Hope we get two sets of ratings today, let's call it a two for one. Don't think they'll be much to scream about regarding Saturday's figures, just the usual movement I think.
The Ratings Thread (Part 21)
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Sky Box Office to reshow last night's boxing for free to apologise for those unable to book due to "unprecedented demand on the night"...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14005228
(I would have thought many people by now know how to watch these sorts of things for free on t'internet, but then again perhaps many wanted to make a night of it with friends at home or in the pub rather than be crowded around a laptop).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14005228
(I would have thought many people by now know how to watch these sorts of things for free on t'internet, but then again perhaps many wanted to make a night of it with friends at home or in the pub rather than be crowded around a laptop).
Originally Posted by Joe40:
“Sky Box Office to reshow last night's boxing for free to apologise for those unable to book due to "unprecedented demand on the night"...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14005228
(I would have thought many people by now know how to watch these sorts of things for free on t'internet, but then again perhaps many wanted to make a night of it with friends at home or in the pub rather than be crowded around a laptop).”
“Sky Box Office to reshow last night's boxing for free to apologise for those unable to book due to "unprecedented demand on the night"...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14005228
(I would have thought many people by now know how to watch these sorts of things for free on t'internet, but then again perhaps many wanted to make a night of it with friends at home or in the pub rather than be crowded around a laptop).”
Another reason why PPV Boxing fails. Should have been on ITV1, with say this schedule:
ITV1
18:00 - ITV News
18:15 - You've Been Framed!
18:45 - Odd One In
19:30 - Penn and Teller: Fool Us
20:30 - The Marriage Ref
21:30 - The Big Fight Live
23:45 - ITV News
00:00 - The Choir that Rocks (R)
ITV4
19:00 - Tour De France 2011 Highlights
20:00 - The Big Fight Preview
21:30 - Police, Camera, Action! (R)
22:30 - Freddie Flintoff Versus The World (R)
23:45 - The Big Fight Review
00:30 - FILM: Lethal Weapon 3
...with a replay the following day on ITV1 at 4:30pm instead of another Midsomer Murders repeat.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Admittedly I haven't seen it in a while but the Doctors I remember should be able to hold its own in primetime. I do agree with you that, because of the BBC's approach to it so far, it'll be surprise if it gets a primetime slot now.”
“Admittedly I haven't seen it in a while but the Doctors I remember should be able to hold its own in primetime. I do agree with you that, because of the BBC's approach to it so far, it'll be surprise if it gets a primetime slot now.”
And to be fair ratings wise it probably wouldn't do much better at 6.30pm than it does at 1.45pm - around the 2m mark I'd guess. How does it do on BBC HD at 4pm, especially now that is a repeat of the BBC1 HD showing?
As for the boxing - it's exactly where it deserves to be for selling out to the US. Frank Warren moans virtually weekly that the BBC aren't interested in playing extortionate fees to show something at 3am in the morning.
David Haye got what was coming to him last night too after fixing his last fight - and bragging about it too - in any other sport he'd have been given a lengthy ban.
Originally Posted by Joe40:
“Sky Box Office to reshow last night's boxing for free to apologise for those unable to book due to "unprecedented demand on the night"...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14005228
(I would have thought many people by now know how to watch these sorts of things for free on t'internet, but then again perhaps many wanted to make a night of it with friends at home or in the pub rather than be crowded around a laptop).”
“Sky Box Office to reshow last night's boxing for free to apologise for those unable to book due to "unprecedented demand on the night"...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14005228
(I would have thought many people by now know how to watch these sorts of things for free on t'internet, but then again perhaps many wanted to make a night of it with friends at home or in the pub rather than be crowded around a laptop).”
Is it free for those that ordered and didn't get it or for all Sky customers?
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Is it free for those that ordered and didn't get it or for all Sky customers?”
“Is it free for those that ordered and didn't get it or for all Sky customers?”
All Sky customers.
A very big number from Germany.
Yesterday was the Fight between Haye and Klitschko and the rating on RTL was 15,50 Mio. for the Fight and this was a share from 67 %! In the age of 14-49 years old the rating was 7.5 Mio. with a share from 69.9 %.
