[maisymoo]

Originally Posted by Aida

Because the writers have never actually lived in a Yorkshire village and have no idea what kind of people make up the population there, they'd probably be bored spitless to find that the majority of the population are mature and that activities and conversations often centre around such things as the planning of the next village fund-raiser/flower and veg show/fayre/WI or Mother's Union meeting, choral society, church flowers rota/next farmers' market/craft fair etc.

I'm not saying that there aren't 'kids' - there are - but they certainly don't figure as prominently as they do in 'Emmerdale' - and as for 'disaster after disaster', here's an example - a postmistress in a small N.Yorks village was murdered last year in what was said to be an armed robbery although her husband later stood trial and was convicted for her murder.

In the days following the news breaking, our local news featured many 'interviews' with village residents who were clearly shocked to the core, one of them more or less speaking for all when she said, "These thing just don't happen around here!"

Spot on all round Aida. Now I know that Soaps have to lay it on with a trowel in the disaster/murder/kidnapping/train-plane crash area but even in Soaps there should be some limits.
I have lived in the sticks for most of my life and have yet to see everyone in a village all come out at once. Or have visible boobies in every shop, pub, pavement, garage, house etc...
Mind you, one of the villages I lived in had a murder, two untimely accidental deaths, a fire, a struck off Doctor and a suicide in the surgery, a woman drummed out of the village, a druggy who ruined his family allin the space of 5 years most of the time it was gossip at the school gate and library, fetes, veg comps and inbreeding.
But no beauties. Maybe one smasher but not a model babe in every profession. They were all normal people who got dressed every day.

[Aida]

Originally Posted by enterfunnyname

New to thread, pretty intesting reading!

I want to see grandma Barton come to the village.

Also what happened to Joe Sugden, I know that he was written off screen but how and why?

Hi and welcome!

I'm a bit foggy on Joe Sugden, but I seem to remember that he became depressed after the night of the plane crash because his son (? I think) was killed at the farm while he was driving Annie and his stepfather (name escapes me) to the airport. Anyway, the stepfather was killed when the car got hit by a piece of the aircraft and Annie was in a coma for ages - once she recovered she went to live in Spain and Joe was more or less written out when he went to join her there for a holiday - it was later mentioned on-screen that he'd been killed in a car-crash and Annie returned for his funeral.

[Angela Channing]

Originally Posted by enterfunnyname

New to thread, pretty intesting reading!

I want to see grandma Barton come to the village.

Also what happened to Joe Sugden, I know that he was written off screen but how and why?

Hello & welcome enterfunnyname!


I recall Joe was killed offscreen in Spain? (I might be wrong)

[DuchessKitty]

Hazel was completely wrong in her reaction to Ashley IMO. He struggled with what we would say to her and do- he was clearly tortured about it but all Hazel couldn't even consider his position or beliefs.

What annoyed me about it was that he was sensitive and not cruel to her- yes, he had a moral objection to what had happened, but wasn't nasty about it. I think it's ridiculous that he would come in for such stick.

I also despised the manipulative, mawkish scene in which Aaron kept rewinding that video. It was so blatant in it's attempt to romanticise what had happened!

[wildyounghearts]

I am not unsympathetic to Hazel because I do genuinely believe she is brainwashed- she has just escaped a cult and can't think straight.....HOWEVER

Chas has a legitimate right to be upset- Hazel's legal advice aside Aaron would be at serious risk- he's on probation for assaulting the man he's now killed

Ashley is completely right to respectfully decline to conduct the ceremony- there doesn't appear to be much dispute on this thread about it even if he is attacked elsewhere- it is hard to think of a more fundamental tenant of Christianity is 'thou shalt not kill' - Ashley is entitled to his religious beliefs and they should be respected

I can't say how awful that video diary drivel was -I am sick of Aaron crying- it has lost all meaning at this stage- I am just singing 'cry me a river'

Nikhil appears to have made a welcome return- let's hope he stays

[lotty27]

TBH I just don't get the fuss regarding Ashley in the other thread Yes he can forgive, yes he can love his neighbour etc but why does that mean that he has to sacrifice his own principles and conduct the service? It's beyond me it really is. Ashley wasn't unkind to Hazel and her reaction was WAY too OTT. He's not saying Jackson won't get the service, just that HE won't be doing it but she never really gave him time to explain that did she? However I do think he has been very cowardly hiding from her.

