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Old 12-06-2011, 13:25
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Does Casualty still go off for a bit in the Summer, or does that run all year round with no gap thesedays?
Casualty's last episode of the series will fall on 6th August 2011, that is, assuming it progresses without any further interuptions. It then usually returns on the 2nd Saturday in September, which will be the 10th September this year, meaning it will be taking a 5 week break compared to last years mere 2 week break.

Pretty awful night all around. I can understand ITV's logic in not starting any new shows this Saturday, because they obviously planned ahead and thought SYTYCD would be a success and probably achieve big figures for the final.

Decent for the lottery & Casualty, but the latter should be above 5m really. Just been looking at the BARB officials and out of the 3 soapy dramas (Waterloo Road, Holby & Casualty), Waterloo Road has been in first place in the officials for the last 4 weeks and topping 6m twice. Casualty should be doing better imo. Obviously it was slightly isolated in a rather poor schedule last night, but it should still be over 5m.
Bare in mind Holby City officials are meaningless as the Scottish opt-out is stripped out. Holby would be well ahead of both Casualty and Waterloo Road in the officials if it was networked.
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Old 12-06-2011, 13:42
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Interesting Mail article about RTEs use of audience figures
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...olar-trek.html
RTE (and TV3) have been publishing programme reach figures - the total numbers of viewers who watch at least 60 seconds of a programme - quite a bit.

In this case the Antartica documentary had a reach of 833k versus an average of 463k.

My own feeling is that reach is a good measure for long shows where people dip in and out (breakfast shows or the Royal Wedding coverage for example) but the as the article rightly points out for a 1 hour primetime programme the reach includes a lot of people who turned off pretty quickly.
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Old 12-06-2011, 13:44
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If any proof were needed that SYTYCD hasnt caught on it was yesterdays figures. No burst of curiosity to see the winner crowned (ironically the guy who won does have a bit of star quality and might have hoped for a bigger springboard), surely it cant be renewed-however everything dependant on what the BBC can produce in its place. If SYTYCD does reappear we can assume that the BBC's ideas cupboard and entertainment piggy bank are both empty.
As others have said ,BBC1's Saturday night line up is the default viewing. ITV gave up and had a dreadful night with BBC2 snapping at its heels. But overall very uninspiring all round and the BBC will once again presumably lead the way with Casualty and tired lottery formats.........and Barrowman in the coming months. Until late August that is when the hordes will stampede back to ITV1 for their next fix of X Factor.
Noticed in the Sunday Telegraph an interview with Lord Patten. I can see why he was positioned with the BBC Trust. It seems he hardly watched tv, only he is now making an effort because he has "got this job". He likes Scott and Bailey apparently which is good BBC fare . Basically its preparing the ground for the loss of a channel and a major sports contract, but he will fight tooth and nail for World Service and in particular the language services. I get the impression the last time Lord Patten watched tv regularly was when men with beards did complicated algebra on Open University programmes. He was still clever enough to say that nothing is definite and that many people liked sports to be on the BBC. However its clear where his own passions lie, and they arent championing mass viewing programmes and events. As a fan of the BBC he does not fill me with much confidence.
Have to say I would feel pretty isolated if I was fighting the corner for sport at the BBC. It needs someone with a bit of grit especially with Mark Thompson seemingly not a fan. All in all this drip drip hints and prompts regarding the cuts programme is getting pretty tiresome.
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Old 12-06-2011, 14:06
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I agree with Chris 1964 that BBC One only does well on Saturday nights when ITV is weak. Apart from Doctor Who and Strictly and MOTD, there is nothing I would watch on the channel on Saturday nights. ITV1 OTOH has a reasonable roster of shows like Take Me Out, BGT, Piers Morgan and An Audience With that I do like and so do millions more viewers than piffle like Don't Scare The Hare.
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Old 12-06-2011, 14:07
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Here's the reality series official averages so far this year and their rise or fall compared to last year:

BBC One
1 - 8.28m - The Apprentice*... (+4% vs 2010)
2 - 5.43m - MasterChef... (+19%)
3 - 3.32m - So You Think You Can Dance*... (-42%)