Its's the 2nd biggest number last week. The Woman's World Cup Match from Thursday (Germany - Nigeria) had a rating from 16.39 Mio and a share from 51.7 %.
Yesterday was the Fight between Haye and Klitschko and the rating on RTL was 15,50 Mio. for the Fight and this was a share from 67 %! In the age of 14-49 years old the rating was 7.5 Mio. with a share from 69.9 %.
Its's the 2nd biggest number last week. The Woman's World Cup Match from Thursday (Germany - Nigeria) had a rating from 16.39 Mio and a share from 51.7 %.
Originally Posted by Samthefootball:
“When are we going to get some ratings?”
“When are we going to get some ratings?”
Hugely frustrating, and odd that we've had nothing, not even a tweet from the usual official sources about the Murray match peak on Friday.
Originally Posted by Lion_60:
“Its's the 2nd biggest number last week. The Woman's World Cup Match from Thursday (Germany - Nigeria) had a rating from 16.39 Mio and a share from 51.7 %.”
“Its's the 2nd biggest number last week. The Woman's World Cup Match from Thursday (Germany - Nigeria) had a rating from 16.39 Mio and a share from 51.7 %.”
Perhaps some of the terrestials might bid for this in the UK next time?
Still no Ratings yet might not even see them till tomorrow now then that will be 3 lots of days worth 
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“Perhaps some of the terrestials might bid for this in the UK next time?”
“Perhaps some of the terrestials might bid for this in the UK next time?”
That's an astonishing rating for that Women's World Cup match. I guess with it taking place in Germany, there's a big level of interest over there right now. Women's football matches wouldn't get anywhere near that sort of rating over here, but I think the England games would rate better than the 3m-odd that BBC1 and ITV1 have had in the 9pm slot recently, so as you say maybe something to think about for the terrestrial channels for Women's Euro 2013.
Originally Posted by Samthefootball:
“I wonder why it's taking so long for us to get some ratings”
“I wonder why it's taking so long for us to get some ratings”
Maybe all the usual sources are on holiday?
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Maybe all the usual sources are on holiday?”
“Maybe all the usual sources are on holiday?”
Hmmm, maybe, but I'm surprised I haven't seen a Murray peak figure bandied about anywhere.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Another reason why PPV Boxing fails. Should have been on ITV1, with say this schedule:”
“Another reason why PPV Boxing fails. Should have been on ITV1, with say this schedule:”
They'd have to box with giant foam hands of the Kenny Everett variety to get past Peter Fincham.
Although, judging from comments I've heard, maybe they did.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“They'd have to reformat the main news - possibly they could include a Panorama-like feature within in with an indepth investigative report every night and then a debate afterwards to take up a good quarter of an hour. The Regional News would more that hold up against Emmerdale IMO; it'd probably rate better than The One Show.
But the 6pm format is a winning one for the BBC as it is and The One Show doesn't disgrace itself at 7pm so will they look to change it?”
“They'd have to reformat the main news - possibly they could include a Panorama-like feature within in with an indepth investigative report every night and then a debate afterwards to take up a good quarter of an hour. The Regional News would more that hold up against Emmerdale IMO; it'd probably rate better than The One Show.
But the 6pm format is a winning one for the BBC as it is and The One Show doesn't disgrace itself at 7pm so will they look to change it?”
No they won't, but what's been suggested is of course Nationwide, which used to mix both national and regional news in the same show, although that was in the days when the news was the news - a straight read- and any type of news analysis would be the duty of current affairs, and the two departments were not only based in separate buildings, but also hated each other. People talk about needless duplication these days, in the past you'd get both news reporters and current affairs reporters at everything.
When The One Show started it was of course billed as Son of Nationwide, although it's not as topical as that. I'd like The One Show to be a bit more newsy, actually, rather than half a dozen items that could be on any night of the week. It doesn't have to be Panorama or anything.