Elsewhere Aaron repeating the 'I love you' bit on the video got right on my nerves. And it's ridiculous that it wasn't explained exactly what the laptop was doing there when it should be at the police station - vital evidence and all that. Are we meant to believe that they are copies being played on another laptop

[davey_wavey]

I loved the scenes with Ashley tonight. I thought it was great drama and the scene between him and Hazel was great. I think Hazel expected Ashley to be there for her no matter what and that's why she reacted in such an OTT manner. She's grieving, so she's only thinking of herself and she expects everyone to agree with what her and Aaron did, but in reality, everyone is going to have a different opinion on it. She jumped to conclusions with Ashley, automatically thinking that he hates her and doesn't care about her, and only cares about his beliefs, but I don't think that's true. Ashley still likes Hazel and can understand her grief for her son. He just believes that her actions in this instance were wrong.

Ashley needs to stand by what he believes in and there's nothing wrong in that. It's not like he's saying that she can't have the funeral in the village church! She can, it's just he will choose to not conduct it. She will still be allowed to have the perfect send off for Jackson.

[Aida]

Well, you must have expected it, Lotty - after all, 'Ashley' has long been a laughing-stock on one of the threads you frequent for no better reason than the bliddy scriptwriters never give him anything at all to do.

Of course, there's also a whole new thread dedicated to slagging him off, which, suprisingly, contains quite a lot of posts from forum members who feel that his decision was justified.

At the end of the day, I have to keep reminding myself that it's just fiction, but it's hard not to get incensed when 'Emmerdale' wheel out mawkish tosh like the total pail of sick which made up tonight's episode.

I am sick of the sight of the Quirke blubbering her way around the village like bliddy Mother Courage and looking wounded to her soul when folk don't pat her on the back and tell her how wonderful she is - and where did she find the brass neck to tell Chas that neither she nor the miserable goblin coerced 'Aaron' into becoming a conspiritor? Presumably she's forgotten stalking him around the village until he gave in to her pleading and her son's emotional blackmail.

I have never, ever hated a storyline more and felt like hurling stuff at the telly when Weepy Miller started doing his only trick along to the recording on the laptop which I, in my foolishness, believed that the police would have seized as evidence, but now seems to hold a 'special message' designed to be the main attraction at the funeral extravaganza 'Hazel' seems to think is her divine right to arrange!

God help us and save us! Is there no end to this cr@p?

[lotty27]

Originally Posted by Aida

Well, you must have expected it, Lotty - after all, 'Ashley' has long been a laughing-stock on one of the threads you frequent for no better reason than the bliddy scriptwriters never give him anything at all to do.

Of course, there's also a whole new thread dedicated to slagging him off, which, suprisingly, contains quite a lot of posts from forum members who feel that his decision was justified.

At the end of the day, I have to keep reminding myself that it's just fiction, but it's hard not to get incensed when 'Emmerdale' wheel out mawkish tosh like the total pail of sick which made up tonight's episode.

I am sick of the sight of the Quirke blubbering her way around the village like bliddy Mother Courage and looking wounded to her soul when folk don't pat her on the back and tell her how wonderful she is - and where did she find the brass neck to tell Chas that neither she nor the miserable goblin coerced 'Aaron' into becoming a conspiritor? Presumably she's forgotten stalking him around the village until he gave in to her pleading and her son's emotional blackmail.