ITV1 (inc +1 in brackets)
1 - 10.53m (10.92m) - Britain's Got Talent... (-1/-5%)
2 - 8.33m (8.55m) - Dancing on Ice... (+1/+3%)
3 - 4.30m (4.49m) - The Biggest Loser... (*NEW*)

* currently airing so averages set to change

All ratings include HD. All individual episode ratings: http://i53.tinypic.com/30b07ed.jpg
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Old 12-06-2011, 14:24
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:Of course, all BAFTAs are a devalued currency given we now, shamefully, have "the BAFTA award-winning The Only Way is Essex".
Embarrassing Bodies also has a BAFTA

My favourite quote about Towie winning was from the male doctor in Embarrassing Bodies who said that his BAFTA for EB was now devalued by TOWIE winning.
He seems to think EB is public service broadcasting and not a freakshow.

Please can we make sure we use The Cube's correct title, its the "Bafta award-winning The Cube".

And has @Schofe tweeted about his latest ratings "success"?
silence is golden.
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Old 12-06-2011, 14:24
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Noticed in the Sunday Telegraph an interview with Lord Patten.
DT typo made me laugh
He signalled that either BBC 4 or BBC 4 could be lost, but stressed that he hadn't "issued a death sentence" over them yet.
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Old 12-06-2011, 14:29
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Still raining at the tennis, so BBC2 are staying with Moto GP for an extra race.
BBC2 will have the tennis final from 12.30pm Monday if no play today.
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Old 12-06-2011, 14:30
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They left it too late in the schedule IMO. It has been three weeks since the last show. If ITV had any thought then they couldve aired it on 29th May as.

7.00 - The Cube McFly Special
8.00 - Coronation Street
8.30 - Britian's Got Talent: Final Semi Final

and leave Scott & Bayley to begin the following week as part of the new line up.
S&B is a brand new show and deserved a leg up, The Cube has had 2 full series as either a leadin or leadout to the biggest show on tv.
ITV had to cut the apron strings at some stage.
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Old 12-06-2011, 14:35
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S&B is a brand new show and deserved a leg up, The Cube has had 2 full series as either a leadin or leadout to the biggest show on tv.
ITV had to cut the apron strings at some stage.
The Cube doesn't seem to be able to stand on its own feet. I call it falsely popular because it only gets a good audience when it's wedged between popular shows. People don't gravitate towards it in large numbers otherwise.
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Old 12-06-2011, 14:40
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They left it too late in the schedule IMO. It has been three weeks since the last show. If ITV had any thought then they couldve aired it on 29th May as.

7.00 - The Cube McFly Special
8.00 - Coronation Street
8.30 - Britian's Got Talent: Final Semi Final

and leave Scott & Bayley to begin the following week as part of the new line up.

The ratings last night also shows Who Dares Wins can cope when it's not against the Cowell machine since it was the second most watched show on the night. Also it set a new record by a team to give 40 items on a list.
No, because Scott & Bailey would have premièred a lot lower I think.

A lot of scheduling changes today:

BBC One
11:00 - The Politics Show
- originally 12:00
12:00 - Tennis: Queen's Update
12:05 - Country Tracks
- originally 11:00
13:05 - EastEnders
- originally 13:00
15:00 - as billed

BBC Two
12:30 - MotoGP: MotoGP Race
14:15 - MotoGP: 125cc Race
- normally screened behind Red Button
15:25 - Bargain Hunt's Famous Finds
15:55 - Great British Railway Journeys
16:25 - as billed, I think!

The fun and games are not over yet, raining over in Canada, BBC will be hoping there are no Red flags otherwise that will top the schedule on the head. Thankfully they could dump the Antiques Roadshow Compilation and go from F1 straight into Case Histories, if necessary.
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Old 12-06-2011, 14:54
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Here's the reality series official averages so far this year and their rise or fall compared to last year:

BBC One
1 - 8.28m - The Apprentice*... (+4% vs 2010)
2 - 5.43m - MasterChef... (+19%)
3 - 3.32m - So You Think You Can Dance*... (-42%)

ITV1 (inc +1 in brackets)
1 - 10.53m (10.92m) - Britain's Got Talent... (-1/-5%)
2 - 8.33m (8.55m) - Dancing on Ice... (+1/+3%)
3 - 4.30m (4.49m) - The Biggest Loser... (*NEW*)

