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Can anyone recall why Survivor was never a hit here?
Was it because of the success of Big Brother, which at the time was a massive hit, more so then The X Factor is now. Series 2 stuck with a weekly slot (usually 9.45pm on Wednesday after the football) with an eviction interview after the news (this time with the same host). Quote:
I know it was isolated yesterday but it's clear that The Cube can't hold up on its own. The last two celebrity specials aired with no TXF support and they averaged 3.8m/3.9m. I think the show's best left in the Sunday 7pm slot as it means it's not right in the middle of primetime, and it seems to do okay there where it averages more than how the slot usually does this time of the year. But it's not capable of doing well by itself at 8/9pm so they ought to stop doing it in the future.
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Does Casualty still go off for a bit in the Summer, or does that run all year round with no gap thesedays?
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Comparing Camelot to Pillars of the Earth.
POTE made number two spot in C4's officials for its premiere with 2.54m. It was then 12th, then 22nd. Never to be seen again!! Good to see Camelot came in above 2m for them last night, and a good move to start with a double bill as the first hour was rather slow and it took some time to get into (and disassociate it with Merlin), so I suspect if the second episode hadn't aired until next week they'd have been a bit of a drop. Indeed any news yet on the split for the 9pm/10pm hour? |
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Whilst I think the BBC has the better year round scheulde, I thought this thread didnt like the BBC 1 = default chanel arguement?
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Survivor only achieved 4 million in its slot, very low 10 years ago, but the idea of a remote location and a jungle reaped its rewards when IACGMOOH replaced it the following year and has continued to be a hit. It is odd that Survivor continues to be a big hit in America, but here it is a little remembered early reality show.
ITV1's next attempt to upstage BB did equally badly, when Celebrity Love Island came off worst and even a name change couldn't save it the following year. Also this was a summer when three reality shows were shown at once- Only Fools On Horses, which stiffed, Love Island and BB. |
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Normally Yes, but when SYTYCD wins its slot, you know the opposition is bad.
Also its a succesful format elsewhere. Quote:
Also this was a summer when three reality shows were shown at once- Only Fools On Horses, which stiffed, Love Island and BB.
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Fine it won the slot due to poo competition so its not possible those 3.45m viewers actually enjoy the show, is it out of line with previous ratings?
Also its a succesful format elsewhere. I dont recall that one However, if you look at ITV1's record in reality programming, and not including talent and singing contests, IACGMOOH has been their only long running hit, with shows like Hell's Kitchen and Celebrity Fit Club falling by the wayside. It does seem now reality of the Z list celebs in unusual locations is more the preserve of ITV2 and even they seem to be moving on from it. |
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Fine it won the slot due to poo competition so its not possible those 3.45m viewers actually enjoy the show, is it out of line with previous ratings?
Also its a succesful format elsewhere. I dont recall that one Poor night from BBC1 and ITV1. Casualty's figure seems low when looking at the opposition. ITV1 had a nightmare and it will continue until the end of August probably! It's a slight shame; Penn and Teller deserves to get good figures going on the very entertaining pilot. Oh, and it's raining in Canada which should make the Formula One interesting! And should also see a boost in rtaings, I would've thought - everyone loves a wet race.
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Only Fools on Horses - I think it was a Sports Relief spin off where a bunch of celebrities had to train as showjumpers.
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Basically yes - but not so much down to BB itself but ITV trying to replicate the BB scheduling with it's scheduling of Survivor, a show which is designed to air once a week - not four times a week with filler interview episodes with a different host - plus the fact Big Brother was raking in the revenue from voting and ITV wanted a piece of that.
