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Old 20-06-2011, 17:05
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Like a cuckoo heralding spring, you know summer's arrived when the DS Ratings Thread is full of posts about the BBC maximising the tennis audience, and how very dare they....

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Old 20-06-2011, 17:12
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It's also at this point where people get carried away, thinking that every Murray match will cause the BBC1 schedules to be ripped up, regional news magazines cancelled, EastEnders delayed etc, when in reality it only happens in the second week.
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Old 20-06-2011, 17:18
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Still no golf ratings?

Sat - SS2, 7pm to 1am

Sun - SS2, 6.30pm to 12.30am

Peaks would be of particular interest given length of programmes and almost 2 hours at the start on each day before McIlroy teed off.
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Old 20-06-2011, 17:23
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It's also at this point where people get carried away, thinking that every Murray match will cause the BBC1 schedules to be ripped up, regional news magazines cancelled, EastEnders delayed etc, when in reality it only happens in the second week.
Yes, but in 2009 when his game switched to BBC2....

Tuesday 23rd June 2009
19:00- Emmerdale: 4.69m (24.8%)
* 19:00-19:30: 4.90m (26.9%)
* 19:30-20:00: 4.48m (22.7%)
19:30- EastEnders: 4.84m (24.5%)

Wimbledon on BBC2 peaked with 4.5m (22.75%) between 19:30 and 19:45

Thursday 25th June 2009
- think it finished before primetime

If it moves and stays on BBC2, then the ITV1 soaps at least will be dented heavily. (last year his games were not last on court and comparisons not very valid due to World Cup)
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Old 20-06-2011, 17:23
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Still no golf ratings?
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Peaks would be of particular interest given length of programmes and almost 2 hours at the start on each day before McIlroy teed off.
I have Saturday's but not Sunday's (I get data 1 day late, annoyingly!):

Sat - SS2, 7pm to 1am: 481k (2.9%)
* peak: 781k at 22:40
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Old 20-06-2011, 17:26
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The BBC will keep these contracts, but I can see some of the less watched things like domestic athletics and some snooker moving across to satellite.
From a PSB perspective surely it is the lower profile sports that the BBC should be keeping, in order to give them wider exposure? Also many of them are Olympic sports and Im sure they will want to have some coverage of them outside of the Olympics

With regards to athletics interesting to note that part of the London diamond league is down for BBC1 primetime on Friday 5th August, I'd guess 7-8pm

DIAMOND LEAGUE - LONDON
Friday 5 August
BBC One/Two (1900-2100)
Meanwhile the Diamond League Zurich and Brussels get upped from BBC3 to BBC2 this year, Thu 8th and Fri 16th Sept respectively 7-9pm.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/6107744.stm

I'm guessing this is in response to the BBC loosing the World Championship rights to C4 but still wanting to have some high profile athletics coverage, especially in the year before the Olympics

ITV made a token bid to retain the rights in 2004 but everyone knew they weren't very interested in getting them, because at 10.30 it doesn't really offer much value for a commercial broadcaster, and even less so these days with the advertising minutage used up in primetime. If they couldn't make it pay ten years ago, it'd be even less likely to now.
I wonder how the Premier League highlights would do on Channel 5? They could probably save up their ad minutes to use during the highlights, and CSI:NY could offer a useful lead in
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Old 20-06-2011, 17:30
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Originally Posted by excel99;5*****87
I wonder how the Premier League highlights would do on Channel 5? They could probably save up their ad minutes to use during the highlights, and CSI:NY could offer a useful lead in
I'd say they could do ok with a 9pm start time after TXF or BGT finishes for the evening. They could get 3m regularly with a good demo. But would it be enough to cover the £1.5m rights plus say £0.3m production costs - probably not?
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Old 20-06-2011, 17:40
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ON MEDIA CITY THE BEST I COULD GET WAS APRIL 2011
INTERESTING TO SEE THAT THE FA CUP WAS THE MOST WATCHED THING ON UTV.SING IF YOU CAN WAS 5TH
THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE, CORRIE AND EMMERDALE WERE THE BEST PERFORMERS ON TV3.
GYPSY WEDDINGS TOPPED C4 AS WOULD BE EXPECTED
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Old 20-06-2011, 17:41
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Here's the BBC1/ITV1 Demographic Information for Sunday 12th to Saturday 18th June: http://i56.tinypic.com/3142zb7.jpg