* currently airing so averages set to change

All ratings include HD. All individual episode ratings: http://i53.tinypic.com/30b07ed.jpg
You forgot to tell Robbie that Britain's Got Talent's final ratings of 12.22m and 12.62m meaning that The Royal Wedding is still the most watched programme of the year.
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Old 12-06-2011, 15:08
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Here's the reality series official averages so far this year and their rise or fall compared to last year:

BBC One
1 - 8.28m - The Apprentice*... (+4% vs 2010)
2 - 5.43m - MasterChef... (+19%)
3 - 3.32m - So You Think You Can Dance*... (-42%)

ITV1 (inc +1 in brackets)
1 - 10.53m (10.92m) - Britain's Got Talent... (-1/-5%)
2 - 8.33m (8.55m) - Dancing on Ice... (+1/+3%)
3 - 4.30m (4.49m) - The Biggest Loser... (*NEW*)

* currently airing so averages set to change

All ratings include HD. All individual episode ratings: http://i53.tinypic.com/30b07ed.jpg
Thanks for these rzt. Some interesting figures. BGT almost flat y-o-y so ITV will be pleased with that after the panel changed this year. DoI did well to increase, if ever so slightly. 8m for 3 hours on a Sunday for 3 months of the year is something ITV can't afford to get rid of. MC did very well this year and it looks like TA is set for one of it's best series averages to date.
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Old 12-06-2011, 15:10
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The Cube was on at a silly time last night. If I wasn't a fan of McFly, I would have watched the Lottery until 9pm (I was watching it before the Cube then switched over) and then would have definitely watched Camelot from 9pm. Ice Age 2 was a bit random?
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Old 12-06-2011, 15:13
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The fun and games are not over yet, raining over in Canada, BBC will be hoping there are no Red flags otherwise that will top the schedule on the head. Thankfully they could dump the Antiques Roadshow Compilation and go from F1 straight into Case Histories, if necessary.
Good news if its raining there, the Beeb and F1 fans as a whole need a wet race and the chance of a McLaren win today to keep the drivers' contest alive.

Let's hope "Mr Perfect" skids into the gravel...

You forgot to tell Robbie that Britain's Got Talent's final ratings of 12.22m and 12.62m meaning that The Royal Wedding is still the most watched programme of the year.
Aye, but it was only 14m short overall/7m short of the BBC1-only figure.

Phew...

Of more interest, it means Sir Bruce Forsyth's SCD has a pretty low target to meet this year to beat it. Which it should do easily.
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Old 12-06-2011, 15:25
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Any predictions for Wimbledon this year, should Andy Murray reach his upper limit of the quarters? I'm going for 8 million on BBC One should this happen.
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Old 12-06-2011, 15:26
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Aye, but it was only 14m short overall/7m short of the BBC1-only figure.

Phew...

Of more interest, it means Sir Bruce Forsyth's SCD has a pretty low target to meet this year to beat it. Which it should do easily.
When has 12.62m ever been considered a low rating? I thinking saying it will beat is easily is probably not strictly true. SCD was extremely high last year so like TXF, I think they will both fall this year.
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Old 12-06-2011, 15:31
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So far this year Holby City has been shown as follows on BBC1 Scotland

4 episodes - Wednesday at 8:00
1 episode - Wednesday at 9.00
2 episodes - Tuesday at 10.35
3 episodes - Friday at 9.00
1 episode - Thursday at 8.00
2 episodes - Friday at 9.00
3 episodes - Thursday at 9.00
1 episode - Wednesday at 7.30
6 episodes - Friday at 8.30
Lol! It's the pub dartboard approach to scheduling.
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Old 12-06-2011, 15:36
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DT typo made me laugh
Yes quite! (All things considered its 50/50 on whether it was a typo or not )

Not quite sure how these things work or what qualifications are needed regarding being on the BBC Trust, but Lord Patten does not seem to have any connection at all with tv.
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Old 12-06-2011, 15:41
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From BBC Sport...