Series 2 stuck with a weekly slot (usually 9.45pm on Wednesday after the football) with an eviction interview after the news (this time with the same host). As you say, the second series was all on one night, and the eviction interviews were done at the same time as their eviction (in the first series they were studio based and recorded months later). Ridiculously, the ITV2 spin-off was also on the same night, both 10.45 -11.05 during the news, then 11.35-1.05 after it, so you had nearly three and a half hours of it all in one lump. Who was going to watch that? But it flopped mostly because it was very dull, really, I don't think anyone bought into a show filmed months ago miles away, especially one which they had no say over. It's like people didn't like the idea of Fame Academy as they had little say over what happened. It's remarkable to think how successful the original Popstars was when there were no opportunities to join in at all, that would be unthinkable now. It was also really boringly presented as well, Mark Austin was such a tedious host and it took itself far, far too seriously. It was just relentlessly humourless. * The best bit of the whole thing was after the first show, Heat did a big bit about how Nick was a brilliant contestant and was going to be the man we'd love to hate all summer and his antics were going to be well worth watching, based on the preview tape of the first episode they'd received... which clearly didn't include the bit where he was the first to be voted out. |
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Only Fools on Horses - I think it was a Sports Relief spin off where a bunch of celebrities had to train as showjumpers.
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I always thought the lack of interactivity is what killed Survivor, but it doesnt hurt the Apprentice.
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I always thought the lack of interactivity is what killed Survivor, but it doesnt hurt the Apprentice.
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About what I expected for SYTYCD's finale. At least it beat ITV1, so not a total disaster for what is likely to be its final instalment. Quote:
Saturday 11th June Overnights
ITV1 19:00- Ice Age: the Meltdown: 3.06m (16.0%) , +1: 189k (0.9%) Quote:
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21:00- Camelot: 2.24m (10.9%) , +1: 299k (1.9%) Quote:
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22:00- Law and Order: Special Victims Unit: 1.21m (6.3%)
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I always thought the lack of interactivity is what killed Survivor, but it doesnt hurt the Apprentice.
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Saturday 11th June Overnights
BBC One 19:15- So You Think You Can Dance: The Final Live: 3.45m (18.1%) 20:20- The National Lottery: Who Dares Wins: 4.61m (21.6%) 21:10- Casualty: 4.76m (21.6%) 22:00- So You Think You Can Dance: The Final Results: 3.39m (16.9%) ITV1 19:00- Ice Age: the Meltdown: 3.06m (16.0%) , +1: 189k (0.9%) 20:40- The Cube Celebrity Special: McFly: 3.09m (14.0%) , +1: 180k (0.9%) 21:55- Batman Begins: 1.57m (10.8%) , +1: 156k (1.8%) Channel 4 18:45- Sahara: 1.47m (7.6%) , +1: 257k (1.2%) 21:00- Camelot: 2.24m (10.9%) , +1: 299k (1.9%) Channel 5 19:05- NCIS: 765k (4.1%) 20:00- CSI: Grissom's Greatest: 813k (3.9%) 21:00- CSI: NY: 1.05m (4.8%) 22:00- Law and Order: Special Victims Unit: 1.21m (6.3%) Ratings include HD and are tape-checked |
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Though that was C4 wasting their best drama in years against The X Factor. Good to see Camelot came in above 2m for them last night, and a good move to start with a double bill as the first hour was rather slow and it took some time to get into (and disassociate it with Merlin), so I suspect if the second episode hadn't aired until next week they'd have been a bit of a drop. Indeed any news yet on the split for the 9pm/10pm hour? Wonder why C4 don't do repeats during the week to build up the audience? Perhaps they can't afford multiple showings? |
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Sahara was below what it deserved. I knew Ice Age 2 (over exposure) & The Cube would be low, partially due to the celeb format. A night of repeats for C5 didn't deserve any more.
2) S.V.U. was a new episode on Channel 5. The remainder of the crime dramas were repeats, and held up very well IMO, especially CSI: NY. 3) Why did Sahara deserve more in your eyes than C5's crime drama repeats when Sahara was also a repeat, shown as recently as March on Film4?
