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The Ratings Thread (Part 21)
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rzt
12-06-2011
Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
“Hoping James May does well tonight on BBC2, I think F1 will hold on to a decent audience share, will it beat The Royal on ITV1 though?”

Given that last year's Canadian Grand Prix averaged 5.2m, and that was broadcast an hour earlier, with weather not as bad as tonight and generally F1 ratings have been up y-o-y in 2011, I think it'll have a fantastic average, certainly beating The Royal by a good margin when head-to-head especially as that period is going to be the second-half of the race when the audience usually peaks.

Edit: maybe not now that the race has temporarily stopped.

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“ Can Case Histories pip Scott & Bailey this week?”

Scott & Bailey ought to be ahead, considering Case Histories probably won't rate as well as last week's opener (5.4m). I think Scott & Bailey's experienced its biggest drop for episode 2 and it should stabilise around the high 5's/low 6's from now on, which I can't see Case Histories matching.
Glenn A
12-06-2011
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“ITV will be well aware that all you need is a heatwave and suddenly the entire schedule is dented. It isn't worth airing expensive programming on Saturdays in July & August.

This has been the case long before Cowell came onto the scene.”

Of course, going back a few decades they used to show imported mini series that would attract a reasonable audience, seaside special variety shows and oldish films. The BBC usually had the get out clause of test match cricket( yawn), Wimbledon, golf, cricket and whatever major athletics meeting was on to fill their schedule.
rzt
12-06-2011
I'm no F1 expert but with 48 laps left in the race, and each lap taking about ~2 mins (?), it looks almost certain that the F1 will overun. If say, the actual race finishes about 20:10 and obviously a bit of time after that has to be dedicated to post-race filler stuff and seeing the presentation ceremony, I wonder what the BBC will do regarding their schedule - will they just drop Antiques Roadshow (currently scheduled for 20:15) and have F1 running all the way till 9pm with a lot of post-race filler during the 8pm hour or will they keep Antiques Roadshow in the schedule but starting 15-20 mins later than billed which will also have a knock-on effect on what time Case Histories begins?
Dancc
12-06-2011
I see Channel 4 are looking to take advantage of no Antiques Roadshow on Sundays from next week by airing repeats of Four Rooms. Can't see that working!
grahamzxy
12-06-2011
F1 stopped due to torrential rain, there are 45 laps remaining, so AR will be running late - they could have edited versions available - ie cut 10-15 minutes easily, or even put a 30 minute replacement programme in its place. - so Case Histories does not start late.

They may cut the post race waffle with Jake, David and Eddie to keep disruption to a minimum.
Dancc
12-06-2011
They could show a short 10-15 minute episode of Coast. That would be clever with a new episode starting at 9pm on BBC Two.
Fudd
12-06-2011
Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
“F1 stopped due to torrential rain, there are 45 laps remaining, so AR will be running late - they could have edited versions available - ie cut 10-15 minutes easily, maybe as much as 30, or even put a 30 minute replacement prgramme in its place. - so Case Histories does not start late.

They may cut the post race waffle with Jake, David and Eddie to keep disruption to a minimum.”

Antiques Roadshow was always going to start at 8.15pm so no change as of yet.
iaindb
12-06-2011
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“They could show a short 10-15 minute episode of Coast. That would be clever with a new episode starting at 9pm on BBC Two. ”

Especially giving how relatively poorly Coast performed last week. More than likely though....

Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
“They may cut the post race waffle with Jake, David and Eddie to keep disruption to a minimum.”

....they'll just expand the waffle to 9pm. (Satellite availability permitted.)