TENNIS: Covers off at Queen's. Andy Murray v Jo-Wilfried Tsonga final may start but not before 1600

Not a good day to be a scheduler. I suspect, however that BBC1's schedule is now locked however, it'd be pointless putting it on 4pm on BBC1 only to switch 35 minutes later.

I imagine it'll be on BBC Two if it starts. Not sure what time play can go onto though, would cause major problems if the F1 overran on BBC1.
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Old 12-06-2011, 15:46
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I think the first two episode of the new series are on last series' DVD but werent aired last year. All the left over episodes from when they filmed the 16 (or 20 I think it was) back-to-back will be aired this year.
Yeah, it's a bit complicated.

Last year's series ten had nine episodes. The first seven were shown on BBC One last summer. Episodes eight and nine are on the series ten DVD. Episode nine is being shown this Friday, and the following week's episode is the first of series eleven.

Not sure what's happening to episode eight of series ten. Maybe it'll be slotted in this summer, or perhaps, as you suggested the other day, held back for Christmas.
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Old 12-06-2011, 16:02
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Series 10 originally had 10 episodes planned - 9 normal and one Christmas special. Episodes 8 and 9 have not yet aired, but while Janey's Choice (10.9) will be broadcast this Friday, Harper vs Harper (10.8) hasn't been given a broadcast date yet; digiguide has 24th June's episode listed as A Night Out (11.1)

http://digiguide.tv/programme-detail...Family/Sitcom/

They're certainly keeping everyone guessing.
Ah, I didn't see this before my last post.

The production company's website says 22 half-hours were filmed. I know all those episodes were filmed between September 2009 and March 2010.

From what I can gather, nine for series ten, and nine for series eleven, making eighteen. Plus a further (equivalent of) four half-hours for Christmas slots. Two of those half-hours were joined together as one on Christmas Eve last year. As for the other (equivalent of) two half-hours, I don't know if they are intended for Christmas 2011 or if they were shown at Christmas 2009. The 2009 episode was (I think!) the dreadful one where Roger was just a head powered by electricity. From what I can remember, that was written as an hour-long episode, although it could possibly still count as two-half hours for commissioning purposes.

The giveaway as to whether the 2009 special was part of the 22-episode commission (or filmed with series 9) would be whether or not Alfie appeared in that episode, and I can't remember!

My head hurts now.

Shall we talk about McFly instead?
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Old 12-06-2011, 16:08
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Do certain programmes have a threshold that they don't seem to fall below? I notice Neighbours seems to be holding steady at 1.8 million and I reckon this will be the hard core fans who have watched it since it started in 1986. Research on here suggests the bulk of viewers are over 40, which would suggest these are long term fans. Also I reckon another Channel 5 purchase, Big Brother, seems to have a bottom threshold of about 2 million and I would say this is the audience that will follow it on Channel 5, again excellent for the channel and the show should turn in a reasonable profit.
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Old 12-06-2011, 16:12
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Do certain programmes have a threshold that they don't seem to fall below?

[SNIP]

Also I reckon another Channel 5 purchase, Big Brother, seems to have a bottom threshold of about 2 million and I would say this is the audience that will follow it on Channel 5,
Not really. And using Big Brother as an example, I remember that the "bottom threshold" was once believed to be 4m... then about 3.5m... then about 3m... now it's 2m...
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Old 12-06-2011, 16:16
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My head hurts now.

Shall we talk about McFly instead?
before returning to McFly, may I just thank Fudd for the fair its rained all day even if

Spoiler


ITV back to non Cowell propped figures, was the same all last year when his shows were not airing, why are people surprised?
I am not surprised


Any one have any idea how Winners and Losers is doing on 7 in Australia?
from Tuesdays episode

Rnk Title Stn Total Sydney Melbourne Brisbane Adelaide Perth
4 Winners & Losers Seven 1,323,000 306,000 527,000 197,000 128,000 165,000
BBC1 won every slot from 6am - 11.30pm yesterday. From Sam Hodges on Twitter.
I had a feeling people would go for BBC1 as the default channel, and this pretty much proves it. Must have been a dismal night for ITV1 then.
Whilst I think the BBC has the better year round scheulde, I thought this thread didnt like the BBC 1 = default chanel arguement?
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