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I think ITV could end up really struggling on Saturdays this Summer. Putting 3 new/new-ish shows back to back doesn't work and they need an anchor for the schedule. Even if they just put Best of TV Burp episodes in at 7:30pm it would be an improvement, and YBF could play before it. Something like Family Fortunes or Mr & Mrs that could pull in 4m+ would be helpful too. In June 2009 Mr & Mrs averaged 4m in the overnights without BGT so I'm surprised they've axed it as it could have filled the Summer months reasonably well. The they could also introduce a new show alongside it and flesh out the schedule from there. At the moment they've got Odd One In which flopped last year, Penn and Teller: Fool Us which has aired all of one episode before in January and The Marriage Ref which is completely new. Something like this would be better for them (and no more expensive): 18:30 YBF, 19:30: Best of TV Burp, 20:00 Mr & Mrs/Family Fortunes. 21:00 Marriage Ref
Fool Us could be saved for Autumn/Winter to air alongside some bigger shows, whilst Odd One In would be axed. That schedule took me all of 5 minutes to think up and I'm confident ITV's primetime share would be better than it will be on Saturdays this Summer. I think YBF and Penn and Teller will be the only shows above 3m next Saturday. Marriage Ref is completely new and will have a low lead in and the concept is hardly thrilling, and Odd One In will flop again. Fool Us should be above 3m due to the big names involved but it's against Who Dares Wins, will have a rubbish lead in and isn't an established show. I think it'll get similar figures to The Cube last night. The schedule will do reasonably well with 16-34s (probably why Odd One In is back) but I don't really think that's enough. |
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1) Ice Age 2 has NOT been overexposed. As my records show it has not been aired on ITV1 since at least December 2009.
2) S.V.U. was a new episode on Channel 5. The remainder of the crime dramas were repeats, and held up very well IMO, especially CSI: NY. 3) Why did Sahara deserve more in your eyes than C5's crime drama repeats when Sahara was also a repeat, shown as recently as March on Film4? ![]() I watched Sahara and really enjoyed the silliness of it, it had the feel of National Treasure meets Indiana Jones - I thought it would give a decent lead in for Camelot, personally I hadn't seen it before, so based on enjoyment & quality it deserved more. As far as I can recall Film4 does not rate that well (1.2% audience share - May 2011) - even though they show decent films. |
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I really think ITV isn't that bothered about the period between the Cowell shows. They still have the two soaps to tide them over and this is usually the time when they show low budget shows and old films.
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I really think ITV isn't that bothered about the period between the Cowell shows. They still have the two soaps to tide them over and this is usually the time when they show low budget shows and old films.
This has been the case long before Cowell came onto the scene. |
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Any one have any idea how Winners and Losers is doing on 7 in Australia?
Episode 1 - 1.61m Episode 2 - 1.57m Episode 3 - 1.42m Episode 4 - 1.39m Episode 5 - 1.39m Episode 6 - 1.22m Episode 7 - 1.24m Episode 8 - 1.33m Episode 9 - 1.37m Episode 10 - 1.41m Episode 11 - 1.31m Episode 12 - 1.32m Episode 13 - To Be Broadcast |
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So the tennis is a washout, thankfully F1 is finally underway despite the heavy rain- Hamilton just been taken out, the power of water is incredible at times - trying to wreck BBC1 schedules!!
![]() Hoping James May does well tonight on BBC2, I think F1 will hold on to a decent audience share, will it beat The Royal on ITV1 though? Popstar to Operastar ought beat the best of Antiques Roadshow. Can Case Histories pip Scott & Bailey this week? C4 and C5 taking the double movie option again tonight for primetime - saves money I guess. There are some decent programmes on tonight, much better than Saturday - with the rain can see 25+ million watching tv tonight at peak - and several shows getting higher than expected figures. |
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Thanks to Charnham for last weeks rating. Quote:
Very well. In full:
Episode 1 - 1.61m Episode 2 - 1.57m Episode 3 - 1.42m Episode 4 - 1.39m Episode 5 - 1.39m Episode 6 - 1.22m Episode 7 - 1.24m Episode 8 - 1.33m Episode 9 - 1.37m Episode 10 - 1.41m Episode 11 - 1.31m Episode 12 - 1.32m Episode 13 - To Be Broadcast
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Thanks to Charnham for last weeks rating.
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no problem, Dancc making me look bad on the other hand, big problem.
Well it was nice to see the city breakdowns on yours
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