I've said it before but Doctors did have a primetime run very early on, they repeated a few episodes at 7pm but it didn't do much. And if they did ever give it a regular primetime slot, it'd just weaken daytime.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Out of the terrestrial channels, only BBC2 has any variety at 7pm (when there's no cricket to air). I wish there was more variety, but I think Channel 4 and Channel 5 just burn off their PSB requirements as they have little hope of beating ITV1 (or BBC1), ITV1 don't want to change a winning formula and BBC1 don't want to risk something else at 7pm now The One Show is working for them.”
“Out of the terrestrial channels, only BBC2 has any variety at 7pm (when there's no cricket to air). I wish there was more variety, but I think Channel 4 and Channel 5 just burn off their PSB requirements as they have little hope of beating ITV1 (or BBC1), ITV1 don't want to change a winning formula and BBC1 don't want to risk something else at 7pm now The One Show is working for them.”
When Channel Five launched Live with Chris Moyles, Chris Evans, who of course produced it, said there were loads of men who didn't want to watch Emmerdale and this was aimed at them, which was a fairly decent suggestion. Unfortunately they didn't want to watch that either.
Primetime does begin much later, and certainly end much later, than it used to, in the past you'd get loads of new shows at 7pm or even earlier, the 1984 series of Doctor Who was at 6.40 on Thursdays and Friday for example, which would seem bizarre now. I've also got a Radio Times somewhere from the early eighties where people moan about them spending too much money on programming after ten o'clock when they were sat in front of their tellies at 5.30 wanting something. As a nation I think we get home from work later than we used to twenty or thirty years ago, and certainly go to bed later.
Originally Posted by rzt:
“That's an astonishing rating for that Women's World Cup match. I guess with it taking place in Germany, there's a big level of interest over there right now. Women's football matches wouldn't get anywhere near that sort of rating over here, but I think the England games would rate better than the 3m-odd that BBC1 and ITV1 have had in the 9pm slot recently, so as you say maybe something to think about for the terrestrial channels for Women's Euro 2013.”
“That's an astonishing rating for that Women's World Cup match. I guess with it taking place in Germany, there's a big level of interest over there right now. Women's football matches wouldn't get anywhere near that sort of rating over here, but I think the England games would rate better than the 3m-odd that BBC1 and ITV1 have had in the 9pm slot recently, so as you say maybe something to think about for the terrestrial channels for Women's Euro 2013.”
It is on a terrestrial channel! The BBC have the rights to it but decided, not doubt thanks to clashes with Wimbledon, to only put live games on the red button with highlights on BBC2. But theyve shown live women's football before, in Euro 2005 all the England games and the final were live on BBC2, 6pm kick-offs, and they showed live games in the last World Cup on daytime BBC2, and later BBC1.
But no, they wouldn't get more than three million in prime time, because women's football is still very much a minority sport. Look at the attendances at the grounds for a start. In Germany it's much more mainstream, loads more people play it and go to the grounds. Same as the Winter Olympics, it rates much better in other parts of Europe as the sports involved are more commonplace.
If women's football got good ratings, there would be way more of it, the rights cost next to nothing.
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“It is on a terrestrial channel! The BBC have the rights to it but decided, not doubt thanks to clashes with Wimbledon, to only put live games on the red button with highlights on BBC2.”
“It is on a terrestrial channel! The BBC have the rights to it but decided, not doubt thanks to clashes with Wimbledon, to only put live games on the red button with highlights on BBC2.”
I never said it wasn't already on a terrestrial channel (technically live matches this time aren't, really). One of the points I was making though was that the next major women's tournament (Euro 2013) won't be clashing against Wimbledon as it'll be in mid to late July, so there's greater incentive for a terrestrial channel to show England matches next time (if they qualify) because it'll be during a period when there's a lack of sport.
Quote:
“But theyve shown live women's football before, in Euro 2005 all the England games and the final were live on BBC2, 6pm kick-offs, and they showed live games in the last World Cup on daytime BBC2, and later BBC1.
But no, they wouldn't get more than three million in prime time, because women's football is still very much a minority sport.”
“But theyve shown live women's football before, in Euro 2005 all the England games and the final were live on BBC2, 6pm kick-offs, and they showed live games in the last World Cup on daytime BBC2, and later BBC1.
