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Old 08-06-2011, 23:13
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Tonight was ridiculous- don't get me wrong- Pauline is a great actress- but the idea that she wasn't expecting to get arrested-for the Iove of God- are the writers even pretending to reflect reality at this point- when Chas is the smartest person in the room we're all screwed

We are going to have months of this nonsense aren't we
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Old 08-06-2011, 23:16
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Tonight was ridiculous- don't get me wrong- Pauline is a great actress- but the idea that she wasn't expecting to get arrested-for the Iove of God- are the writers even pretending to reflect reality at this point- when Chas is the smartest person in the room we're all screwed
Never fear, Dame Ange - when the rozzers catch up with him he'll be wearing a nice paper jumpsuit!

I can't imagine why the Quirke looked so surprised and bewildered when she got arrested - she can call it what she likes, but murder is murder in the eyes of the law - well, it is for now until she grasses Aaron up.

Still no real worries for his devoted fans - after months of crying and self-reproach, those lunatics in the scripting department will not only think of some banal way to justify what they did but also have the two of them cleared of all charges qne given some kind of humanitarian medal!
After all, this is Emmerdale, the village where murderers and serial killers go unpunished!

Cain and the cops were the only ones talking any kind of sense tonight - God, I'm so tired of it already and there's months of this tosh and oceans of tears to get through yet!
Where were Betty,Pearl & Alan tonight?

I'd have expected the resident busybody's to be out in force watching!

Did Hazel seriously think that she wouldn't be arrested after calling the police?

Me thinks Hazel,Jackson & Aaron are living in Namby Pamby Land .
My thoughts exactly. Are we really being led to believe that niether Jackson, Hazel nor Aaron suspected that they just might be arrested for this? Seriously?

Loved Cain tonight though. Talking an ounce of sense and being the good (if misguided uncle) and giving Aaron a way out if he wanted it, whilst at the same time making him totally aware that this will stick to Aaron for the rest of his life regardless of whether he stays or goes.

I'm also waiting in anticipation for future Chas-Hazel fireworks!
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Old 08-06-2011, 23:17
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Old 08-06-2011, 23:38
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Okay - I'm gonna buck the trend and say I actually enjoyed the episode tonight >>>dodges the rocks being thrown<<<<


The whole ep was far more character led than we've had.
I really thought PQ played a blinder tonight - the world has come crashing into her little bubble - her little enclave where normality had become completely out of kilter with the rest of the world, and now she's in shock.

Please remove Paddy from the abysmal Rhona, marlon & the baby storyline - tonight we had the Paddy of old back - and he was much the better for it.

Adam & Aaron work so well together - I thought it was quite heartbreaking to see Adam trying to be there for Aaron, but getting pushed away in the way that Aaron does - and ultimately breaking down later at Home Farm
He still made me laugh with his loose knickers is yesterday's news line to Ella though

Bob has been much more tolerable of late - hope it stays that way.

Cain giving out advice to Aaron without flourishing it with empty words was also on the money tonight.
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Old 08-06-2011, 23:59
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Okay - I'm gonna buck the trend and say I actually enjoyed the episode tonight >>>dodges the rocks being thrown<<<<


The whole ep was far more character led than we've had.
I really thought PQ played a blinder tonight - the world has come crashing into her little bubble - her little enclave where normality had become completely out of kilter with the rest of the world, and now she's in shock.

Please remove Paddy from the abysmal Rhona, marlon & the baby storyline - tonight we had the Paddy of old back - and he was much the better for it.

Adam & Aaron work so well together - I thought it was quite heartbreaking to see Adam trying to be there for Aaron, but getting pushed away in the way that Aaron does - and ultimately breaking down later at Home Farm
He still made me laugh with his loose knickers is yesterday's news line to Ella though

Bob has been much more tolerable of late - hope it stays that way.

Cain giving out advice to Aaron without flourishing it with empty words was also on the money tonight.
I am not throwing rocks..... but
the fact that Pauline and Danny can act was never in dispute- however they are constrained by the quality of the writing and the writing and storyline remains the issue- and I am finding the suspensions of disbelief (like the suprise that the police might consider this an offence) a bit much

It is frustrating because I think ED could have written an AS storyline which would have been poignant and heartbreaking- this is not it- I remain completely unmoved and unaffected (apart from exasperated and offended at the stupidity) which is probably the most damning criticism I can give
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it is completely possibly that Hazel and Aaron could of convinced themselves they'd be fine as they weren't talking to anyone with an outside view on the situation, anyone else would of told them to take him to get help with adjusting mentally, if Jackson was really sure about this and not depressed and feeling suicidal they would of gone to dignotas in Switzerland and in that way the would of been questioned by the police but no one has EVER been convicted when coming back from helping someone go there.

