[narobi83]

If the past few episodes of Emmerdale are anything to go by we should have had Hazel and Aaron administer that fatal dose far sooner. The quality of writing and the performances we've had have been a vast improvement over the last few months.

As for Gerry I'm another that hates the character, only now does he care about his son and I don't even buy into that. He practically disowned him when he discovered he was gay and then shows up after the accident playing the part of a concerned parent. Unfortunately whilst he showed concern I don't think we ever saw him fully come to terms with his sons sexuality, if he truly loved and cared about him then he'd have accepted that aspect of Jackson's life. The "pervert" comment directed at Aaron only proves what little he thought about his son.

Usually agree with Mr Mustard on most views but I fail to understand his hatred towards Chas, I've always found her character to be consistent and whilst Lucy does have a tendancy to 'gurn' as he puts it I think it's quite fitting of the character and doesn't distract from the performance unlike manic arms Marlon. I've also found her performances this week to be some of the most gripping, I loved the scene where she tore into Hazel outside the pub toilets and then apologised.

I'm also liking how it's fetched Carl into the mix, the scene where he tried to pull Aaron away from Gerry was good for so many reasons. It set up the Cain and Carl rivallry, showed Carl is still very much a part of Chas life and placed characters who rarely interact with each other. For me and I don't know about others but I always find these scenes that put characters together who you wouldn't expect to be some of the best. Like the Lizzie and Hazel scene.

[lotty27]

Originally Posted by sheepiefarm

Just as he was reconnecting with him - but isn't that the rub.
If that re-connection was truly working - would Jackson have been so adamant so as not to have him involved?

Jerry lost his son on the night he assaulted him for simply being gay.
He has not had his son "taken" away from him - Jackson chose not to have him involved.
That is something he will have to come to terms with.

IMO He didn't want Jerry involved because he knew he couldn't emotionally blackmail and dominate HIM like he could Hazel and Aaron. Can you ever imagine Jerry being talked round into assisting his suicide because I can't. For once in his life Jerry might have done the right thing and got Jackson the help for his depression that he so desperately needed instead of seeing suicide as the only option.

But yes, he lost his son the first time because of his own rampant homophobia which won't have gone away (see his aggressive attitude with Aaron the other night) but I do believe that he loved his son, had done his best for him since his accident and in my own opinion he had a right to know. Hazel should have told him how depressed Jackson was NOT conceal it from him and go along with Jackson's little pantomime when Jerry was present even if she didn't tell him that he wanted to commit suicide. He should have had some warning that all was not right at least.

Originally Posted by Angela Channing

I agree Aida,she was most rude to Edna.

Hazel has said on many occasion that she didn't 'do God' (her words I believe) & that Jackson was not religious (though he did wear a silver cross).We don't even know if Jackson was a baptised Christian

But no doubt the vicar will be cast as the villian for refusing to give Jackson a 'Christian Funeral' & Hazel.


A Humanist Funeral would have been more appropriate seeing as both mother & son spurned religious beliefs.But we are dealing with Hazel who seems to be living in namby pampy land of late.

Totally agree with you Angela. IMO Ashley has a right to refuse of officiate if it goes against his beliefs. I record This Morning (they have some good guests) every day and there was a clip of Ashley telling Hazel and from what I could see he doesn't do it unkindly. And as you've highlighted, they were hardly practising Christian's were they so it could be seen as a bit hypocritical therefore why not have a humanist funeral? I've been to several of them over the last few years (inc my Uncle and Aunt). At my family's the local Vicar did the service but wore normal clothes and didn't allude to religion at all as they were a pair of old hippies who didn't believe it all that (their coffins were wicker, decorated with lots of sunflowers and were very pretty!) They were actually nice, rather uplifting services and would probably suit Jackson more than a religious service anyway so what's Hazel's problem?

And Hazel's rudeness to poor Edna who was extending the hand of kindness has put me off her somewhat. I notice she doesn't have that attitude with the mouthy Chas - just someone she knew wouldn't fight back and/or smack her in the gob!

