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And people scoffed when I said it could be ITV's SYTYCD. "I can't see it going that low." Well, it has. It's officially a complete and utter turkey, almost beaten by C4's movie last night, and rounding off a very disappointing week for ITV1.
Very poor numbers for it last night, and it is declining like SYTYCD did. ITV will be desperate for it to rise and if it goes below 3m it'd be embarrassing for them. As other have said, they should swap it with The Royal, which would provide a much better lead in for the 9pm drama (and if Single Handed does replace S&B then it'll need the lead in!). Good rating for Scott and Bailey considering, and it's timeshifting really well, so last night will be another ~7m official rating. Good stuff, it'll definitely be back next year. The same can't be said for Case Histories though, which is doing OK but nothing special, and with the lead actor working in the US I don't think it'll be back. Good for Countryfile but poor for Horrible Histories, but it was dreadful scheduling.Quote:
As we're about half way through the year, let's take a look at the official consolidated series averages for the BBC1 and ITV1 dramas which have aired so far this year. All these figures include HD. In brackets, next to the programme name, is the change compared to the average for the show the previous year:
Analysing it: I'd say it's been a mixed bag for BBC1's dramas thus far in 2011. The returning shows have, in fairness, on the whole held up really well. Key longer-episode shows like SW, DW, Hustle, WTD, LRTC have all either been stable or up y-o-y. Unfortunately though, two of those were their final series and Hustle is set to finish next year. A hefty drop for Rock & Chips, but it was probably going to be its final episode anyway, so not a big loss. They've had mixed success with the new dramas- South Riding was a big hit but it was just a 3-part series which isn't renewable material. Silk did well, their most popular 6-part weeknight series in quite a few years with very consistent ratings and it's coming back so that's good news. Zen also did pretty well but has been axed. Case Histories will most likely drop to ~5.3m come the end of the series, they could bring it back I suppose but I tend to think 5.0-5.5m dramas are 50/50 decisions these days so I'm not sure if they will (actor's availability also an issue). Candy Cabs' 5.15m official average is okay but it shed a lot of viewers during its 3-ep run and it's been axed and of course Outcasts was the major flop new drama series this year. As I said a few days ago, BBC1 could really do with a new 6m+ 6-part series come through soon. As for ITV1 drama, it's been a strong year so far (especially by their usual standards!). They've launched 9 new dramas, none of the 9 have flopped, 7 did well or really well (over 5.5/6m+), 2 did okay (5.0-5.5m) and a few of those shows have already been (or will almost certainly be) recommissioned. In terms of the returning dramas, key shows like Wild at Heart, Benidorm and Midsomer Murders have built their audiences. Lewis, Above Suspicion and Law & Order UK have dropped but they did face some really tough competition such as Silent Witness and Waking The Dead. Bottom of the pile Taggart has been axed and also Primeval looks certain for the axe too after its drop. That list is only going to look stronger when Autumn comes around with the three D's: Downton Abbey, Doc Martin and DCI Banks. I don't think they're actually launching a new drama series this Autumn so looking ahead to next year, as ever they could do with popular new non-crime drama series but their drama slate as a whole looks much stronger now than 3 years ago. I completely agree with your analysis too, BBC1 have had mixed fortunes but some strong successes to prop them up. However, the amount of those shows that'll be back next year and have a future beyond it is concerning, and I don't think axing shows like Waking The Dead, Hustle, Spooks and Zen was such a good idea as they should have waited until they have new hits to replace them, as their cupboard of returning hits is going to start looking a bit bare if some of their new dramas don't take off.ITV have had a strong year so far, and with new dramas Vera, Kidnap and Ransom, The Suspicions of Mr Whicher, Case Sensitive and Scott and Bailey all either definitely recommissioned or almost certainly to be then they've had a solid year. In addition, returning titles Wild at Heart, Benidorm, Lewis, Above Suspicion, Law & Order: UK and Midsomer Murders will all be back in the first half of next year, along with Whitechapel, meaning that their drama slate for the next year and even further ahead is looking very strong. They could do with one or two new non-crime dramas to take off for the first half of the year to sit alongside the ones they have there and Downton and Doc Martin in the Autumn, and I think they'll be looking to Eternal Law to be that drama (I know there's a bit of crime there but that's not really its genre). That one could either be a hit or a big miss depending on the quality of it and the slot, but I'm glad they're still doing more risky dramas like this. They've also got new comedy The Security Men to take off to sit alongside Benidorm, and if that one works then I think we could see more new comedies on ITV which can only be a good thing. Quote:
Yeah I think they'll have Single Handed planned for Sundays after Scott & Bailey. The first series only averaged 3.8m but it was recommissioned because it was an RTE import, so really cheap compared to your usual ITV drama. I think the next series is a co-production with ITV though so they'll probably be hoping for better figures.