That's one very old-skew for Marple - I don't recall seeing a programme in primetime terrestrial TV (bar BBC2) skewing with an audience as old as that. ABC1 audience for it is decent though.
PTOS might not rate highly but the ABC1 skew is good. However, the demos for The Apprentice are excellent, 65 pc ABC1, clearly there is a market for intelligent reality shows that are light years away from bitchy no hopers in a fake house.
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Old 20-06-2011, 17:45
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Hmm. A midweek launch, same as BB8 (6.2m overnight) and BB11 (5m inc. +1 overnight). Seems like a good choice of night because it won't interrupt any of Channel 5's long-running programmes there. NCIS 7 will be done and dusted after this week so they could effectively devote the whole evening to Big Brother, perhaps kicking off with an OK! TV special and a few documentaries/retrospectives.
As rzt posted out there is an England match on the same night, and in households with both football fans and Celebrity Big Brother fans, football would win hands down with it being England. That is unless the launch show starts at 10pm which isn't actually that bad an idea and has happened in the past.

I think a Sunday launch would be best where its clear from any competition and can build across the week. It did wonders for the last celebrity series.
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Old 20-06-2011, 17:47
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ON MEDIA CITY THE BEST I COULD GET WAS APRIL 2011
INTERESTING TO SEE THAT THE FA CUP WAS THE MOST WATCHED THING ON UTV.SING IF YOU CAN WAS 5TH
THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE, CORRIE AND EMMERDALE WERE THE BEST PERFORMERS ON TV3.
GYPSY WEDDINGS TOPPED C4 AS WOULD BE EXPECTED
They are there weekly

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TV3
1 Coronation Street 20:32 Mon 447
2 Coronation Street 19:29 Mon 397
3 Come Dine With Me Ireland 21:02 Mon 390
4 Coronation Street 20:28 Fri 309
5 Coronation Street 19:30 Fri 303
6 Coronation Street 20:28 Thu 287
7 Celebrity Salon 21:33 Mon 282
8 Come Dine With Me Ireland 20:58 Thu 279
9 Fiddling The System 21:32 Tue 278
10 Come Dine With Me Ireland 21:00 Fri 270
11 Emmerdale 19:00 Wed 270
12 Come Dine With Me Ireland 21:01 Tue 263
13 Come Dine With Me Ireland 21:00 Wed 257
14 Emmerdale 19:00 Mon 253
15 Emmerdale 18:59 Thu 252
16 Emmerdale 19:00 Tue 222
17 Emmerdale 19:59 Thu 218
18 Celebrity Salon 21:31 Wed 208
19 A Girl's Guide To 21st Century Sex 22:32 Tue 203
20 Emmerdale 19:00 Fri 196

RTE1
1 Saturday Night With Miriam 21:36 Sat 472
2 Fair City 20:00 Sun 441
3 Fair City 20:04 Tue 434
4 Reeling In The Years 18:32 Mon 426
5 Fair City 19:28 Wed 423
6 Feargal Quinn's Retail Therapy 20:30 Sun 396
7 Prime Time 21:37 Thu 393
8 Creedon's Retro Roadtrip 18:31 Sun 391
9 The Consumer Show 20:33 Tue 378
10 Eastenders 19:58 Mon 354
11 Prime Time 21:36 Tue 338
12 Nationwide 19:00 Wed 334
13 FILM: Failure To Launch 21:36 Wed 334
14 Fair City 20:02 Thu 332
15 FILM: Casino Royale 21:29 Mon 332
16 Health Of The Nation 20:01 Wed 330
17 Eastenders 19:28 Tue 328
18 At Your Service 18:59 Mon 314
19 Eastenders 19:29 Thu 309
20 Off The Rails - The Complete Collection 20:32 Wed 306