They were brainwashed by Jackson, who was always really selfish, even before the accident (classic case of spoiled brat syndrome), into believing they'd be fine afterwards.
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Old 09-06-2011, 00:07
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Part 3!!!

Another conga is called for methinks!


You're not alone sheepie, I found tonight's episode MUCH more tolerable than last nights - and I even had a lump in my throat when Hazel asked Bob to look after Jackson and not leave him alone The fact that Bob was oblivious to what had happened only added to the scene for me.

Yes Hazel absolutely should have known what was going to happen re getting arrested - which makes me think that she's been burying her head in the sand big style hoping that it wasn't going to come to this (which is natural) and even if Jackson tried to warn her that that it would happen (after all he did all that 'research' ) she'd probably closed her ears to it. Pauline Quirke is superb, she played the nervy, bewildered and totally shattered mother to perfection. SHE made the difference for me tonight, not Aaron (maybe I've just seen his snivelling too often?). And surprisingly I was very touched by Adam's tears too. And loved his pithy comment to Ella - something about loose knickers or Granny knickers wasn't it?

I found people's reactions fascinating too - Chas at first going to go off on one with Hazel for involving Aaron but calming down when she saw the state of her, to Paddy's calm handling of the situation to Brenda's rubbernecking. God help them when Betty, Pearl and Edna get wind of it!

Better than last night by a country mile IMO.

Still annoyed with the storyline and the way it's been handled up to this point though.
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Old 09-06-2011, 06:50
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Okay - I'm gonna buck the trend and say I actually enjoyed the episode tonight >>>dodges the rocks being thrown<<<<
You're not alone sheepie, I found tonight's episode MUCH more tolerable than last nights
I thought it was better too. The shock of the news and the presence of the police reduced the usual sniping and randiness a lot. However, the stupidity of how the Davros saga unfolded is still casting a long shadow over proceedings. And I'm afraid they're making Danny Miller turn on the waterworks far too often.

There seems to be a lot more misery to come and in real life the Quirke & Aaron would definitely be found guilty. The rights and wrongs of assisted suicide may be an interesting debate, but neglecting to explain the help that's available is unforgivable. Putting sensationalism before reality isn't on when dealing with such a sensitive issue.
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Old 09-06-2011, 09:11
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Okay - I'm gonna buck the trend and say I actually enjoyed the episode tonight >>>dodges the rocks being thrown<<<<


The whole ep was far more character led than we've had.
I really thought PQ played a blinder tonight - the world has come crashing into her little bubble - her little enclave where normality had become completely out of kilter with the rest of the world, and now she's in shock.

Please remove Paddy from the abysmal Rhona, marlon & the baby storyline - tonight we had the Paddy of old back - and he was much the better for it.

Adam & Aaron work so well together - I thought it was quite heartbreaking to see Adam trying to be there for Aaron, but getting pushed away in the way that Aaron does - and ultimately breaking down later at Home Farm
He still made me laugh with his loose knickers is yesterday's news line to Ella though

Bob has been much more tolerable of late - hope it stays that way.

Cain giving out advice to Aaron without flourishing it with empty words was also on the money tonight.
Great post sheepie! Agree with everything you said, especially about Paddy. Yes he was better away from Rhona. Also Adam was very good. Great acting all round tonight.
Do you know I am actually glad that Jackson has gone. He was making it so miserable!
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it is completely possibly that Hazel and Aaron could of convinced themselves they'd be fine as they weren't talking to anyone with an outside view on the situation, anyone else would of told them to take him to get help with adjusting mentally, if Jackson was really sure about this and not depressed and feeling suicidal they would of gone to dignotas in Switzerland and in that way the would of been questioned by the police but no one has EVER been convicted when coming back from helping someone go there.