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Here's the BBC1/ITV1 Demographic Information for Sunday 12th to Saturday 18th June: http://i56.tinypic.com/3142zb7.jpg
That's one very old-skew for Marple - I don't recall seeing a programme in primetime terrestrial TV (bar BBC2) skewing with an audience as old as that. ABC1 audience for it is decent though. Marple did skew very old, and whilst it did OK with ABC1s I think it used to do better in that demo. A disappointing rating for it on Wednesday and based on its recent performances I won't be surprised if ITV axe it as they haven't treated it well for years and it doesn't rate that well anymore. They haven't filmed any since 2009 and there are no current plans to film more so I think it's done. The Christie dramas are really useful for them at Christmas as they can burn them off whilst looking like they're making an effort, but really they don't do that well these days. I think they'll let Poirot have its last 6 episodes (one of which was commissioned recently) out of respect, along with the fact that it does a bit better than Marple (it did well on Xmas Day, for instance), but I can't see them bothering with any other Christie stuff.Elsewhere, The Apprentice remains a demo powerhouse, whilst The Marriage Ref at least managed to skew young, but it still did very poorly. Penn and Teller skewed nice and young too, and more interestingly skewed much more towards males than other ITV entertainment, which will make it more appealing to ITV. If the numbers hold, I think ITV will be pretty satisfied with it and it'll probably be back for more. |
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I hope we do see a situation in the future where ITV are able to run 5/6 different dramas on 5/6 different nights. I doubt they'd take such a risk though... although in the Autumn I presume we will see:
Sundays - Downton Abbey Mondays - DCI Banks Thursdays - Doc Martin Unless there is a new 5/6 drama they could put after X Factor and take a big risk and put one of the above 3 on Tuesday or Friday? |
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I hope we do see a situation in the future where ITV are able to run 5/6 different dramas on 5/6 different nights. I doubt they'd take such a risk though... although in the Autumn I presume we will see:
Sundays - Downton Abbey Mondays - DCI Banks Thursdays - Doc Martin Unless there is a new 5/6 drama they could put after X Factor and take a big risk and put one of the above 3 on Tuesday or Friday? |
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Oh, come on. The Apprentice is not as intellectually superior as you seem to think it is. It's hugely entertaining don't get me wrong, but it's credentials as a business programme are no greater than say The Salon on Channel 4 back in the day, and I doubt you'd take the same view on that. Big Brother is all down to casting, and all the sounds I'm hearing at the moment fill me with positivity that they will cast the right people this time.
See this quote from new exec producer Kathy Smith: Source: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s149/...auditions.html |
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I hope we do see a situation in the future where ITV are able to run 5/6 different dramas on 5/6 different nights. I doubt they'd take such a risk though... although in the Autumn I presume we will see:
Sundays - Downton Abbey Mondays - DCI Banks Thursdays - Doc Martin Unless there is a new 5/6 drama they could put after X Factor and take a big risk and put one of the above 3 on Tuesday or Friday? Popstar to Operastar won't worry ITV too much - the same slot next year is basically taken by Euro 2012 anyway. However baddle PTO does, I expect Born to Shine to do worse. |
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I hope we do see a situation in the future where ITV are able to run 5/6 different dramas on 5/6 different nights. I doubt they'd take such a risk though... although in the Autumn I presume we will see:
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This has probably been discussed before, but when is BBC1 showing Torchwood? I assume it's before Starz does in America.
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Thanks for the figures rzt.
I completely agree with your analysis too, BBC1 have had mixed fortunes but some strong successes to prop them up. However, the amount of those shows that'll be back next year and have a future beyond it is concerning, and I don't think axing shows like Waking The Dead, Hustle, Spooks and Zen was such a good idea as they should have waited until they have new hits to replace them, as their cupboard of returning hits is going to start looking a bit bare if some of their new dramas don't take off.Quote:
I think they'll be looking to Eternal Law to be that drama (I know there's a bit of crime there but that's not really its genre). That one could either be a hit or a big miss depending on the quality of it and the slot, but I'm glad they're still doing more risky dramas like this. They've also got new comedy The Security Men to take off to sit alongside Benidorm, and if that one works then I think we could see more new comedies on ITV which can only be a good thing.