[sheepiefarm]

Originally Posted by lotty27

IMO He didn't want Jerry involved because he knew he couldn't emotionally blackmail and dominate HIM like he could Hazel and Aaron. Can you ever imagine Jerry being talked round into assisting his suicide because I can't. For once in his life Jerry might have done the right thing and got Jackson the help for his depression that he so desperately needed instead of seeing suicide as the only option.

But yes, he lost his son the first time because of his own rampant homophobia which won't have gone away (see his aggressive attitude with Aaron the other night) but I do believe that he loved his son, had done his best for him since his accident and in my own opinion he had a right to know. Hazel should have told him how depressed Jackson was NOT conceal it from him and go along with Jackson's little pantomime when Jerry was present even if she didn't tell him that he wanted to commit suicide. He should have had some warning that all was not right at least.

I can actually see where people are coming from in regards to Jerry - especially those who are parents.
But I don't buy into the notion that a parent has obligatory rights - just because they are a parent.

It could also be argued that if Jerry had any understanding of his son - then maybe he would have surmised that all was not well.

I can't help but feel that Jerry's reaction has less to do with Jackson and more to do with whatever difficulties he has with Hazel.

but that's just my reading of things

Totally agree with you Angela. IMO Ashley has a right to refuse of officiate if it goes against his beliefs. I record This Morning (they have some good guests) every day and there was a clip of Ashley telling Hazel and from what I could see he doesn't do it unkindly. And as you've highlighted, they were hardly practising Christian's were they so it could be seen as a bit hypocritical therefore why not have a humanist funeral? I've been to several of them over the last few years (inc my Uncle and Aunt). At my family's the local Vicar did the service but wore normal clothes and didn't allude to religion at all as they were a pair of old hippies who didn't believe it all that (their coffins were wicker, decorated with lots of sunflowers and were very pretty!) They were actually nice, rather uplifting services and would probably suit Jackson more than a religious service anyway so what's Hazel's problem?

And Hazel's rudeness to poor Edna who was extending the hand of kindness has put me off her somewhat. I notice she doesn't have that attitude with the mouthy Chas - just someone she knew wouldn't fight back and/or smack her in the gob!

I think the whole funeral junket that is no doubt gonna spring up from Jackson's death is all a bit hypocritical.
It has been pointed out on a few occasions that the Rhodes family aren't in the least bit religious - and yet ED are obviously gonna use the funeral as another chance to milk more emotion out of this storyline.

[DuchessKitty]

To me, it's in keeping with Ashley's character to refuse to officiate. It shows that the issues he had with Sandy over his mother's death are still there.

I loved Lizzie last night and she's been growing on me when we get the chance to see her. As a person with a disability who hasn't let it take the joy from her life, IMO she is the perfect person to comment on Jackson's death. As she put it, he was just a beginner as a disabled person.

Carl doesn't miss a chance does he? He was all over Chas like a rash! I didn't think Cain needed to warn him off of his sister though, she knows better than most what he's like! If there is a reunion, I want her to finally discover the truth about Tom's death.

On that subject, I was glad to see Jimmy recall it and mention it. I wonder if this knowledge may have something to do with Scarlett's upcoming departure?

I'm going to sound a bit strange here, but I actually hope Aaron gets locked up. I'm sick of seeing him all the time and I just don't really get the obsession TPTB have with him. I thoought he and Paddy were good in the coming out storyline, but I don't want to see him and his tucked in trackies for a while!

Alicia is still annoying me. Why can't she go instead of Leyla? I don't buy her as a caring mother at all to Jacob and I just don't see the point of her.

One quick question, where on earth did Charity get those TVs?

[wildyounghearts]

Great posts everyone

I completely agree that Ashley should be entitled to refuse to officiate at Jackson's funeral
One of the most fundamental tenants of Christianity is 'thou shalt not kill'- There is absolutely nothing wrong in my opinion with standing over his beliefs

to be honest I am not sure why Hazel even wants a religious funeral

knowing the writers this will be presented as Ashley being cruel and insensitive but I think hs is entirely in the right- especially given his issues with his mother's death

To me it is another example of how Hazel doesn't really get what she and Aaron have done- they seen surprised that anyone would question their decision and shocked that anyone is expressing anger- repeating 'it's what Jackson wanted' like some sort of mantra- it's hard to believe they didn't know people would react like this-how brainwashed were they????

