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50th Anniversary in crisis?
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daveyboy7472
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by Dr Ginge:
“Moffet is such a talanted writer that im sure he could find some way of writing these guys in and explaining the aging process.

I have been a who fan for many a long year and if you are doing a 50th anniversery episode i would expect lots of nods to the past otherwise it would just be a matt smith episode”

I agree with you but he's already done that in Time Crash.
daveyboy7472
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by DocBlue:
“Having never watched a classic who episode (at least that i can remember) i would still be very excited to see past doctors in a new episode, it wouldn't bother me one bit what they looked like or even really if they stood there motionless for the whole episode. I'd suggest you just admit defeat on this one, the majority seem to disagree with you.”



And as he still hasn't answered my question, I thinks so to and it's nice to hear that from someone who hasn't watched Classic Who. I hope you do get to do so one day, you don't know what you're missing.
outside
08-06-2011
Personally, I'd enjoy a 50th anniversary story without Matt Smith but they don't make the series exclusively for internet nobodies.
tysonstorm
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by daveyboy7472:
“So basically the New Who generation who started watching it as kids wouldn't want to see those Doctors back then?”

Some may do some may not. Sometimes it's best just the leave the past in the past.

Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“Seriously? Troughton was only in his forties when he played the Doctor originally! How old are you, twelve?”

31 actually, not that my age is relevant. I have always felt that both Troughton and Pertwee were older than they looked.

Originally Posted by Ja88ed:
“I would.

To be honest I would be tickled pink if there was simply a cameo scene with Matt Smith & Karen Gillian running down a street one way, to be passed by Paul McGann & Sheridan Smith in the other ”

I think I would too.

Originally Posted by DocBlue:
“Having never watched a classic who episode (at least that i can remember) i would still be very excited to see past doctors in a new episode, it wouldn't bother me one bit what they looked like or even really if they stood there motionless for the whole episode. ”

Which totally defeats the purpose of an episode/story. If people just want to stare at previous Doctors and mark out then there are plenty of those meet and greet sessions and book signings they can go to.

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“I'd suggest you just admit defeat on this one, the majority seem to disagree with you.”

But admitting defeat is admitting I am wrong, I don't believe I am wrong, my opinion is my opinion. We all can have a differentiating opinion on a subject without anyone admitting defeat.

IMO seeing old Docs return as they are, with the exception of McGann would be like having Burt Ward returning as Robin to star alongside Christian Bale's Bat-Man. Sometimes things are best just left as they are.
DocBlue
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by daveyboy7472:
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And as he still hasn't answered my question, I thinks so to and it's nice to hear that from someone who hasn't watched Classic Who. I hope you do get to do so one day, you don't know what you're missing. ”

I'm hoping to do so over the holidays! just have some uni related stuff to finish off on friday then i'm free
So i'll be looking for recommendations soon
tysonstorm
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by daveyboy7472:
“[/b]

And as he still hasn't answered my question”

Yeah because I've got nothing else better to do than sitting here at work replying to posts all day.
daveyboy7472
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by tysonstorm:
“Some may do some may not. Sometimes it's best just the leave the past in the past.
”

What is your viewpoint though? Would you like to see Matt Smith back in 30 years time?
MinkytheDog
08-06-2011
I'm fine with having plenty of "history" in a 50th episode - very fitting -but I can also think of other ways to celebrate it - like using that as the ideal time to sort out the number of regenerations or going all the way back to Doctor's beginings rather than the show's.

Better still, have a really big party - I want to see a Cyberman wearing a paper hat and watch a Dalek struggling to hold a plate and a glass at the same time.
DocBlue
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by tysonstorm:
“Which totally defeats the purpose of an episode/story. If people just want to stare at previous Doctors and mark out then there are plenty of those meet and greet sessions and book signings they can go to.



But admitting defeat is admitting I am wrong, I don't believe I am wrong, my opinion is my opinion. We all can have a differentiating opinion on a subject without anyone admitting defeat.

IMO seeing old Docs return as they are, with the exception of McGann would be like having Burt Ward returning as Robin to star alongside Christian Bale's Bat-Man. Sometimes things are best just left as they are.”

I would trust that the writers would make it work and that it wouldn't actually be old doctors just stood there for an episode. If it's your opinion that old doctors shouldn't be brought back on screen fair enough but you're making assumptions of other people's opinions which don't appear to hold
GARETH197901
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by tysonstorm:
“Some may do some may not. Sometimes it's best just the leave the past in the past.



