This is the 2nd time asking for an extra £10 has won the task (Jedi Jim and the steak).
Every little helps
Every little helps
Asking for £410 and not £400 won the task
Huh? So Melody didnt haggle that guy up higher and agree to load his van for an extra tenner ....... which won the task.
If youre going to focus on one event, then tell me why Melody's haggling and agreeing to load the materials for an extra tenner played no part in winning.
If youre going to focus on one event, then tell me why Melody's haggling and agreeing to load the materials for an extra tenner played no part in winning.
Originally Posted by Zoltan Smith:
“This is the 2nd time asking for an extra £10 has won the task (Jedi Jim and the steak).
Every little helps”
“This is the 2nd time asking for an extra £10 has won the task (Jedi Jim and the steak).
Every little helps
”
Yes but you could point to any negotiation and say that £10 more or less would have won/lost the task.
You analysis is flawed because it would equally apply to someone who did absolutely nothing (or, worse, had stupidly lost them money on another part of the task) and happened to spot a £10 note in amongst the rubbish.
Originally Posted by Mystic Dave:
“It did show that you can add value - and in this case, it was shown because it made the difference.”
“It did show that you can add value - and in this case, it was shown because it made the difference.”
No, it didn't make the difference any more than any other £10.
if only Edna's sly attempt to get more money out of the Five Copper Cylinders Guy after the cleanup job was done had worked, huh! If he had caved and given them a £10 bonus then they'd have won and Edna would still be there. Imagine if he'd given them a £5 bonus so the eventual difference had been only £1 not £6!!!
Originally Posted by googleking:
“if only Edna's sly attempt to get more money out of the Five Copper Cylinders Guy after the cleanup job was done had worked, huh! If he had caved and given them a £10 bonus then they'd have won and Edna would still be there. Imagine if he'd given them a £5 bonus so the eventual difference had been only £1 not £6!!!”
“if only Edna's sly attempt to get more money out of the Five Copper Cylinders Guy after the cleanup job was done had worked, huh! If he had caved and given them a £10 bonus then they'd have won and Edna would still be there. Imagine if he'd given them a £5 bonus so the eventual difference had been only £1 not £6!!!”
No chance of that with Edna's 'listen to me as I try to con you' style of negotiating!
To be fair, with the difference being so small you could also blame the task win/fail on that scrap metal dealer and his "oh we don't count the half kg darling so that's just 20kg innit" or his approximation on the stainless steel sink with iron legs. He probably made a whole load of similar approximations for the other team that we just didn't see.
calm down people,dont think OP was making an indepth analysis jeez
yes OP you are right,if everything else stayed the same that 400 deal would have cost them the task.
yes OP you are right,if everything else stayed the same that 400 deal would have cost them the task.
On the flip side, imagine if Jim and Tom had arrived back at the builders 15 minutes later, to find another few bags of rubbish there - bags that added an extra £6.10 to their disposal costs!
Good point, at the time I thought it was a pointless negotiation but shows every deal deserves pushing
Everyone knows the task was won or lost by the completely random nature the way that guy who was buying the stuff off both teams was pricing it ..... (oh we round down to the nearest kilo, oh I reckon there is about 60 kg of iron and 40 kg of steel in that etc etc)
This task more than any other, you might as well have rolled a dice and asked if it was going to be 3 or lower ......
This task more than any other, you might as well have rolled a dice and asked if it was going to be 3 or lower ......
Originally Posted by Radical Joe:
“On the flip side, imagine if Jim and Tom had arrived back at the builders 15 minutes later, to find another few bags of rubbish there - bags that added an extra £6.10 to their disposal costs!”
“On the flip side, imagine if Jim and Tom had arrived back at the builders 15 minutes later, to find another few bags of rubbish there - bags that added an extra £6.10 to their disposal costs!”
What about that tiny bit of metal in the skip? They laughed about it, but that would have probably got them about six quid, hence they won the task!
Originally Posted by aussie_dave_:
“Everyone knows the task was won or lost by the completely random nature the way that guy who was buying the stuff off both teams was pricing it ..... (oh we round down to the nearest kilo, oh I reckon there is about 60 kg of iron and 40 kg of steel in that etc etc)
This task more than any other, you might as well have rolled a dice and asked if it was going to be 3 or lower ......”
“Everyone knows the task was won or lost by the completely random nature the way that guy who was buying the stuff off both teams was pricing it ..... (oh we round down to the nearest kilo, oh I reckon there is about 60 kg of iron and 40 kg of steel in that etc etc)
This task more than any other, you might as well have rolled a dice and asked if it was going to be 3 or lower ......”
Or to put it the other way, the supposed Zoe mistake and wisdom of Helen decisions are not as decisive as the show suggested. Zoe's mistake wasn't that serious, Helen's success may suggest a lot, but it needs some support in future weeks. The real value for Lord Sugar might lie in looking at all the detail - including looking at what Jim and Tom spent time doing, how Melody thinks, who was responsible for the builder contract, who did very little, and how Susan can't get an argument over.
He actually decided who went on those other terms and picked Edna because he didn't have confidence that she offfered anything he wanted, and he thought she offered what he didn't. On the other hand, Helen's abillity to negotiate the task decisions, and lead, may have made her a very strong contender - given what he saw in Chris after Chris gave far more suspect signs of being astute.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Or to put it the other way, the supposed Zoe mistake and wisdom of Helen decisions are not as decisive as the show suggested. Zoe's mistake wasn't that serious, Helen's success may suggest a lot, but it needs some support in future weeks. The real value for Lord Sugar might lie in looking at all the detail - including looking at what Jim and Tom spent time doing, how Melody thinks, who was responsible for the builder contract, who did very little, and how Susan can't get an argument over.
He actually decided who went on those other terms and picked Edna because he didn't have confidence that she offfered anything he wanted, and he thought she offered what he didn't. On the other hand, Helen's abillity to negotiate the task decisions, and lead, may have made her a very strong contender - given what he saw in Chris after Chris gave far more suspect signs of being astute.”
“Or to put it the other way, the supposed Zoe mistake and wisdom of Helen decisions are not as decisive as the show suggested. Zoe's mistake wasn't that serious, Helen's success may suggest a lot, but it needs some support in future weeks. The real value for Lord Sugar might lie in looking at all the detail - including looking at what Jim and Tom spent time doing, how Melody thinks, who was responsible for the builder contract, who did very little, and how Susan can't get an argument over.
He actually decided who went on those other terms and picked Edna because he didn't have confidence that she offfered anything he wanted, and he thought she offered what he didn't. On the other hand, Helen's abillity to negotiate the task decisions, and lead, may have made her a very strong contender - given what he saw in Chris after Chris gave far more suspect signs of being astute.”
I think that's true. The victory was so narrow that any little decision done differently might have changed it - it wasn't really down to strategy. (The £10 extra from the scrapman was the one that came to my mind, just as it did for the OP)