And having a go at Edna who was honest but showed compassion

[mr. mustard]

Originally Posted by narobi83

Usually agree with Mr Mustard on most views but I fail to understand his hatred towards Chas

I don't hate Chas or anyone in the show as it's only fiction. My take on cast members is based on two things: Are they playing a believable character? Is that character being acted well?

Most of the acting in Emmerdale is very good IMO. I've always said that most of the awful sequences are down to the writers alone. Only a handful in the cast consistently overact. The worst offenders are Mark Charnock & Lucy Pargeter in my view. That they both play OTT and ignorant characters makes a bad situation worse. Old YouTube clips show the Chas I once liked so much - less shouty, less prone to wear loud clothes and generally less of a pain. She was always confrontational but now she's become a caricature and exaggeration of the original superior version.

While I may cringe at and dislike Chas, I don't hate her or anyone else in Emmerdale

[lotty27]

Originally Posted by sheepiefarm

I can actually see where people are coming from in regards to Jerry - especially those who are parents.
But I don't buy into the notion that a parent has obligatory rights - just because they are a parent.

It could also be argued that if Jerry had any understanding of his son - then maybe he would have surmised that all was not well.

I can't help but feel that Jerry's reaction has less to do with Jackson and more to do with whatever difficulties he has with Hazel.

but that's just my reading of things







I think the whole funeral junket that is no doubt gonna spring up from Jackson's death is all a bit hypocritical.
It has been pointed out on a few occasions that the Rhodes family aren't in the least bit religious - and yet ED are obviously gonna use the funeral as another chance to milk more emotion out of this storyline.

Could not agree more on the point I've bolded. If Jerry hadn't turned up after the accident or had still had a bad attitude towards Jackson then I would've agreed wholeheartedly with him being left out as he wouldn't have earned the right. But it sticks in my craw that Jackson, Hazel and to a lesser extent Aaron (who always looks miserable so technically wasn't giving anything away) acted out a charade in his presence so that this has come as a huge thunderbolt to him. They played their hand so well that he thought everything was as well as it could be and if Jackson was sometimes moody, well, that was just Jackson, he was like that before the accident so he wouldn't have been alarmed or seen it as a warning. Being kept so much in the dark means he now literally thinks THEY chose to bump his son off!! No wonder he's going off on one.

I wonder if he'll calm down when he sees the videos? I still I can see him going for the jugular and and wanting a prosecution though can't you?

Originally Posted by wildyounghearts

Great posts everyone

I completely agree that Ashley should be entitled to refuse to officiate at Jackson's funeral
One of the most fundamental tenants of Christianity is 'thou shalt not kill'- There is absolutely nothing wrong in my opinion with standing over his beliefs

to be honest I am not sure why Hazel even wants a religious funeral

knowing the writers this will be presented as Ashley being cruel and insensitive but I think hs is entirely in the right- especially given his issues with his mother's death

To me it is another example of how Hazel doesn't really get what she and Aaron have done- they seen surprised that anyone would question their decision and shocked that anyone is expressing anger- repeating 'it's what Jackson wanted' like some sort of mantra- it's hard to believe they didn't know people would react like this-how brainwashed were they????

And having a go at Edna who was honest but showed compassion

I think Hazel is still under Jackson's spell - not Aaron so much as in the cafe he was doubting whether they'd done the right thing. I suppose she's brain washed herself that it was the right thing to do and you'd have to wouldn't you if you were going to go through with it. All those doubts would have to be chased from your mind so now, hearing any condemnation is confusing for her so she repeats her mantra of 'it's what Jackson wanted' to comfort herself perhaps?

I can't help wondering if this will tear Hazel and Aaron apart as he might turn on Hazel saying that SHE forced him into it? Especially if he starts spending time with people like Paddy who disagree with what they did. Unless of course we have a big, emotional funeral with the videos played thereby exonerating Hazel and Aaron in some people's eyes?

But ultimately they still have to live with themselves and I know It sounds morbid, but if she starts to doubt her own actions, could Hazel's departure from the village be in a wooden box too with Ashley once again refusing to officiate?