31 actually, not that my age is relevant. I have always felt that both Troughton and Pertwee were older than they looked.



I think I would too.



Which totally defeats the purpose of an episode/story. If people just want to stare at previous Doctors and mark out then there are plenty of those meet and greet sessions and book signings they can go to.



But admitting defeat is admitting I am wrong, I don't believe I am wrong, my opinion is my opinion. We all can have a differentiating opinion on a subject without anyone admitting defeat.

IMO seeing old Docs return as they are, with the exception of McGann would be like having Burt Ward returning as Robin to star alongside Christian Bale's Bat-Man. Sometimes things are best just left as they are.”

Only if Joel Schumacher is directing
tysonstorm
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by daveyboy7472:
“What is your viewpoint though? Would you like to see Matt Smith back in 30 years time?”

Depends on how well he ages and if he still has "that" energy he displays.

Originally Posted by GARETH197901:
“Only if Joel Schumacher is directing”

Oh god, Burt Ward groin and nipple shots. Yuck!

Any way peeps I will have to pick this up later, I really really must get some word done before I finish at 3pm.
Hallamsteriscoo
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by GARETH197901:
“Only if Joel Schumacher is directing”

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

daveyboy7472
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by DocBlue:
“I'm hoping to do so over the holidays! just have some uni related stuff to finish off on friday then i'm free
So i'll be looking for recommendations soon ”

Well either you start at the beginning and work your way through or you go for the more popular Seasons like Series 13, that's a good starting point if you like a really good story!
DocBlue
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by MinkytheDog:
“I'm fine with having plenty of "history" in a 50th episode - very fitting -but I can also think of other ways to celebrate it - like using that as the ideal time to sort out the number of regenerations or going all the way back to Doctor's beginings rather than the show's.

Better still, have a really big party - I want to see a Cyberman wearing a paper hat and watch a Dalek struggling to hold a plate and a glass at the same time.”

This made me chuckle! I would love to see multi-doctor episodes but i agree that it could be just as special doing an episode such as one you have described. Maybe we could be taken back to when sexy stole our doctor
DocBlue
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by daveyboy7472:
“Well either you start at the beginning and work your way through or you go for the more popular Seasons like Series 13, that's a good starting point if you like a really good story! ”

That was my only concern, whether i could really get into the story of classic who, is the writing of as good/better standard than recent series? I suppose it has to be with the shoddy effects
daveyboy7472
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by tysonstorm:
“Depends on how well he ages and if he still has "that" energy he displays.

”

The point I was trying to make is that, and this really goes for the Tennant Fans in particular, fans of various Doctors can stay loyal to them for years. As with me and Peter Davison.

You may not want those Doctor's back but I can assure you there are a hardcore out there who would welcome Tennant or Smith back no matter how old they were. My Niece is one of them!
Hallamsteriscoo
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by DocBlue:
“That was my only concern, whether i could really get into the story of classic who, is the writing of as good/better standard than recent series? I suppose it has to be with the shoddy effects ”

I think it all depends on the frame of mind you watch it in.

I watched Robot recently, was in a really good mood to start with, and loved it, even with the "shoddy effects" (by today's standards anyway, and yes, I did see a slight wobble to a wall), but that didn't matter, it was great fun and I'm looking forward to watching it again
daveyboy7472
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by DocBlue:
“That was my only concern, whether i could really get into the story of classic who, is the writing of as good/better standard than recent series? I suppose it has to be with the shoddy effects ”

Well you shouldn't expect it to be but I find that some Classic Stories of Doctor Who are so good they make you forget the effects. I think Pyramid Of Mars is a great example of that really.
DocBlue
08-06-2011
Oh the effects don't bother me at all, I really am more of a sucker for a good story than visual effects. (in fact wouldn't it be nice for the 50th anniversary to bring back some of the costumes from classic who)
Perhaps i'll try to watch the first few then if that doesn't go well i can focus on the best episodes
daveyboy7472
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by Hallamsteriscoo:
“I think it all depends on the frame of mind you watch it in.

I watched Robot recently, was in a really good mood to start with, and loved it, even with the "shoddy effects" (by today's standards anyway, and yes, I did see a slight wobble to a wall), but that didn't matter, it was great fun and I'm looking forward to watching it again ”

Great you're enjoying it Hammy!