I have never, ever hated a storyline more and felt like hurling stuff at the telly when Weepy Miller started doing his only trick along to the recording on the laptop which I, in my foolishness, believed that the police would have seized as evidence, but now seems to hold a 'special message' designed to be the main attraction at the funeral extravaganza 'Hazel' seems to think is her divine right to arrange!

God help us and save us! Is there no end to this cr@p?

BIB: Very true Aida. I should have known what would happen! I often wonder if the actor who plays Ashley is a part timer by mutual consent? He doesn't get much screen time that's for certain.

And although I have totally hated the lead up to Jackson's death (I think it was bloody irresponsible but no need to go over all that again) I AM enjoying watching the characters reactions to Jackson's death. Fascinating stuff and I do think they have got the balance right and I can totally see where they're going with all this now - 'act in haste, repent at leisure' and all that.

But yes I agree, Hazel had my sympathy a bit last week but now she is getting right on my nerves with her 'holier than thou' attitude.

[lotty27]

Originally Posted by davey_wavey

I loved the scenes with Ashley tonight. I thought it was great drama and the scene between him and Hazel was great. I think Hazel expected Ashley to be there for her no matter what and that's why she reacted in such an OTT manner. She's grieving, so she's only thinking of herself and she expects everyone to agree with what her and Aaron did, but in reality, everyone is going to have a different opinion on it. She jumped to conclusions with Ashley, automatically thinking that he hates her and doesn't care about her, and only cares about his beliefs, but I don't think that's true. Ashley still likes Hazel and can understand her grief for her son. He just believes that her actions in this instance were wrong.

Ashley needs to stand by what he believes in and there's nothing wrong in that. It's not like he's saying that she can't have the funeral in the village church! She can, it's just he will choose to not conduct it. She will still be allowed to have the perfect send off for Jackson.

Well said. Good post.

[wildyounghearts]

Originally Posted by Aida

Well, you must have expected it, Lotty - after all, 'Ashley' has long been a laughing-stock on one of the threads you frequent for no better reason than the bliddy scriptwriters never give him anything at all to do.

Of course, there's also a whole new thread dedicated to slagging him off, which, suprisingly, contains quite a lot of posts from forum members who feel that his decision was justified.

At the end of the day, I have to keep reminding myself that it's just fiction, but it's hard not to get incensed when 'Emmerdale' wheel out mawkish tosh like the total pail of sick which made up tonight's episode.

I am sick of the sight of the Quirke blubbering her way around the village like bliddy Mother Courage and looking wounded to her soul when folk don't pat her on the back and tell her how wonderful she is - and where did she find the brass neck to tell Chas that neither she nor the miserable goblin coerced 'Aaron' into becoming a conspiritor? Presumably she's forgotten stalking him around the village until he gave in to her pleading and her son's emotional blackmail.

I have never, ever hated a storyline more and felt like hurling stuff at the telly when Weepy Miller started doing his only trick along to the recording on the laptop which I, in my foolishness, believed that the police would have seized as evidence, but now seems to hold a 'special message' designed to be the main attraction at the funeral extravaganza 'Hazel' seems to think is her divine right to arrange!


God help us and save us! Is there no end to this cr@p?

Great post

[cazza3]

I wanted to slap Hazel silly tonight..

How dare she 'Throw her toys out the pram' at Ashley...she is getting as selfish as 'Her Boy' was.

Quite ironic that even in death Jackson is just expecting people to give into his demands...Hazel, Ashley, police, church.

and if i see Aron cry once more I think I will scream...

[porshacat]

I certainley didn't like the way Hazel took it for granted that Ashley would conduct the funeral service. Blithely drumming out the things 'her boy' wanted, hardly giving Ashley a moment to say anything. It was really annoying.