Maybe this was the whole point of the storyline? That they acted too fast, didn't do enough, never got any help, DIDN'T do the right thing and now they're having to live (or die) with the consequences?

Anyway, I'll shut up now as I'm rambing

[Angela Channing]

Originally Posted by wildyounghearts

Great posts everyone

I completely agree that Ashley should be entitled to refuse to officiate at Jackson's funeral
One of the most fundamental tenants of Christianity is 'thou shalt not kill'- There is absolutely nothing wrong in my opinion with standing over his beliefs

to be honest I am not sure why Hazel even wants a religious funeral

knowing the writers this will be presented as Ashley being cruel and insensitive but I think hs is entirely in the right- especially given his issues with his mother's death

To me it is another example of how Hazel doesn't really get what she and Aaron have done- they seen surprised that anyone would question their decision and shocked that anyone is expressing anger- repeating 'it's what Jackson wanted' like some sort of mantra- it's hard to believe they didn't know people would react like this-how brainwashed were they????

And having a go at Edna who was honest but showed compassion

Its all so bizzare to me,I'm religious but could you imagine me asking the local Hippies & Communists to give me a non religious funeral...I think they would laugh

As the old English saying goes Hazel 'wants to have her cake & eat it too'!

[Angela Channing]

Originally Posted by DuchessKitty

One quick question, where on earth did Charity get those TVs?

One other question does Charity even know about Jackson?

All she seems to be interested in is money! We never saw her near Lisa during her rape storyline.She's meant to be close to Chastity but at a time of a family another crisis she goes off & 'buys' some TV's

[mr. mustard]

Originally Posted by Angela Channing

She's meant to be close to Chastity but at a time of a family another crisis she goes off & 'buys' some TV's

The mountain of stolen TVs was bizarre to say the least. The Dingles badly needed culling and the loss of Eli & Shadrach was welcome, but the reduced clan feels disjointed. Cain, Chas & Charity rarely interact with Zak & Lisa and the unity of old has gone. It's ironic that the Dingles are largely free of petty crime-based 'comedy' now, but the rest of the village has been chavified with trailer trash behaviour.

[blue_cobalt]

Originally Posted by mr. mustard

The mountain of stolen TVs was bizarre to say the least. The Dingles badly needed culling and the loss of Eli & Shadrach was welcome, but the reduced clan feels disjointed. Cain, Chas & Charity rarely interact with Zak & Lisa and the unity of old has gone. It's ironic that the Dingles are largely free of petty crime-based 'comedy' now, but the rest of the village has been chavified with trailer trash behaviour.

Not watched Emmerdale for over 3 months because nothing of significance ever happened, they killed off two long serving characters which was unnecessary, far too much of Jackson and the fact the Dingles were ruined after an initial improvement (Charity and Cain returning, Eli and Shadders leaving).

I'm pleased that Jackson has finally left, but is that the end of it now or is the storyline going to continue dragging on for weeks to come?

[mr. mustard]

Originally Posted by blue_cobalt

I'm pleased that Jackson has finally left, but is that the end of it now or is the storyline going to continue dragging on for weeks to come?

I can see the storyline dragging on until the court case Blue If the Quirke and Jackson plead guilty now they can reduce their sentence by a third. The writers might want to initiate a debate on soft sentencing too while they're busy turning the show from soap to soapbox.

[maisymoo]

They should kick out Quirke to EastComas where she belongs (take Kelly with you Mrs) and bring back Seth Armstrong. Yes, I know he's dead, but given that Emmerdale is now "Look at my rack" he'd still be an improvement.

[valtimmy]

Originally Posted by mr. mustard

I can see the storyline dragging on until the court case Blue If the Quirke and Jackson plead guilty now they can reduce their sentence by a third. The writers might want to initiate a debate on soft sentencing too while they're busy turning the show from soap to soapbox.

I think you mean Aaron not Jackson, hes dead!

[Aida]

Originally Posted by Angela Channing

Its all so bizzare to me,I'm religious but could you imagine me asking the local Hippies & Communists to give me a non religious funeral...I think they would laugh

As the old English saying goes Hazel 'wants to have her cake & eat it too'!