But no, they wouldn't get more than three million in prime time, because women's football is still very much a minority sport.”
I think the England matches would get more than 3m, actually. Perhaps not much more, but looking at the previous ratings: in 2005, England matches had 2.5m on BBC2 with 6pm kick-offs. So one would assume that on BBC1 or ITV1 they would automatically rate at least 25% higher, plus even better on top of that due to later 7.45pm kick-offs when more people are watching TV.
Quote:
“ Look at the attendances at the grounds for a start. In Germany it's much more mainstream, loads more people play it and go to the grounds. Same as the Winter Olympics, it rates much better in other parts of Europe as the sports involved are more commonplace.
If women's football got good ratings, there would be way more of it, the rights cost next to nothing.”
“ Look at the attendances at the grounds for a start. In Germany it's much more mainstream, loads more people play it and go to the grounds. Same as the Winter Olympics, it rates much better in other parts of Europe as the sports involved are more commonplace.
If women's football got good ratings, there would be way more of it, the rights cost next to nothing.”
Obviously generally there is low interest in women's football, and I have no doubt that the non-England matches would rate badly so of course those particular matches involving countries like Ukraine and Lithuania wouldn't be shown on the main channels (or even digital channels!). But we all know that hype is an important factor - most people don't care about tennis most year round, but a significant number of people will watch when there's British interest. No one cares about Bob Skeleton racing but millions watched a Briton when they had a chance of winning a medal during the last Winter Olympic Games. So I think the England matches would do decently if it was hyped up. I suppose 3-4m wouldn't be so great in primetime on BBC1/ITV1 although it would be more than what they have had in primetime on some days recently (Tuesdays for ITV1, Thursdays on BBC1). It's no big deal, but it'd be a cheap way to get some kind of sport on terrestrial TV at a time when schedules generally aren't great, especially in the odd-numbered years when there's no men's World Cup/Euros, which would attract decent demos.
Originally Posted by rzt:
“I think the England matches would get more than 3m, actually. Perhaps not much more, but looking at the previous ratings: in 2005, England matches had 2.5m on BBC2 with 6pm kick-offs. So one would assume that on BBC1 or ITV1 they would automatically rate at least 25% higher, plus even better on top of that due to later 7.45pm kick-offs when more people are watching TV.”
“I think the England matches would get more than 3m, actually. Perhaps not much more, but looking at the previous ratings: in 2005, England matches had 2.5m on BBC2 with 6pm kick-offs. So one would assume that on BBC1 or ITV1 they would automatically rate at least 25% higher, plus even better on top of that due to later 7.45pm kick-offs when more people are watching TV.”
I don't think 4m in primetime is enough to justify it being on BBC1 or ITV1. However politically incorrect it may be, the fact is as a spectator sport the interest just isn't there in womens football in the UK for it too warrant such mainstream coverage.
Talking of womens sport any idea what the highest rating was for womens tennis was at Wimbledon this year. I would assume it would either be for the final or for a match as people waited for Murray. Would be interesting to see how the Womens US Open Golf rates in comparison to Sky's usual golf coverage too.
The big rating was only because of the german team. Our FA and some parts of the media hype the World Cup to hell.
Here are some other ratings and shares. All numbers are from all viewers.
Sunday:
Nigeria - France: 3,21 Mio. (19,9%) - same time as Formula 1
Germany - Canada: 14,09 Mio. (58%)
Monday:
Japan - New Zealand: 2,48 Mio. (25,7%)
Mexiko - England: 3,72 Mio. (21,6%)
Tuesday:
Columbia - Sweden: 2,5 Mio. (23,3%)
USA - North Korea: 4,71 Mio. (25,9%)
Wednesday:
Norway - Äquatorial Guinea: 2,65 Mio. (23,2%)
Brasil - Australia: 5,4 Mio. (25,3%)
Thursday:
Canada - France: 4,62 Mio. (23,3%)
Friday:
Japan - Mexiko: 2,17 Mio. (19,6%)
New Zealand - England: 4,14 Mio. (22,1%)
Saturday:
North Korea - Sweden: 2,52 Mio. (19,4%)
USA - Columbia: 3,41 Mio. (17,4%)
Here are some other ratings and shares. All numbers are from all viewers.
