - I'm still being polite) the first Doctor.

If you think about it - River lives an interesting life and her "death" actually gave her eternal life in that virtual world. A happy ending - except we saw it as a begining of the story.
Flamethrower100
07-06-2011
Originally Posted by thelostone:
“As we all know she dies in "Silence in the Library" But do you think she could come back as shes part Time Lord?

And do you think the Doctor will tell Amy and Rory that when he 1st meet River she dies?”

No, as there is no real need to. for all we know River could be a thousand years old when that happens to her anyway. probably she isn't that old. but she was deffinately older than the version we see, by a fare number of years.

this may not be the case, she may age like a normal human. but it could also be possible that she doesn't.

they don't need to change her death, or save her. becuase for the doctor she already died.
DocBlue
07-06-2011
Originally Posted by MinkytheDog:
“She doesn't need to "come back".

The River that died in the library is an older one in her her life-time. The Melody/River that's just been born has (being polite and not discussing a lady's age) a lot of years to live before she travels to the library and we can see all of those years.

If she didn't die in the library, it wouldn't affect any future episodes - she'd just keep meeting the Doctor further back in his time line - eventually going for dinner with (see - I'm still being polite) the first Doctor.

If you think about it - River lives an interesting life and her "death" actually gave her eternal life in that virtual world. A happy ending - except we saw it as a begining of the story.”

Is this really a happy ending?
Sh'boobie
07-06-2011
The Doctor will one day go back and place River's consciousness into a Flesh Ganger; where she'll live out her various regeneration's with a Ganger Doctor, pumpin' jublies to their loins' content.
MinkytheDog
07-06-2011
Originally Posted by DocBlue:
“Is this really a happy ending?”

In the sense that someone who had adventures and took risks "died" without actually snapping out of existence - then yes.

The point is that everyone dies. In River's case, her death isn't going to be the end - she continues in a different, virtual universe where she'll never age or have bunions.
Flamethrower100
07-06-2011
Originally Posted by DocBlue:
“Is this really a happy ending?”

compared to most people's then yes.
DocBlue
07-06-2011
Originally Posted by Flamethrower100:
“compared to most people's then yes.”

I'm not so sure. death is something we should all have to experience (if you're gonna get all technical about it then death of the mind too!)
Flamethrower100
07-06-2011
Originally Posted by DocBlue:
“I'm not so sure. death is something we should all have to experience (if you're gonna get all technical about it then death of the mind too!)”

yeh, well the computer won't last forever. one day, she would finaly die.
Sue_Aitch
07-06-2011
Except the Doctor says the power at The Libary will outlast the Sun, so River, Anita, Proper Dave and Other Dave and Miss Evanglista's data ghosts all have a long time ahead of them with CAL and Dr Moon.
MinkytheDog
07-06-2011
Perhaps the Doctor could upload his brain engram - keep her company.
CybesVybes
07-06-2011
I can't imagine River being content to play home-maker for eternity, which is effectively what she's been condemned to in that computer.

When I think about all the incredibly exciting things she's done and seen, all her fabulous knowledge and skills, having to live every day in a kind of Ground-hog Day existence as surrogate mum to an eternal little girl and two pretend children, with no chance of release, no chance of being let out for good behaviour, not even the possibility of death coming to end it all, it doesn't really seem like a 'happy ending' to me.
Helbore
07-06-2011
Whilst its always possible to bring her back to life (this is sci-fi after all!), I don't think there is any good reason to do so. All good stories have to end. River's story is odd in that we saw her end first, but it is still her end. It is fitting to her story that it is her end.

I hope Moffat has the good sense to not drag her story on beyond its length. Nothing ruins a good story more than refusing to let it end well.
BrunnenG
07-06-2011
Originally Posted by Helbore:
“Whilst its always possible to bring her back to life (this is sci-fi after all!), I don't think there is any good reason to do so. All good stories have to end. River's story is odd in that we saw her end first, but it is still her end. It is fitting to her story that it is her end.

I hope Moffat has the good sense to not drag her story on beyond its length. Nothing ruins a good story more than refusing to let it end well.”

Read my mind
Josh Pinder
07-06-2011
while i personally cannot look at The Silence In The Library/ Forest Of The Dead storyline the same way again (more tragic to watch now!) I do feel that if she was to be revived it would be kinda pointless as several have said.

We are viewing her life backwards and I love it, knowing more and more about her....i mean i think we just know the tip of the ice burg now, i think the rest of this series will explain everything! and also will open up future appearences out of order too

(still want River and Jack in a story!)
sebbie3000
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by DocBlue:
“I'm not so sure. death is something we should all have to experience (if you're gonna get all technical about it then death of the mind too!)”

She did experience it. Her physical body with the real consciousness died. Her 'ghosting' consciousness was what was saved - not the 'real' her.
johnnysaucepn
08-06-2011
Funny, Moffat actually addressed this directly on Twitter the other day - that only an echo of River was saved, just a memory, nothing you could put into a body. Bit like Astrid Peth, I suppose.
DeejayAJ
08-06-2011
jesus ****ing christ do you know what a spoiler is? thank you so much.
johnnysaucepn
08-06-2011
Do you think Amy and Rory would want to know that their grandchildren are imaginary?
welwynrose
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by DeejayAJ:
“jesus ****ing christ do you know what a spoiler is? thank you so much.”


How on earth is her death a spoiler when the episode aired in 2008 surely you're not that far behind
sebbie3000
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by DeejayAJ:
“jesus ****ing christ do you know what a spoiler is? thank you so much.”

Yes!

Do you?
DeejayAJ
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by welwynrose:
“How on earth is her death a spoiler when the episode aired in 2008 surely you're not that far behind”

Like that actually means anything in DW & there are some people only started watching from 5+. It's not just this thread, I click the main forum & there is always a spoiler thread as the latest post! Can DW not be exempt from the latest posts in the TV section? It's really annoying!
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