Yesterday the Tennis finished about 40 minutes before the show was scheduled to end so instead of stopping early for a Bargain Hunt or something they showed some profile of Boris Becker and then had a bit more waffle.
ronant
12-06-2011
Originally Posted by rzt:
“I'm no F1 expert but with 48 laps left in the race, and each lap taking about ~2 mins (?), it looks almost certain that the F1 will overun. If say, the actual race finishes about 20:10 and obviously a bit of time after that has to be dedicated to post-race filler stuff and seeing the presentation ceremony, I wonder what the BBC will do regarding their schedule - will they just drop Antiques Roadshow (currently scheduled for 20:15) and have F1 running all the way till 9pm with a lot of post-race filler during the 8pm hour or will they keep Antiques Roadshow in the schedule but starting 15-20 mins later than billed which will also have a knock-on effect on what time Case Histories begins?”

They can show a short filler - they have 15 minute versions of Nigel Slater's Simple Suppers for example.
Chris1964
12-06-2011
They have just said 1 hour 40 minutes left of racing time-and no start time soon.
Fudd
12-06-2011
Originally Posted by rzt:
“I'm no F1 expert but with 48 laps left in the race, and each lap taking about ~2 mins (?), it looks almost certain that the F1 will overun. If say, the actual race finishes about 20:10 and obviously a bit of time after that has to be dedicated to post-race filler stuff and seeing the presentation ceremony, I wonder what the BBC will do regarding their schedule - will they just drop Antiques Roadshow (currently scheduled for 20:15) and have F1 running all the way till 9pm with a lot of post-race filler during the 8pm hour or will they keep Antiques Roadshow in the schedule but starting 15-20 mins later than billed which will also have a knock-on effect on what time Case Histories begins?”

They still have 1 hour 40 minutes left of the race to run. If it can restart we could be here for a while yet (depending whether they can finish 45 laps before the 2 hour mark or not).
ronant
12-06-2011
Originally Posted by iaindb:
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Yesterday the Tennis finished about 40 minutes before the show was scheduled to end so instead of stopping early for a Bargain Hunt or something they showed some profile of Boris Becker and then had a bit more waffle.”

That was a bit different though, Saturday afternoon and the programme was scheduled until 5pm, not primetime.
rzt
12-06-2011
Backtracking on what I said earlier, I can see The Royal doing really well now by its own standards, as it should attract a decent chunk of the anti-sport audience (some Countryfile viewers basically) and even some of the casual F1 viewers might tune over whilst the race is temporarily stopped and currently shows little signs of restarting soon.

Originally Posted by ronant:
“They can show a short filler - they have 15 minute versions of Nigel Slater's Simple Suppers for example.”

Yep, I suppose so. That or as Dancc said, Coast, would be suitable 15-min fillers.
rzt
12-06-2011
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“They still have 1 hour 40 minutes left of the race to run. If it can restart we could be here for a while yet (depending whether they can finish 45 laps before the 2 hour mark or not).”

Ah right. So there's a possibility that the F1 race could still be running past 9pm, if say it restarts around 7.30-7.40pm?
D.M.N.
12-06-2011
F1 I think will stay on BBC1 until 9pm. If say there's only 15 laps left, then they'll delay Case Histories until 9:30pm if necessary.

If however there's a lot longer left then switch until BBC2.

Edit: Fudd, there's 70 minutes, not 100 minutes left.
ronant
12-06-2011
Could be a long wait. Any chance of them showing something else and coming back to F1 later I wonder?
Fudd
12-06-2011
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“F1 I think will stay on BBC1 until 9pm. If say there's only 15 laps left, then they'll delay Case Histories until 9:30pm if necessary.

If however there's a lot longer left then switch until BBC2.

Edit: Fudd, there's 70 minutes, not 100 minutes left.”