Sunday:
Nigeria - France: 3,21 Mio. (19,9%) - same time as Formula 1
Germany - Canada: 14,09 Mio. (58%)
Monday:
Japan - New Zealand: 2,48 Mio. (25,7%)
Mexiko - England: 3,72 Mio. (21,6%)
Tuesday:
Columbia - Sweden: 2,5 Mio. (23,3%)
USA - North Korea: 4,71 Mio. (25,9%)
Wednesday:
Norway - Äquatorial Guinea: 2,65 Mio. (23,2%)
Brasil - Australia: 5,4 Mio. (25,3%)
Thursday:
Canada - France: 4,62 Mio. (23,3%)
Friday:
Japan - Mexiko: 2,17 Mio. (19,6%)
New Zealand - England: 4,14 Mio. (22,1%)
Saturday:
North Korea - Sweden: 2,52 Mio. (19,4%)
USA - Columbia: 3,41 Mio. (17,4%)
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“I don't think 4m in primetime is enough to justify it being on BBC1 or ITV1. However politically incorrect it may be, the fact is as a spectator sport the interest just isn't there in womens football in the UK for it too warrant such mainstream coverage.
Talking of womens sport any idea what the highest rating was for womens tennis was at Wimbledon this year. I would assume it would either be for the final or for a match as people waited for Murray. Would be interesting to see how the Womens US Open Golf rates in comparison to Sky's usual golf coverage too.”
“I don't think 4m in primetime is enough to justify it being on BBC1 or ITV1. However politically incorrect it may be, the fact is as a spectator sport the interest just isn't there in womens football in the UK for it too warrant such mainstream coverage.
Talking of womens sport any idea what the highest rating was for womens tennis was at Wimbledon this year. I would assume it would either be for the final or for a match as people waited for Murray. Would be interesting to see how the Womens US Open Golf rates in comparison to Sky's usual golf coverage too.”
Often there is little interest in men's football also, take for example the Europa League Football Final which rated only 1.2 million viewers in primetime. Sky Sports 1 Premier League matches rate around 1.3 million on a Monday night. There is very little interest in women's sports here - whereas Germans love male/female football and handball involving their own country - call it patriotism if you will. I would imagine a lot more German females themselves actually enjoy watching sports - whereas here the tv soaps could have a wider interest to many viewers.
Tuesday England play Japan, depending on results they could meet Germany next week. That would bring massive ratings in Germany, BBC2 ought show it if possible.
We will have a glut of Wimbledon ratings on Monday, the Ladies' final was a pretty brief affair so ratings ought be good, there was less chance for people to have gotten bored and switched over. Sharapove must have been a clear favourite and viewers would have stuck with the match to witness an upset.
This seems to be pin-pointed in the schedule very early, even though it would obviously air after the semi-final or final, but ITV have a Beyonce special for the slot this year.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/ne...c-special.html
And I'm sure it's been mentioned but in confirming the switch to Wembley Arena it has been confirmed the final will be on the 10th/11th December. So based on previous years of 10 weeks of live shows, a weekend each for Bootcamp and Judges Houses and auditions over 5 weeks (with episode 6 on a Sunday) The X Factor would begin 20th August - although I'd personally delay it a fortnight and have three weekends of shows from 3rd September.
FOX are apparently airing a "sneak peak" of the US version at 8pm on 12th July before an All Star baseball game, but not sure what format that preview is taking.
http://www.tvguide.com/News/XFactor-...e-1034922.aspx
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/ne...c-special.html
And I'm sure it's been mentioned but in confirming the switch to Wembley Arena it has been confirmed the final will be on the 10th/11th December. So based on previous years of 10 weeks of live shows, a weekend each for Bootcamp and Judges Houses and auditions over 5 weeks (with episode 6 on a Sunday) The X Factor would begin 20th August - although I'd personally delay it a fortnight and have three weekends of shows from 3rd September.
