Has it turned out that this girl is NOT in fact River Song, after the mid-season finale?

There's no definitive answer yet.

We've been led to believe it is, so far - but you know what Moff's like for mixing it up a little...

No, but based on the flashbacks, the Doctor seems to think she is indeed Melody/River.

It hasn't said either way

Not a spoiler, but...

Oh no we don't!

Not everyone thinks that :P

I agree. As far as the theories I've read, hardly anyone thinks that...

I mean it is possible but it really wouldnt make sense to me. I just dont see River and The Doctor leaving any child in an orphange.

Its obviously meant to be her otherwise why give River Timelord DNA?

that's what is called a red herring. Of course it might not be, and it might be true, but it might not be. Much like we were beginning to believe:

* The Doctor was the baby's father
* That Lorna would regenerate into River
* That Amy was talking about the Doctor when she was kidnapped by the Silence and talking about the man who fell from the sky and made her life interesting.

and so on.

Sometimes Moff just signposts stuff to make us think one thing, only for him to surprise us. Until we actually see it revealed on screen, we won't know for sure.

But yes, you are probably right. But you might not be.

But it's not technically Timelord DNA - it's Human+. It's what happened to the Gallifreyans to create Timelords, but it's not actual Timelord DNA, if you see what I mean.

I think the important thing is that its only been "implied" that it is river song. This will be another thing that will need to be cleared up...maybe it was the slient on the hill

'We' being me and the missus... can't really believe I had to explain that...

that may actually be a plausible idea. It would explain why Amy was in the photograph.

Yeah but the timelines are messed up,

I don't really know anyone that were beginning to believe the first two. perhaps i just didn't venture into the right threads.



yeah thats what i meant. i was going to put air bunnies around "Timelord" but i forgot

I meant during the episode, based on the dialogue, not theories being posted by people on here, unless they were incredibly quick and desperate to tell everyone their theories in the main episode discussion thread rather than actually watch the episode (as has been known!)

The dialogue was leading, designed to make you think one thing, until they get to the end of the sentence. quick example:

..But not as brave that they'll have to be. Because there's someone coming. I don't know where he is, or what he's doing, but trust me, he's on his way. There's a man who will never let us down. And not even an army can get in the way......He's the last of his kind. He looks young but he's lived for hundreds and hundreds for years. And wherever they take you, Melody, however scared you are, I promise you, you'll never be alone. Because this man is your father. He has a name but the people of our world know him better....

that dialogue immediately makes you think, omg the Doctor is the father! until she says:

"as the Last Centurion."

I don't belive for one minute that the Doctor has fathered a child with Amy - never have - but for the sake of clarity....

It has not been definitely established what caused Melody's DNA to be not entirely human. The notion that she could have been conceived aboard the Tardis was offered as a theory and even the Doctor said it that it wouldn't be enough to cause that mutation (respect to Rostaria for spotting that).

All we know is that the Doctor denies being personally responsible and it was suggested that conception in the Tardis Vortex might affect the child's DNA. He also very specifically said that this only applied if the child was conceived "in this reality".

We know that Melody and Amy have both been scanned - the baby by Mrs K (hence the results the Doctor and Vastra looked at) and Amy by the Doctor (and it's hardly unreasonable to suggest that Mrs K will ahve scanned and probed her a few times too). We have not seen Melody's father being scanned at any point. Children inherit DNA from both of their parents - it's still possible that the Doctor/Vastra's guess that the DNA was altered as a result of the Tardis' vortex was wrong - Rory could be "different".

We also know that Amy was "repaired" by the Pandorica using DNA provided by Amelia touching the Pandorica in Big Bang. We've seen a "DNA touch" before - in Dalek - and that passed some of Rose's attributes onto the Dalek. The Doctor had been inside Pandorica immediately before Amy. It's possible - in sci-fi terms - that she was repaired using some of the Doctor's DNA or that she was already pregnant and only the foetus remained affected after Big Bang.

I'm not suggesting these are likely - just saying that the Vortex explanation was not stated in the show as a definite cause - just a possibility - and even then, it was said that it wouldn't cause that change without some other actions or events that we haven't seen or had confirmed by anyone - not even the mother who has made no mention of being "probed" (and who doesn't even appear to have treated too badly)

So he could be the father!

No No NO on all levels the implication that River is The Doctors Daughter is pretty sick. Given the Kiss, the implication that they have "married."
I know Moff is dark but going into incest territory is something that will never happen.

You could be right. There was more on that cot than we were being told.

I thought it more likely that Amy passed on the timelord DNA than Rory, but it was just a feeling. However, you have provided a plausible reason. Thanks