Oops, I misheard 1 hour 14 for 1 hour 40. Someone on the F1 Broadcast thread has said the coverage will switch to BBC2 at 8.15 if there's been no racing by then. I haven't seen any confirmation as of yet, though - they may have just been making as assumption.
grahamzxy
12-06-2011
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Antiques Roadshow was always going to start at 8.15pm so no change as of yet. ”

Yes realised too late - just 45 mins left now though, so I wonder what will happen, they cant fit this in now - so looks like AR pulled or F1 will switch to red button, if indeed it goes ahead? Will Case Histories be delayed? So many unknowns caused by H2O.
Brekkie
12-06-2011
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“Yeah, Survivor wasn't helped by the scheduling, initially it was actual episodes Monday and Thursday at 9pm and the eviction interviews on Tuesday and Friday at 8.30pm, but nobody cared about the eviction interviews, especially in the early shows where we barely knew the contestants. Indeed the first one saw half an hour of telly lavished on someone who'd appeared on screen for less than an hour.* Eventually they cut it down to just the main show on Monday and the eviction interview on Tuesday, now at 10.30, and rebranded as Survivor Unseen - which is rubbish, it's all bloody unseen until they show it!

As you say, the second series was all on one night, and the eviction interviews were done at the same time as their eviction (in the first series they were studio based and recorded months later). Ridiculously, the ITV2 spin-off was also on the same night, both 10.45 -11.05 during the news, then 11.35-1.05 after it, so you had nearly three and a half hours of it all in one lump. Who was going to watch that?

But it flopped mostly because it was very dull, really, I don't think anyone bought into a show filmed months ago miles away, especially one which they had no say over. It's like people didn't like the idea of Fame Academy as they had little say over what happened. It's remarkable to think how successful the original Popstars was when there were no opportunities to join in at all, that would be unthinkable now.”

It's ITV's desire for the public vote which ruined Hell's Kitchen too - it's a much better format when the eliminations and winner are actually based on the cooking, not the popularity.

Ironically in the wake of The Apprentice Survivor might actually fair better now than it did then as viewers are used recorded formats, and 71 Degrees North didn't do too bad. It is one thing which worries me about The Voice - NBC had four studio shows with no public vote. I can't see even the BBC being brave enough to do that.


Originally Posted by derek500:
“So last night's without substitutional opposition was quite poor?

Wonder why C4 don't do repeats during the week to build up the audience? Perhaps they can't afford multiple showings?”

It does make you wonder how these deals are done - they all seem to get the On Demand rights, but overlook the need for narrative repeats, and both Camelot and Pillars of the Earth really would benefit from them, whether on C4 or More4. I'd imagine they have some sort of repeat rights after the series too - a rerun of Pillars of the Earth would really boost More4's ever weakening schedule.
grahamzxy
12-06-2011
Originally Posted by ronant:
“Could be a long wait. Any chance of them showing something else and coming back to F1 later I wonder?”

They ought really show some classic F1 - with a banner every few minutes giving an update.
Charnham
12-06-2011
I dont see the point of the coverage of a race not happening wrecking BBC 1s primetime scheulde.

As long as it doesnt get in the way of Family Guy I wont mind however.
ronant
12-06-2011
Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
“They ought really show some classic F1 - with a banner every few minutes giving an update.”

Like they used to do with cricket and tennis - with a big fat R in the corner of the screen.
D.M.N.
12-06-2011
Think The Royal maybe will find itself near to 6m tonight.
ronant
12-06-2011
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“I dont see the point of the coverage of a race not happening wrecking BBC 1s primetime scheulde.

As long as it doesnt get in the way of Family Guy I wont mind however.”

Yes but it's going to restart, they just know when. I'd keep it on BBC1 till 9. AR is no big loss. Surprised they haven't gone back to Jake yet, commentators still filling.
iaindb
12-06-2011
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Oops, I misheard 1 hour 14 for 1 hour 40. Someone on the F1 Broadcast thread has said the coverage will switch to BBC2 at 8.15 if there's been no racing by then. I haven't seen any confirmation as of yet, though - they may have just been making as assumption.”

Touch James May's Toy Stories and they're dead.

Of course they won't do that. Antiques Roadshow has been deliberately scheduled to give them some leeway in the event of a race delay.

BBC not haven't much luck with the weather today what with the tennis as well. Sunday primetime on BBC1 - watching people getting wet. Still more exciting than an episode of The Royal though.
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