They were brainwashed by Jackson, who was always really selfish, even before the accident (classic case of spoiled brat syndrome), into believing they'd be fine afterwards.
Yes I agree. Jackson couldn't care less of the consequences he was putting Hazel and Aaron through after the event, just as long as he got what he wanted. Very selfish to me.
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Okay - I'm gonna buck the trend and say I actually enjoyed the episode tonight >>>dodges the rocks being thrown<<<<


The whole ep was far more character led than we've had.
I really thought PQ played a blinder tonight - the world has come crashing into her little bubble - her little enclave where normality had become completely out of kilter with the rest of the world, and now she's in shock.

Please remove Paddy from the abysmal Rhona, marlon & the baby storyline - tonight we had the Paddy of old back - and he was much the better for it.

Adam & Aaron work so well together - I thought it was quite heartbreaking to see Adam trying to be there for Aaron, but getting pushed away in the way that Aaron does - and ultimately breaking down later at Home Farm
He still made me laugh with his loose knickers is yesterday's news line to Ella though

Bob has been much more tolerable of late - hope it stays that way.

Cain giving out advice to Aaron without flourishing it with empty words was also on the money tonight.
No one here will throw stones at you sheepiefarm for enjoying an episode of Emmerdale.

I deliberately didn't watch Tuesday's episode,having not watched it for 10 days.

Paddy & Hazel were both excellent but I did feel that they were all in la-la land,especially Hazel who didn't seem to understand the seriousness of her & Aarons actions

Ofcourse the poor woman was in shock & understandably so,I'm just hoping that Chastity doesn't lower herself back into the gutter by starting a brawl.

The presence of that knickerless lush ruined last nights episode for me,the sooner that Ella is gone the better!
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Great post sheepie! Agree with everything you said, especially about Paddy. Yes he was better away from Rhona. Also Adam was very good. Great acting all round tonight.
Do you know I am actually glad that Jackson has gone. He was making it so miserable!
I'm not sure about Adam I think he's a weak actor,I did feel sorry for him at Home Farm when he broke down.

Now enough of all the doom & gloom

Which brings me onto Home Farm,now that the Macey's are on the way out how about a grand old Dame takes over homefarm & restores the estate to its splendour!

A grand Dame would require a lot of staff,thus providing much needed employment in a rural community.

Any idea's which of the cast suit the following posts?

Estate Manager
Head Butler
Secretary
Footman
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Lady's Maid
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Old 09-06-2011, 11:25
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it is completely possibly that Hazel and Aaron could of convinced themselves they'd be fine as they weren't talking to anyone with an outside view on the situation, anyone else would of told them to take him to get help with adjusting mentally, if Jackson was really sure about this and not depressed and feeling suicidal they would of gone to dignotas in Switzerland and in that way the would of been questioned by the police but no one has EVER been convicted when coming back from helping someone go there.

They were brainwashed by Jackson, who was always really selfish, even before the accident (classic case of spoiled brat syndrome), into believing they'd be fine afterwards.
Absolutely right, Jimmy - I'm baffled as to how many posters elsewhere on the forum can't understand this!

Throw stones at Sheepie? Never!!

On rewatching, and in a calmer frame of mind today, (had a very bad day with my mother who suffers from dementia), I find that I also enjoyed last night's episode much more than any other lately because at last, the actors were allowed to spread their wings and show us what they can do.

Pauline Quirke's skills are a given, despite the lousy crack of the whip she's been given by the scriptwriters which now places her as the Judas Iscariot in the mix, hell-bent on betraying Aaron - but I could weep for Dominic Brunt who is capable of putting in a towering performance whenever he's given the chance to rise above being stiffed with Marlon and Rhona - and proved his worth yet again, last night!

Also commended, young Adam Thomas. Like Dame Angela, I've not been impressed by his 'acting' so far, but given the chance he stepped up to the mark. His shocked dismay coupled with his tenderness and concern for his friend far exceeded any of the much-trumpeted closeness and 'love' Aaron was supposed to have shared with Jackson. For the love of God, Emmerdale, give this young man a proper storyline - not - I hasten to add, as Aaron's new gay lover or as toyboy/boyfriend to any more wooden 'actresses' who give him nothing to work off!

Cain - I've always loved him, and, like the other mature actors I've mentioned previously, he's always brilliant given a decent storyline and a chance.

I know some of this on this thread don't like 'Chas' - I do - she gets on my nerves sometimes, but so did 'Viv'' and I her terribly - anyway, 'Chas' has every right to go ballistic when she finds out what's being going on and how her son has been used, and I hope she does - I bliddy would!