I really have no idea how Eternal Law will perform. It sounds like the sort of drama which in the last 5-10 years hasn't done well on ITV generally but earlier this year Marchlands did really well, so I think viewers will watch something, and more importantly stick with it, if it's good. They need to keep it pretty mainstream though and not too niche. As for Security Men, I'm quite disappointed it's taken this long to get the project to air. The show was talked about in August 2010, yet it'll be Q1/Q2 2012 when we get to actually see it on screen and it's just 4 episodes. That means, Benidorm aside, there's no scripted comedy shows on the channel this year at all, although that's more than last year I guess! Security Men, I reckon, needs to be shown in a non-Friday slot. It's too risky putting a new show on Fridays, the track record is poor. Once a show is established, it can be moved to Fridays, but launching a new show like Security Men would ideally go into the Monday/Thursday slot.Quote:
Single Handed certainly feels like a Sunday night drama so unless BBC1 put New Tricks on Sundays then I think we'll see it there. I agree that they'll want it to do better this time too. If they swap PSTOS with The Royal to give it a better lead in then I think it stands a good chance of doing better as it was a quality drama that went somewhat unnoticed last time. As it's cheaper than most dramas for them I don't think their expectations will be quite as high as they usually are with new drama but I think they'll still be looking for 4m+ overnights for the whole series if it's to return.
These co-productions come in handy because they're cheaper to make so they can air them in summer, and even if they get lower ratings than the usual dramas they're acceptable for the time of the year. The BBC are also doing it with Torchwood this year, although I think that's capable of good figures anyway (but I don't think it'll rate as good as the 5-parter a couple years ago). I'm surprised TV channels don't do co-productions more. Even something like Taggart, despite the poor ratings and demos for the last series, they could've continued putting in £200-300k per episode and showed it during the summer where on a Thursday night it could've got ~4m- respectable enough for summer and they could claim it's "original drama" for a time of the year when they usually don't air much dramas. Quote:
Marple did skew very old, and whilst it did OK with ABC1s I think it used to do better in that demo. A disappointing rating for it on Wednesday and based on its recent performances I won't be surprised if ITV axe it as they haven't treated it well for years and it doesn't rate that well anymore. They haven't filmed any since 2009 and there are no current plans to film more so I think it's done. The Christie dramas are really useful for them at Christmas as they can burn them off whilst looking like they're making an effort, but really they don't do that well these days. I think they'll let Poirot have its last 6 episodes (one of which was commissioned recently) out of respect, along with the fact that it does a bit better than Marple (it did well on Xmas Day, for instance), but I can't see them bothering with any other Christie stuff.
Julia McKenzie seemed quite unsure about there being more episodes of Marple in her interview on This Morning. She originally said that the new episodes hadn't been "greenlit" officially (sort of indicating that the episodes were in development) but then backtracked and said that they need more viewers to watch. Well, the opposite happened, and I think last Wednesday's Marple was their lowest (or at least one of their lowest) rated ever! I guess it might come down to how well the show sells broad, because I don't think it's as popular as something like Poirot/Lewis worldwide, so external revenues from International sales might not be good enough to make it worth producing further episodes of. It doesn't really repeat well on ITV1 either.Quote:
I hope we do see a situation in the future where ITV are able to run 5/6 different dramas on 5/6 different nights. I doubt they'd take such a risk though...
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Well, that was great scheduling from RTE!
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This has probably been discussed before, but when is BBC1 showing Torchwood? I assume it's before Starz does in America.
But having said that, it will be very soon after...... Watch this space... By the way, the Press screening which has just finished as gone well by all accounts. |
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RTE1's schedule is much more rigid than BBC1's
Pre 9pm you have a magazine show nightly at 7pm then 4 x 30 of Eastenders and 3 x 30 of Irish soap Fair City. The gaps against Coronation Street of 6x30 are filled with consumer/ rural/ lifestyle shows. There is a 30 minute news at 9pm followed by current affairs on Tuesday and Thursday at 9.30pm. Fridays @ 9.30 is reserved for the Late Late char show. Mondays at 9.30 are used for either dcumentaries, sometimes more current affairs or ocassionally a drama. Wednesdays at 9.30 are usually held for a 2 hour Hollywood film. So the remaining slots are either 10.15pm on Tuesdays and Thursdays or 9.30 on Sunday nights [Saturdays are basically film, lottery show, news, chat show] |
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Why don't the BBC ever publicise the HD channel numbers on air?
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I agree with showing the channel numbers at the bottom.
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For the reason I posted on here a few days ago.
(To summarise - it makes no difference to the BBC if people watch in HD or not. If they keep giving out numbers 143/169 etc then people who currently never look down the EPG will start doing so with the result that they start bumping into other programmes they would never have noticed beforehand. Result = BBC audiences fall). |
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You assume incorrectly, it premieres on Starz first and was always going to, despite some thinking it would be here first.
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May I ask why? Surely UK viewers would be tempted to find illegal copies the morning after US broadcast? (and yes, I know you could use the same argument but vice-versa, except the difference is US's viewership is a lot lower than UK's)
C.M.W.: any clues on what day of the week New Tricks might air?