Originally Posted by DocBlue:
“Oh the effects don't bother me at all, I really am more of a sucker for a good story than visual effects. (in fact wouldn't it be nice for the 50th anniversary to bring back some of the costumes from classic who)
Perhaps i'll try to watch the first few then if that doesn't go well i can focus on the best episodes”


I find some of the Sixties Stuff are good as well. I would advise you not to watch The Web Planet or The Chase for a while though. The Web Planet is very outdated and unlike other stories it doesn't really have the story to overcome the dodgy effects. On the other hand The Chase is a good story but has a lot of noticable production flaws you really can't avoid seeing.
platelet
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by Dr Ginge:
“Moffet is such a talanted writer that im sure he could find some way of writing these guys in and explaining the aging process.”

Such as the timelords erasing the Doctor from history by causing him to de-generate, so Matt Smith degenerates into Tennant etc etc. They could artifically age Tennant and Eccleston and play up the aged look as an effect of the process (using an exausted body). Could make it a good old fashioned six part story with the Doctor degenerating at the end of each episode.
tingramretro
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by Dr Ginge:
“Moffet is such a talanted writer that im sure he could find some way of writing these guys in and explaining the aging process.”

He already has, in Time Crash. It also retroactively explains why Troughton and Pertwee loooked a bit older in previous multi-Doctor stories.
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“I have been a who fan for many a long year and if you are doing a 50th anniversery episode i would expect lots of nods to the past otherwise it would just be a matt smith episode”

Exactly!
MinkytheDog
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by DocBlue:
“This made me chuckle! I would love to see multi-doctor episodes but i agree that it could be just as special doing an episode such as one you have described. Maybe we could be taken back to when sexy stole our doctor ”

That works for me.

I have nothing but respect (okay - love in some cases) for every actor that has played the Doctor in the past but with the first three actors gone and most of the rest looking very little like they did in their days as the Doctor, having them playing the same characters would be a travesty and the whole thing would be pointless unless they all agreed to do it. Having stand-ins wearing wigs and make-up would be an insult and it would just become a great big, smug self-congratulatory in-joke.

If CGI takes a big step forward and they can have the Doctors as they were at the time, go for it. Otherwise, I can't help feeling that the end result would be cringeworthy.

Apart from anything else, they'd have to have at least 11 characters all of whom would need a reasonable amount of air and story time otherwise it would be like the pirate Captain and his kid in AGM - pop-up, say "Hello", then disappear leaving us wondering - "What was the point of that?". If you give each Doctor 2 minutes - that's half an episode gone - and still wouldn't give them much opportunity to show their individual personalities - vital for the 2005+ viewers - most of whom would only vaguely, if at all, know who they are never mind understand why they would need to be together to solve whatever problem the writers manage to shoehorn in to justify them being there.

That's without considering that two years from now, the global audience will have (hopefull) grown to an all-time high and the old-brigade fans (of which I am one) will be a very small part of the overall target-audience. Having a major episode that only really works for a tiny percentage o the audience would be a very risky proposition. If they are going to push the boat out and throw a lot of money at on episode, the BBC will want it to be wtached - by millions of people.

One other thing...

The anniversary is on a date when DW is off-air based on recent series. If they are going to broadcast a special for the 50th, it would be in pretty close competition to that year's Christmas special and would probably need to be funded outside of the series budget. Unless they cancel the Christmas spesh in 2013, it's going to be difficult.

In terms of milking the cash cow without feeding it any extra (which the BBC love to do) I suspect we'll have an anniversary series - the whole run being promoted as "Doctor Who's 50th Year" rather than any major specials.

If old Doctors do appear, they'll probably be spread through the series to keep the "celebration" theme running all year with the possibility of them being together in the series finale - that would allow more time per Doctor and they'd only be paying for one guest star per episode instead of paying for an entire series worth of other stars and then having to paying a whole load of "names" to be in a single episode.
tingramretro
08-06-2011
Doctor Who returns in the Autumn ths year. If they follow the same split series format next year, it should indeed be on around the time of the anniversary.
wizzywick
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“perhaps they are considering a move to an Autumn transmission which is why they haven't said when the episodes will be shown? just a thought.”

The BBC report says that "no air date is known but it is expected that a good chunk of the new episodes will be screened next year".

Could this mean that the series will start late Autumn and finish just before 2013's Six Nations? Then 2 specials for the Anniversary? Could be possible!
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