FOX are apparently airing a "sneak peak" of the US version at 8pm on 12th July before an All Star baseball game, but not sure what format that preview is taking.
http://www.tvguide.com/News/XFactor-...e-1034922.aspx
I assume that in keeping with the All Star Game, singers from the National Leauge, will take on singers from the Amercian League, in a battle to decide who will have song choice advantage in the final.
I think that will air on Sunday 4th December at 9pm then. I would be surprised if it aired on the Saturday, as I can see them keeping the same I'm a Celebrity format as they did last year, with the Saturday final.
Edit @ 16:44 - not the longest Wimbledon final ever, but should deliver a nice ~6/7m peak for BBC1. Can't see it being over 10m though, or near that.
Edit @ 16:44 - not the longest Wimbledon final ever, but should deliver a nice ~6/7m peak for BBC1. Can't see it being over 10m though, or near that.
Friday 1st July 2011
BBC One
13:45 - Wimbledon 2011: 6.09m (44.1%)
* 15-minute peak: 9.29m (42.1%)
20:30 - BBC Regional News: 2.98m (14.2%)
21:00 - My Family: 4.31m (20.9%)
21:30 - Miranda: 3.63m (17.9%)
22:45 - The Graham Norton Show: 3.40m (24.0%)
BBC Two
19:00 - The One Show: 1.33m (6.3%)
* all time low
20:00 - Today at Wimbledon: 971k (4.6%)
21:00 - The Kennedys: 1.32m (6.4%)
21:45 - The Kennedys: 1.25m (6.5%)
ITV1
20:00 - Love Your Garden: 3.26m (15.5%)
* +1: 166k
21:00 - Paul O'Grady Live: 2.93m (14.3%)
* +1: 119k
Channel 4
20:00 - Come Dine with Me: 1.08m (5.1%)
* +1: 341k
21:00 - 8 Out of 10 Cats: 1.39m (6.7%)
* +1: 334k
21:30 - King of...: 823k (4.1%)
* +1: 138k
22:00 - Alan Carr's Chatty Man: 1.30m (7.5%)
* +1: 260k
Five
20:00 - Eddie Stobart: Trucks and Trailers: 1.41m (6.7%)
21:00 - Castle: 1.28m (6.3%)
Primetime Shares
BBC One - 26.6%
ITV1 - 19.3% (+1: 0.7%)
BBC Two - 5.6%
Channel 5 - 4.9%
Channel 4 - 4.8% (+1: 1.0%)
Source: DS. Ratings include HD and are tape-checked.
BBC One
13:45 - Wimbledon 2011: 6.09m (44.1%)
* 15-minute peak: 9.29m (42.1%)
20:30 - BBC Regional News: 2.98m (14.2%)
21:00 - My Family: 4.31m (20.9%)
21:30 - Miranda: 3.63m (17.9%)
22:45 - The Graham Norton Show: 3.40m (24.0%)
BBC Two
19:00 - The One Show: 1.33m (6.3%)
* all time low
20:00 - Today at Wimbledon: 971k (4.6%)
21:00 - The Kennedys: 1.32m (6.4%)
21:45 - The Kennedys: 1.25m (6.5%)
ITV1
20:00 - Love Your Garden: 3.26m (15.5%)
* +1: 166k
21:00 - Paul O'Grady Live: 2.93m (14.3%)
* +1: 119k
Channel 4
20:00 - Come Dine with Me: 1.08m (5.1%)
* +1: 341k
21:00 - 8 Out of 10 Cats: 1.39m (6.7%)
* +1: 334k
21:30 - King of...: 823k (4.1%)
* +1: 138k
22:00 - Alan Carr's Chatty Man: 1.30m (7.5%)
* +1: 260k
Five
20:00 - Eddie Stobart: Trucks and Trailers: 1.41m (6.7%)
21:00 - Castle: 1.28m (6.3%)
Primetime Shares
BBC One - 26.6%
ITV1 - 19.3% (+1: 0.7%)
BBC Two - 5.6%
Channel 5 - 4.9%
Channel 4 - 4.8% (+1: 1.0%)
Source: DS. Ratings include HD and are tape-checked.
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