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May I ask why? Surely UK viewers would be tempted to find illegal copies the morning after US broadcast? (and yes, I know you could use the same argument but vice-versa, except the difference is US's viewership is a lot lower than UK's)
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Money. If your paying the higher proportion of the budget, you get first dibs. Torrenting is something we'll just have to live with, but it'll be only for a few days at most. We should get a date by the end of the week.
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Programme change, BBC2
11.20pm Today At Wimbledon (which was moved from 8pm due to the Andy Murray match). |
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Hmmm... doesn't sound too great. GeorgeS do you know the sorts of ratings the last series of Single-Handed and also drama Love/Hate got on RTE? I find it hard to believe that ad revenue only covered 5% of the costs! I know you said ratings were dented by TXF/DA, but even say for example it had got double the ratings, does that mean that still well over 50% of the show's costs wouldn't have been covered by ad revenue? Are all RTE drama really loss-making?
The previous episodes in Apr-09 got 407k adults; Jan 2008 467k adults Love/Hate averaged 406k adults All figures are adults only - there might be another 10-20k under 16s watching too that arent in those numbers The real problem from an ad perspective is that the audience is a lot older on RTE1 (RTE2 has all the youth shows, sport & US imports). It tends to skew heavily to over 45s so even with those numbers the ad revenue wont be great. RTE is also heaviliy discounting ad rates to fill airtime due to the recession, so its the worst of all worlds for them right now. |
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My guess is that the US 'Starz' channel are the majority investor of this series so demanded that they get the first worldwide airings. C.M.W seems to be suggesting that Torchwood will slot in on Saturday nights, perhaps in a post-Casualty slot. I think it'd do pretty well there, especially up against The Marriage Ref.
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Ah, fair enough. I wonder what would have happened if they couldn't find anyone to co-produce the series with?
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Simon Brint (TV composer and comedian) has died aged 61.
http://www.simonbrint.com/londons-burning.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13845248 |
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Saturday looks too cluttered though, MOTD would be back halfway through the series, so I can't see it fitting in despite earlier thinking.
New Tricks? Well, it has arrived as a bit of a surprise this year, being filmed pretty much straight after series 7 and ready months earlier. Monday's most likely. As for New Tricks, its highest rated series was on Summer Mondays in 2008 so the move makes sense. ITV won't be happy though as they'll have to move Law and Order which they had planned for Mondays. That shouldn't bother BBC1 though as they quite rightly can put their programmes wherever they want to. |
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Single Handed was shown in Nov/ early Dec-10 by RTE. It doesnt make their Top 30 shows in Nov-10 (the #30 show got 433k). From memory I think it got somewhere about 350k-400k
The previous episodes in Apr-09 got 407k adults; Jan 2008 467k adults Love/Hate averaged 406k adults All figures are adults only - there might be another 10-20k under 16s watching too that arent in those numbers The real problem from an ad perspective is that the audience is a lot older on RTE1 (RTE2 has all the youth shows, sport & US imports). It tends to skew heavily to over 45s so even with those numbers the ad revenue wont be great. RTE is also heaviliy discounting ad rates to fill airtime due to the recession, so its the worst of all worlds for them right now. Quote:
Saturday looks too cluttered though, MOTD would be back halfway through the series, so I can't see it fitting in despite earlier thinking.
But you're right, that would be too clustered, with Casualty starting in the 7pm hour which is early for it. I guess Torchwood could take over the Tuesday slot from Luther. Edit: Score mentions the Casualty break, so yeah, Torchwood could just about fit in on Saturdays if the Beeb wanted to do that. |
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Yeah, he's just lost the set, definitely going to dent BBC1 and ITV1 as it'll run deep into primetime now.
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Yeah, Case Histories has been unlucky: first the F1 and now this Murray match possibly clashing against it which will dent its figures.
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Torchwood : Miracle Day will air in the UK, July 14. So VERY reliable sources say.
So maybe Torchwood will be end up on Thursdays, and New Tricks on Mondays. Seems like we're going round in circles- hopefully we'll have a better idea tomorrow with the Digiguide updated schedules .
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Very poor numbers for it last night, and it is declining like SYTYCD did. ITV will be desperate for it to rise and if it goes below 3m it'd be embarrassing for them. As other have said, they should swap it with The Royal, which would provide a much better lead in for the 9pm drama (and if Single Handed does replace S&B then it'll need the lead in!). Good rating for Scott and Bailey considering, and it's timeshifting really well, so last night will be another ~7m official rating. Good stuff, it'll definitely be back next year. The same can't be said for Case Histories though, which is doing OK but nothing special, and with the lead actor working in the US I don't think it'll be back. Good for Countryfile but poor for Horrible Histories, but it was dreadful scheduling.

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