The funeral situation is quite ridiculous for the precise reasons you've highlighted, Angela - as is the notion that some sickeningly sentimental 'final recorded message' from Jackson should form part of any service! Surely all of his mawkish drivel would be held by the police as evidence to present to the DPP?

As for the Quirke, she doesn't just want to have her cake and eat it, she wants everyone else to admire it and give her some kind of reward for 'baking' it!

Originally Posted by mr. mustard

The mountain of stolen TVs was bizarre to say the least. The Dingles badly needed culling and the loss of Eli & Shadrach was welcome, but the reduced clan feels disjointed. Cain, Chas & Charity rarely interact with Zak & Lisa and the unity of old has gone. It's ironic that the Dingles are largely free of petty crime-based 'comedy' now, but the rest of the village has been chavified with trailer trash behaviour.

Well, I certainly disliked Eli and Shadrach so wasn't at all sorry to see them go, but as you say, the unity of old is gone - at one time the entire remaining clan would have dropped everything to fly to Lisa and support her in her recent hour of need.

Your point about the vilification and chavication of the village is also all too true - and the various stories are so disjointed that it appears, to me, that 2 to 3 writers are given the task of writing for 2 or 3 of the currently-popular-with-the-producer characters - but they write in isolation, so that the end result is that nothing at all 'hangs' together properly.

I can imagine the scene at the monthly planning meeting where everything is being (badly) cobbled together and someone realises that none of the established cast has been given as much as a line of dialogue.

Panic ensues, until someone says, "Oh, just bung the oldies in the pub and give them a line or two each - yes - and you better shove the vicar and what's-her-name - you know, his wife - in there too! Nobody'll notice as long as there's plenty going on with 'Aaron' and the rest of the teens! Our audience loves them - and let's face it, their dialogue isn't hard to write!"

I don't know why we're so surprised, this has crept in insidiously since that bliddy train failed to annihilate St Jackson - my worst fears about the future direction of the show were realised when the majestic sweep down part of the Vale of York which opened the programme was swapped for a car and furniture ad set to music which sounds like a ice-cream van whizzing past at speed!

As a measure of how far our beloved 'Emmer' has fallen, if you feel strong enough, have a look at the thread discussing the need to give 'Edna' a storyline which includes such gems as bestiality, inventing a shady past for her, and, finally, giving her dementia!
You can imagine how utterly thrilled I was to read that last suggestion!

God help us and save us!

[maisymoo]

Aida says:I don't know why we're so surprised, this has crept in insidiously since that bliddy train failed to annihilate St Jackson - my worst fears about the future direction of the show were realised when the majestic sweep down part of the Vale of York which opened the programme was swapped for a car and furniture ad set to music which sounds like a ice-cream van whizzing past at speed!


LMAO!! I thought similar! And the Emmerdale logo that looks like a strip of Dymo tape stuck on at the end! What a load of crap!

[maisymoo]

Oh, and AIDA, if I wanted to see cleavage upon busts upon boobs upon bouncing boobies I'd watch Baywatch.
Why has Emmerdale gone all chav-tart-jugs city?

[Aida]

Originally Posted by maisymoo

Oh, and AIDA, if I wanted to see cleavage upon busts upon boobs upon bouncing boobies I'd watch Baywatch.
Why has Emmerdale gone all chav-tart-jugs city?

Because the writers have never actually lived in a Yorkshire village and have no idea what kind of people make up the population there, they'd probably be bored spitless to find that the majority of the population are mature and that activities and conversations often centre around such things as the planning of the next village fund-raiser/flower and veg show/fayre/WI or Mother's Union meeting, choral society, church flowers rota/next farmers' market/craft fair etc.

I'm not saying that there aren't 'kids' - there are - but they certainly don't figure as prominently as they do in 'Emmerdale' - and as for 'disaster after disaster', here's an example - a postmistress in a small N.Yorks village was murdered last year in what was said to be an armed robbery although her husband later stood trial and was convicted for her murder.

In the days following the news breaking, our local news featured many 'interviews' with village residents who were clearly shocked to the core, one of them more or less speaking for all when she said, "These thing just don't happen around here!"

[mr. mustard]

Originally Posted by maisymoo

They should kick out Quirke to EastComas where she belongs

Agreed.