By the way. Putting the whole thing into perspective. I watched a man at the 'Dignitas' clinic in Switzerland take his life this evening, on BBC 2. It was incredibly moving, but yes dignified. I'm sure it will be available on iplayer :-

Terry Pratchett: Choosing to Die, BBC2

[mr. mustard]

Originally Posted by davey_wavey

I loved the scenes with Ashley tonight.

At least those scenes were a bit more involving than the rest of it. Of course, Ashley's perfect entitled to say no to what the Quirke wants him to do. For better or worse the church has certain rules and these often cause controversy. While there would be uproar if Ashley refused to marry a gay couple, in this instance most of the villagers will probably back him up. But the church ploughs on regardless and public opinion and 'progressive' liberalism shouldn't stop it from keeping its own moral compass. It's just lucky that burning heretics at the stake has stopped.

Like Aida, I too am sick of the Quirke's miserable fizzog. Aren't there any fatal drugs left over that she can swig down too?

Overall another weak episode, made worse by Sandy, still sounding like a constipated Dalek.

[Aida]

Originally Posted by mr. mustard

At least those scenes were a bit more involving than the rest of it. Of course, Ashley's perfect entitled to say no to what the Quirke wants him to do. For better or worse the church has certain rules and these often cause controversy. While there would be uproar if Ashley refused to marry a gay couple, in this instance most of the villagers will probably back him up. But the church ploughs on regardless and public opinion and 'progressive' liberalism shouldn't stop it keeping its own moral compass. It's just lucky that burning heretics at the stake has stopped.

Like Aida, I too am sick of the Quirke's miserable fizzog. Aren't there any fatal drugs left over that she can swig down too?

Overall another weak episode, made worse by Sandy, still sounding like a constipated Dalek.

Oh, I love 'Sandy' - he was such a fine actor in his prime and he's so wasted in Emmerdale! Actually, there's a lovely 'Edna' story there just begging to happen - nothing remotely salacious or sleazy, just a warm and companionable friendship in their golden years.

As for Ashley, as far as I know, gay couples can't be 'married' in church as they enter into a civil partnership agreement, but some also want to have a church blessing of their union - even though, like many couples nowadays, they're not churchgoers and just want an excuse for an extravagant party.

I've mentioned before that two of my friends are vicars and both of them have told me at various times in the past, how absolutely fed-up they get when the angry cry "How can you call yourself a Christian?" is thrown at them whenever they uphold some article of faith which goes again the wishes of the person who's demanding it should be relaxed just for them.

I had to get married in the Church of England because despite me and my family regularly attending mass, my parish priest refused to marry us because the hubba's parents are part of some barmy 'cult' church and he's never been baptised or confirmed, nor would he agree to be. I was disappointed, but I understood the priest's reasoning.

It's not so much the Quirke's miserable, 'suffering' face which is infuriating me - although it is - it's her absolute conviction that anyone who doesn't agree with her and what she's done is evil and wicked.

I was going to write a rant about the sheeplike stupidity of Aaron, but I can't be bliddy bothered - this foul storyline has been going on since last October and seems as if it's never going to go away and Aaron is never going to leave centre-stage - the rest of the increasingly stupid storylines have dwindled into being nothing but filler until we, the audience, can be hurried back to watch Miller cry - again - and again - and again - ad infinitum!

Gaaaarrrgggghhhhh!

[mr. mustard]

Originally Posted by Aida

Oh, I love 'Sandy' - he was such a fine actor in his prime and he's so wasted in Emmerdale!

I just wish he'd tone down the growl a bit Aida

[lotty27]

I'm a fan of Sandy too! I LOVE his big, booming voice and, to me, he's just another waste of a good actor which is happening so regularly in ED nowadays, particularly while they're worshipping at the altar of Danny Miller. And he actually said Aaron's name the way I pronounce it - 'Air-ron', I really don't like the way they say it on ED

Completely agree with what you say re Vicar's AIDA. People really do have the wrong idea about forgiveness and the Christian faith. It's not an all encompassing 'forgiving' faith without any repentance on the 'sinner's' part - something which was quite rightly highlighted in the 'Ashley' thread.