RTE2
1 The Sunday Game Live 15:50 Sun 398
2 The Sunday Game Live 13:30 Sun 268
3 The Saturday Game 18:40 Sat 242
4 CSI 21:56 Wed 208
5 CSI 21:02 Wed 176
6 The Sunday Game 21:30 Sun 173
7 Blue Bloods 21:55 Tue 172
8 FILM: History Of Violence 21:01 Thu 143
9 Livin With Lucy 22:49 Tue 142
10 FILM: From Russia With Love 18:19 Sun 126
11 Home And Away 18:32 Wed 120
12 Blue Bloods 21:00 Tue 120
13 Criminal Minds 21:00 Mon 116
14 Anonymous 22:41 Thu 114
15 FILM: The Kingdom 21:00 Sat 112
16 Home And Away 18:30 Tue 110
17 The Walking Dead 21:55 Mon 106
18 Home And Away 18:29 Mon 100
19 Home And Away 18:31 Fri 98
20 Gavin And Stacey 22:50 Wed 96
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Old 20-06-2011, 17:52
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Don't think Murray will start until at least after 6:30pm, heading towards 7pm, could be an opportunity to switch at 7pm, if BBC do wish to.

If not, then BBC2's schedule will be wiped out for the evening.
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Old 20-06-2011, 17:53
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clearly there is a market for intelligent reality shows that are light years away from bitchy no hopers in a fake house.
sounds a lot like The Apprentice to me - I wouldnt employ any of 'em!
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Old 20-06-2011, 17:54
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Originally Posted by rzt
I have Saturday's but not Sunday's (I get data 1 day late, annoyingly!):

Sat - SS2, 7pm to 1am: 481k (2.9%)
* peak: 781k at 22:40
Thanks a lot, rzt.

Look forward to seeing Sunday's ratings when you get them tomorrow.

Could the peak hit 1 million? I suspect not but could be very close. Maybe about 950k?
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Old 20-06-2011, 18:00
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Good start for TNT's Falling Skies,
'Falling Skies' draws 5.9 million viewers for Sunday's premie
http://twitter.com/#!/Variety_StuartL
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Old 20-06-2011, 18:14
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PTOS might not rate highly but the ABC1 skew is good. However, the demos for The Apprentice are excellent, 65 pc ABC1, clearly there is a market for intelligent reality shows that are light years away from bitchy no hopers in a fake house.
Oh, come on. The Apprentice is not as intellectually superior as you seem to think it is. It's hugely entertaining don't get me wrong, but it's credentials as a business programme are no greater than say The Salon on Channel 4 back in the day, and I doubt you'd take the same view on that. Big Brother is all down to casting, and all the sounds I'm hearing at the moment fill me with positivity that they will cast the right people this time.

See this quote from new exec producer Kathy Smith:

"For the house to work it has to have a mixture of characters. We are trying to make it a bit more authentic and would love to find a few more naïve characters, who are not all about fame and money. Our message this year is 'be yourself'."
Source: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s149/...auditions.html
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Old 20-06-2011, 18:27
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Previous game on Centre Court just finished, Murray will be on in 15/20 minutes. Very convenient for BBC2 as that'll swipe BBC1's and ITV1's audience.
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Old 20-06-2011, 18:36
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And people scoffed when I said it could be ITV's SYTYCD. "I can't see it going that low." Well, it has. It's officially a complete and utter turkey, almost beaten by C4's movie last night, and rounding off a very disappointing week for ITV1.

On a positive note, Scott & Bailey held up well in that crap sandwich.

Why does the second episode of Family Guy always outrate the first?
I have to say sorry, Dancc. I ssaid last week to wait and see whether it'd rebound and it most certainly didn't. It only has three weeks left but they need to switch it round with The Royal as surely it has about an equal chance of recommission now and The Royal tends to hold up better. Scott and Bailey did well in the sandwich though, which'll give ITV some comfort.

An uninspiring but ok night for BBC1. 'The 'stick anything about antiques on' approach doesn't seem to have worked at 7pm and the poor promotion for Horrible Histories hindered it badly. Indeed, when I drew up the schedule for the prediction game I put Horrible Histories down as a special as I thought it was the first episode next Sunday. Countryside performed well, and Case Histories held up without pulling up any trees.
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Old 20-06-2011, 18:38
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they should have hosted Wimebeldon in Peterborough, its been a lovely sunny day, ideal weather for tennis.
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Old 20-06-2011, 18:43
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I have to say sorry, Dancc. I ssaid last week to wait and see whether it'd rebound and it most certainly didn't. It only has three weeks left but they need to switch it round with The Royal as surely it has about an equal chance of recommission now and The Royal tends to hold up better. Scott and Bailey did well in the sandwich though, which'll give ITV some comfort.
No need to apologise mate. I've got stuff wrong on here countless times, as other regulars will testify.
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Old 20-06-2011, 18:44
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They'll probably make the players stop at 9pm each night for a week of Corrie specials to boost its ratings then come back to the tennis at 9.30pm for the deciding set.
LOL - so true though, with match points held to after the break.

McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh is angry at yesterday's Sunday Times F1 story and says it would be sad and unwise for the BBC to drop coverage - http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/t...-one-article/-

While Bernie Ecclestone will do his best to keep F1 on the BBC - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/9517174.stm
Yeah right. Money talks and even when no broadcaster was interested Bernie milked even more money out of the BBC. The BBC dropping F1 will hurt F1 much more than it hurts the BBC.

If Bernie really wants the BBC to keep it he'd give them a free contract for three years - but no chance of that happening.


Their only realistic opportunity to get onto that chart is with Celebrity Big Brother which should get launch night ratings of about 4m. I'm not sure if it has been mentioned but Broadcast are claiming it begins on Wednesday 10th August, so about 6 or 7 weeks away.
No chance of it getting 4m even for the launch. 3m or so would be the best IMO, with around 1.5m for regular shows.

Good timeshift for the first Camelot on C4. Up 43% from 2.24m to 3.20m.

Even the +1 version increased 21% from 299k to 363k.
Be interesting to see how that changes this week with the drop in the overnights.

Originally Posted by excel99;5*****87
From a PSB perspective surely it is the lower profile sports that the BBC should be keeping, in order to give them wider exposure? Also many of them are Olympic sports and Im sure they will want to have some coverage of them outside of the Olympics
Although some sports like rowing get exposure on the red button, it's disapointing that on the BBC and other terrestrials coverage of "Olympic" sports outside the Olympics hasn't really been boosted at all by London winning the Olympics. The BBC have pinpointed a few sports they give more coverage than previously too (but usually on the red button), but most of their coverage is confined to news reports. Olympic sports have definately lost out from the loss of Grandstand and those random 20 minute slots they used to give to sports like sailing etc.


With regards to athletics interesting to note that part of the London diamond league is down for BBC1 primetime on Friday 5th August, I'd guess 7-8pm

Meanwhile the Diamond League Zurich and Brussels get upped from BBC3 to BBC2 this year, Thu 8th and Fri 16th Sept respectively 7-9pm.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/6107744.stm

I'm guessing this is in response to the BBC loosing the World Championship rights to C4 but still wanting to have some high profile athletics coverage, especially in the year before the Olympics
Don't really understand why more of the Diamond League isn't on BBC2 - it's another example of the BBC having rights and hiding them away on the red button (and often not airing at all on Freeview).
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Old 20-06-2011, 18:46
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they should have hosted Wimebeldon in Peterborough, its been a lovely sunny day, ideal weather for tennis.
You just love seeing Peterborough on TV, don't you?

I see The Restaurant Inspector is visiting a Northampton based establishment tonight. I don't know which one yet, could be one of my haunts.
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Old 20-06-2011, 18:53
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No need to apologise mate. I've got stuff wrong on here countless times, as other regulars will testify.
We all have expectations for TV programmes...hardly any live up to them.

Can I ask...does Centre Court at Wimbledon have floodlights now or is it just a roof?
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Old 20-06-2011, 18:53
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No chance of it getting 4m even for the launch. 3m or so would be the best IMO, with around 1.5m for regular shows.
Why wouldn't it get 4m? Celebrity Big Brother launches always perform very well. Didn't the last launch get close to 7m when the regular final that was on before it struggled to get 3m for the final? Besides, the drop from Channel 4 to 5 is going to be a lot smaller than when BBC and ITV shows jump across due to a similar sized audience share.
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Old 20-06-2011, 19:02
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Very disappointing figures for the BBC's new early evening Sunday lineup...

6pm- Horrible Histories with Stephen Fry 2m (12.6%)
7pm- Fake or Fortune 3.9m (19.6%)

Source: Attentional.
Last of the Summer Wine ratings don't look so bad now, eh BBC?
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