Originally Posted by valtimmy

I think you mean Aaron not Jackson, hes dead!

Oops, I got my miseries mixed up

Originally Posted by Aida

Well, I certainly disliked Eli and Shadrach so wasn't at all sorry to see them go, but as you say, the unity of old is gone - at one time the entire remaining clan would have dropped everything to fly to Lisa and support her in her recent hour of need.

Charity seems to be isolated more than the rest. She's hardly been involved at all with what's happened to Aaron and is rarely seen with Debbie. At other times she seems close to Chas, but this occurs mainly when a raucous booze-up's on the agenda.

I wouldn't miss Cain, Chas or Charity if they left. Cain & Chas in particular have become dead wood. I still think there's potential for Zak & Lisa but they're probably too old to get a major storyline from the present writers.

[sheepiefarm]

Did anyone else think all the flowers being laid on the front lawn of Dale Head was a bit OTT

I mean, seriously - who does that.

Hell - even Jerry turned up with flowers.

It was all a bit Princess Diana

[valtimmy]

Originally Posted by sheepiefarm

Did anyone else think all the flowers being laid on the front lawn of Dale Head was a bit OTT

I mean, seriously - who does that.

Hell - even Jerry turned up with flowers.

It was all a bit Princess Diana

Yes I agree. Jerry's bouquet must have cost a bit. Did you see it? It was lovely.

[Aida]

Originally Posted by sheepiefarm

Did anyone else think all the flowers being laid on the front lawn of Dale Head was a bit OTT

I mean, seriously - who does that.

Hell - even Jerry turned up with flowers.

It was all a bit Princess Diana

It was absolutely ridiculous, Sheepie - where were all of these stricken flower-layers before St. Jackson the Misery died?

I suppose they might have been Facebook/Twitter 'grief-tourists' - they go in for that sort of thing, don't they?

[Beautiful_Harv]

Originally Posted by sheepiefarm

Did anyone else think all the flowers being laid on the front lawn of Dale Head was a bit OTT

I mean, seriously - who does that.

Hell - even Jerry turned up with flowers.

It was all a bit Princess Diana

i know, but thats what happens these days.
Everyones got to show that they are greiving more than the next person.

[lotty27]

Originally Posted by Beautiful_Harv

i know, but thats what happens these days.
Everyones got to show that they are greiving more than the next person.

Very true Harv! I see them tied to lamp posts etc all the time and it's amazing how much they can tie to them! Hubby think's they are our version of those little shrines you see on the side of the road in Mediterranean countries (except the shrines looks much prettier).




One thing that DID annoy me this week was the presence of Orangina at the engagement of David and Leyla, hanging around in the background like a bad smell and rolling her panda eyes as if nothing bad had ever happened. If you were those two would you have wanted that lying, cheating, manipulative little scumbag anywhere NEAR such an occassion after what she'd done?

And I also notice her foul behaviour has never been referred to again by either Val, Pollard or David so it looks like the little bitch has got of with it with no repercussions whatsoever even though David felt like he had to resign from the council because of the 'scandal'. Way to go ED - sends out a brilliant message to kids THAT does And let's face it, no matter what Jackanory they're trying to sell us - she went back because she knew which side her bread was buttered on NOT because she gives a monkey's about the Pollard's. And I have to say I'm very, very disappointed in Eric and the way he's just capitulated to Val's will on this one. Just when he was starting to look interesting again with a resurgence of his dark side, they've reverted him back to chef with stupid hat mode. What a criminal waste of a good actor.

SHE is MY major bugbear with ED. Everytime she's onscreen I have to resist the urge to kick my TV I might have to start fast forwarding her scenes. She behaves appallingly yet everyone pussy foots around her and she never has to face any real consequences of her actions - I just don't know what the hell ED are playing at or what message they're trying to send out

[Angela Channing]

Originally Posted by sheepiefarm

Did anyone else think all the flowers being laid on the front lawn of Dale Head was a bit OTT

I mean, seriously - who does that.

Hell - even Jerry turned up with flowers.

It was all a bit Princess Diana

I found it most peculiar like most of the goings on in Emmerdale of late!