[Angela Channing]

Originally Posted by porshacat

I certainley didn't like the way Hazel took it for granted that Ashley would conduct the funeral service. Blithely drumming out the things 'her boy' wanted, hardly giving Ashley a moment to say anything. It was really annoying.

I had to turn it off,I felt Hazel was a complete bully to Ashley & it was a cases of her way or no way!

[sheepiefarm]

Some little things are niggling me.

Jackson bloody laptop for a start - that should still be in police custody - especially if they are gonna charge Aaron with Murder.

Last year Nicola had a storyline whereby she physically harmed a child - and yes. it went to a court case - and yet here we are having to believe this nonsense about her going for sole custody of Angelica

[ArtyAttack]

Originally Posted by Aida

Well, you must have expected it, Lotty - after all, 'Ashley' has long been a laughing-stock on one of the threads you frequent for no better reason than the bliddy scriptwriters never give him anything at all to do.

Of course, there's also a whole new thread dedicated to slagging him off, which, suprisingly, contains quite a lot of posts from forum members who feel that his decision was justified.

At the end of the day, I have to keep reminding myself that it's just fiction, but it's hard not to get incensed when 'Emmerdale' wheel out mawkish tosh like the total pail of sick which made up tonight's episode.

I am sick of the sight of the Quirke blubbering her way around the village like bliddy Mother Courage and looking wounded to her soul when folk don't pat her on the back and tell her how wonderful she is - and where did she find the brass neck to tell Chas that neither she nor the miserable goblin coerced 'Aaron' into becoming a conspiritor? Presumably she's forgotten stalking him around the village until he gave in to her pleading and her son's emotional blackmail.

I have never, ever hated a storyline more and felt like hurling stuff at the telly when Weepy Miller started doing his only trick along to the recording on the laptop which I, in my foolishness, believed that the police would have seized as evidence, but now seems to hold a 'special message' designed to be the main attraction at the funeral extravaganza 'Hazel' seems to think is her divine right to arrange!

God help us and save us! Is there no end to this cr@p?

Hazel has started to get on my nerves with her 'its what Jackson wanted' mantra and her statement that Aaron was all for this and Chas doesnt know her own son was complete nonsense on on her part. Both she and Jackson virtually forced Aaron to take part in this. Jackson threatened not to see him any more which was unbelievably selfish. Lets also remember that Hazel didnt even want Jackson doing the skydive.Aaron tried his best to make him see life was worth living to no avail.
But then Hazel decides she cant go through with killing her son and it is left to someone still vulnerable and only now recovering from his own suicide attempt to kill his boyfriend. I am just shocked Chas hasnt hit Hazel yet.

[Angela Channing]

Another point that I would make like to make is that Ashley made his comments in the privacy of his own home.

Had he gone up on the pulpit & publicly condemned Hazel to the lake that burns with sulpher it would be a different matter.

Its a sorry state of affairs if a person is not allowed to express their beliefs in the privacy of their own home.

The Happy Clappy Crowd would not doubt disagree with me

[wildyounghearts]

Originally Posted by sheepiefarm

Some little things are niggling me.

Jackson bloody laptop for a start - that should still be in police custody - especially if they are gonna charge Aaron with Murder.

Last year Nicola had a storyline whereby she physically harmed a child - and yes. it went to a court case - and yet here we are having to believe this nonsense about her going for sole custody of Angelica

of course that laptop would be in police custody

Aaron and his tearstick are driving me mental- he's been crying for a week now and we haven't even had the funeral yet

Nicola would never get sole custody- end of- entire storyline is a joke

[valtimmy]

Originally Posted by Aida

Well, you must have expected it, Lotty - after all, 'Ashley' has long been a laughing-stock on one of the threads you frequent for no better reason than the bliddy scriptwriters never give him anything at all to do.