PS: Love your 'home farm staff list', Dame A - very 'Downton'!
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Absolutely right, Jimmy - I'm baffled as to how many posters elsewhere on the forum can't understand this!

Throw stones at Sheepie? Never!! I also enjoyed last night's episode much more than any other lately because at last, the actors were allowed to spread their wings and show us what they can do.

Pauline Quirke's skills are a given, despite the lousy crack of the whip she's been given by the scriptwriters which now places her as the Judas Iscariot in the mix, hell-bent on betraying Aaron - but I could weep for Dominic Brunt who is capable of putting in a towering performance whenever he's given the chance to rise above being stiffed with Marlon and Rhona - and proved his worth yet again, last night!

Also commended, young Adam Thomas. Like Dame Angela, I've not been impressed by his 'acting' so far, but given the chance he stepped up to the mark. His shocked dismay coupled with his tenderness and concern for his friend far exceeded any of the much-trumpeted closeness and 'love' Aaron was supposed to have shared with Jackson. For the love of God, Emmerdale, give this young man a proper storyline - not - I hasten to add, as Aaron's new gay lover or as toyboy/boyfriend to any more wooden 'actresses' who give him nothing to work off!Cain - I've always loved him, and, like the other mature actors I've mentioned previously, he's always brilliant given a decent storyline and a chance.

I know some of this on this thread don't like 'Chas' - I do - she gets on my nerves sometimes, but so did 'Viv'' and I her terribly - anyway, 'Chas' has every right to go ballistic when she finds out what's being going on and how her son has been used, and I hope she does - I bliddy would!

PS: Love your 'home farm staff list', Dame A - very 'Downton'!
He really impressed me last night - I thought his scene in the Home Farm office was really good and quite moving
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Absolutely right, Jimmy - I'm baffled as to how many posters elsewhere on the forum can't understand this!

Throw stones at Sheepie? Never!! I also enjoyed last night's episode much more than any other lately because at last, the actors were allowed to spread their wings and show us what they can do.

Pauline Quirke's skills are a given, despite the lousy crack of the whip she's been given by the scriptwriters which now places her as the Judas Iscariot in the mix, hell-bent on betraying Aaron - but I could weep for Dominic Brunt who is capable of putting in a towering performance whenever he's given the chance to rise above being stiffed with Marlon and Rhona - and proved his worth yet again, last night!

Also commended, young Adam Thomas. Like Dame Angela, I've not been impressed by his 'acting' so far, but given the chance he stepped up to the mark. His shocked dismay coupled with his tenderness and concern for his friend far exceeded any of the much-trumpeted closeness and 'love' Aaron was supposed to have shared with Jackson. For the love of God, Emmerdale, give this young man a proper storyline - not - I hasten to add, as Aaron's new gay lover or as toyboy/boyfriend to any more wooden 'actresses' who give him nothing to work off!

Cain - I've always loved him, and, like the other mature actors I've mentioned previously, he's always brilliant given a decent storyline and a chance.

I know some of this on this thread don't like 'Chas' - I do - she gets on my nerves sometimes, but so did 'Viv'' and I her terribly - anyway, 'Chas' has every right to go ballistic when she finds out what's being going on and how her son has been used, and I hope she does - I bliddy would!

PS: Love your 'home farm staff list', Dame A - very 'Downton'!
I do agree there were some strong performances last night- if I leave my issues with writing aside
Pauline was wonderful and her scenes with Chas were great- it is such a pity that Hazel ansd Aaron were so worn down by Jackson that they didn't talk to Paddy or Chas before they did this because you can see how much of a voice of reason Chas actually would have been- and her relationship with Aaron has improved so much in the past year that it is now credible when she interferes on his behalf
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On rewatching, and in a calmer frame of mind today, (had a very bad day with my mother who suffers from dementia), I find that I also enjoyed last night's episode much more than any other lately because at last, the actors were allowed to spread their wings and show us what they can do.

Aida,I never knew that about your poor mother how terrible for you all.




Pauline Quirke's skills are a given, despite the lousy crack of the whip she's been given by the scriptwriters which now places her as the Judas Iscariot in the mix, hell-bent on betraying Aaron - but I could weep for Dominic Brunt who is capable of putting in a towering performance whenever he's given the chance to rise above being stiffed with Marlon and Rhona - and proved his worth yet again, last night!