Of course, there's also a whole new thread dedicated to slagging him off, which, suprisingly, contains quite a lot of posts from forum members who feel that his decision was justified.

At the end of the day, I have to keep reminding myself that it's just fiction, but it's hard not to get incensed when 'Emmerdale' wheel out mawkish tosh like the total pail of sick which made up tonight's episode.

I am sick of the sight of the Quirke blubbering her way around the village like bliddy Mother Courage and looking wounded to her soul when folk don't pat her on the back and tell her how wonderful she is - and where did she find the brass neck to tell Chas that neither she nor the miserable goblin coerced 'Aaron' into becoming a conspiritor? Presumably she's forgotten stalking him around the village until he gave in to her pleading and her son's emotional blackmail.

I have never, ever hated a storyline more and felt like hurling stuff at the telly when Weepy Miller started doing his only trick along to the recording on the laptop which I, in my foolishness, believed that the police would have seized as evidence, but now seems to hold a 'special message' designed to be the main attraction at the funeral extravaganza 'Hazel' seems to think is her divine right to arrange!

God help us and save us! Is there no end to this cr@p?

Very good post Aida, I agree with everything!

[valtimmy]

Originally Posted by ArtyAttack

Hazel has started to get on my nerves with her 'its what Jackson wanted' mantra and her statement that Aaron was all for this and Chas doesnt know her own son was complete nonsense on on her part. Both she and Jackson virtually forced Aaron to take part in this. Jackson threatened not to see him any more which was unbelievably selfish. Lets also remember that Hazel didnt even want Jackson doing the skydive.Aaron tried his best to make him see life was worth living to no avail.
But then Hazel decides she cant go through with killing her son and it is left to someone still vulnerable and only now recovering from his own suicide attempt to kill his boyfriend. I am just shocked Chas hasnt hit Hazel yet.

Yes I agree with you. I think that when Hazel couldn't do the deed, then Aaron should have walked out of the door instead of giving Jackson the drink. So what if Jackson never spoke to Aaron again over that. At least Aaron wouldn't be facing a court appearance and possible jail term for killing jackson.

[sheepiefarm]

Originally Posted by wildyounghearts

of course that laptop would be in police custody

Apparently the one that was used last night is a different colour - green as opposed to black (I'm colour blind so don't pick up on these things so readily )
So - on that basis - I presume we are now supposed to think that Jackson had two laptops - and these recordings were made on this one and hidden from the police before they did the deed.

Originally Posted by ArtyAttack

Hazel has started to get on my nerves with her 'its what Jackson wanted' mantra and her statement that Aaron was all for this and Chas doesnt know her own son was complete nonsense on on her part. Both she and Jackson virtually forced Aaron to take part in this. Jackson threatened not to see him any more which was unbelievably selfish. Lets also remember that Hazel didnt even want Jackson doing the skydive.Aaron tried his best to make him see life was worth living to no avail.
But then Hazel decides she cant go through with killing her son and it is left to someone still vulnerable and only now recovering from his own suicide attempt to kill his boyfriend. I am just shocked Chas hasnt hit Hazel yet.

This is pretty much how I see the situation.
18 months ago he was tampering with Carl Kings car brakes.
12 months ago he was in such an emotional mess he tried to kill himself.
I just can't buy into this notion - that somehow or other he's suddenly developed into this mature & reasoned young adult - a young man who is emotionally strong enough make the kind of decisions that he has, without allowing himself to be influenced in any way.

I see much talk about how Aaron has grown & matured - and it seems it has no other basis, other than he had the love of a "good man".
In reality - that relationship was shown to be practically self-destructive (for both of them).
How many times did Aaron have "re-adjust" his behaviour - because Jackson would dump him if he didn't.
Even right to the end - we saw that Aaron wasn't on board with the A/S - and only agreed to it, when Jackson threatened to dump him again!!

I sometimes wonder if I watched a different story to some people