Also commended, young Adam Thomas. Like Dame Angela, I've not been impressed by his 'acting' so far, but given the chance he stepped up to the mark. His shocked dismay coupled with his tenderness and concern for his friend far exceeded any of the much-trumpeted closeness and 'love' Aaron was supposed to have shared with Jackson. For the love of God, Emmerdale, give this young man a proper storyline - not - I hasten to add, as Aaron's new gay lover or as toyboy/boyfriend to any more wooden 'actresses' who give him nothing to work off!

Cain - I've always loved him, and, like the other mature actors I've mentioned previously, he's always brilliant given a decent storyline and a chance.

I know some of this on this thread don't like 'Chas' - I do - she gets on my nerves sometimes, but so did 'Viv'' and I her terribly - anyway, 'Chas' has every right to go ballistic when she finds out what's being going on and how her son has been used, and I hope she does - I bliddy would!

PS: Love your 'home farm staff list', Dame A - very 'Downton'!
I don't mind Chastity & like you she does annoy me at times,I'm just hoping that she doesn't start a brawl in the street with Hazel.

I hate to see women having a scrap as its trashy.

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Old 09-06-2011, 13:00
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Congrats on Part 3. I've always enjoyed reading this thread, positives and negatives, so its nice to see it alive and well.

I agree that Adam isnt the best actor on the show. I find that he sort of slurs his words sometimes. Last night, however, I enjoyed his contribution. Aaron and Adam's friendship is much more endearing than Adam and Mia's relationship and WAY more than Aaron and Jackson's relationship ever was. I think that was what made Adam's reaction really special.

I probably should have started with this but I thought last night's episode was an improvement too. No doubt the majority, if not all of us on here despised Jackson's tetraplegia storyline but the aftermath looks promising. I do agree that Hazel not expecting to be arrested or even brought down to the police station was a bit bizarre. They made it clear that Jackson had done his research on assisted suicide but it is odd that he completely overlooked the legal consequences for Aaron and Hazel, and that neither of them considered the consequences either.

I think the best part about Jackson's demise is that Aaron and Hazel can now go back to being part of the village instead of being entrenched in the same, repetitive scenes of moping around Dale Head. Aaron and Cain's interactions was definitely a highlight and its nice to see Cain in these type of scenes as opposed to commiting petty crimes to annoy/impress Charity.

As for the other characters. Chas and Paddy both seemed very in-character last night - which is something a lot of characters are lacking nowadays. It was typical of Chas to blow her mouth of at first. Bob's contribution was also quite endearing, especially when Hazel was asking him to stay with Jackson and take care of him properly. It was probably the first time in this story that I actually got emotional for the characters. Any episode with Gennie always makes the show more enjoyable for me . Dunno what to make of the new café yet though. I know we haven't seen much of it but it does look very re-vamped. It definitely looks very modern for a rural village.
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Old 09-06-2011, 13:04
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I agree that Adam isnt the best actor on the show. I find that he sort of slurs his words sometimes. Last night, however, I enjoyed his contribution. Aaron and Adam's friendship is much more endearing that Adam and Mia's relationship and WAY more than Aaron and Jackson's relationship ever was. I think that was what made Adam's reaction really special.
I agree. That was probably the first time I really felt for Adam
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On rewatching, and in a calmer frame of mind today, (had a very bad day with my mother who suffers from dementia)
I am very sorry to read about your mother Aida. My mother in law had dementia so I have a very good idea of what you are going through. Keep smiling
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Dunno what to make of the new café yet though. I know we haven't seen much of it but it does look very re-vamped. It definitely looks very modern for a rural village.
Where are the Invisible Twins?
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Old 09-06-2011, 13:33
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Where are the Invisible Twins?
Bob's twins? God knows. Does he even still have them?
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Does he even still have them?
Yes Sightings are very rare though, a bit like Nessie
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Old 09-06-2011, 16:25
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Where are the Invisible Twins?
Bob's twins? God knows. Does he even still have them?
Yes Sightings are very rare though, a bit like Nessie
Once they are not running around the moors following the example of the original Kathy and Heathcliff we're safe

Now that would be a story that would get ED in real trouble
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Bob's twins? God knows. Does he even still have them?
Probably still in the Village Creche
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I wonder what was in that glass, specifically?
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