Interesting... I thought ITV did better than that in daytime. Especially shocked that This Morning doesn't get 1m viewers. Was it just a bad day or is that the normal difference between BBC1 and ITV1 daytime?

The gap is about the same but both channels usually 0.2-0.4m higher.

I was a just a bit suprised by the fact that if last year Luthor alienated and drove away its core audience that they would come back this year no matter how long it was trailed, if everyone thought it was rubbish last year why would they come back this, it what usually happens isn't it, when the viewers go they often never come back. I should say i'm one of them, didn't like it last year and really rather enjoy it this year, can't say why though it doesn't seem to have actually changed that much.

The question for daytime programmes should possibly be what did they get on an equivalent day last year to see whether they are losing viewers, i'm sure day to day viewing can vary greatly.

great for luther, it'll definetly be recommissoned if possible, hard to see why torchwood won't be filling this slot.
great for home and away on fiver
apprentice should do well tonight against the lewis repeat

I do hope we see more of Luther, this 4 episode series is very short.

The main problem with This Morning is that it is a tired format with poor production values. I understand they have to make money with the inane viewer competition, but repeating it so often is plain annoying. They must struggle to attract new viewers as they don't get the celeb interviews they once did.

Loose Women struggles for different reasons, they get the celebs popping in daily, but some of the panel are so dire (you can't help but compare LW to The View in the US. Again they have to prop up the show with a viewer competition repeated every ad break.

And IMO it's been SO much beter than series 1, I've really enjoyed it, and am gutted it's going to be over so soon.
Idris Elba said on TOS that he was in talks with BBC for producing more projects like Luther, where they give them free scope to try something new. It was a bit vague, so not sure whether he is going to produce stuff for them, or appear in projects like Luther, I wasn't sure what he meant?

Very impressed with Luther's brilliant retention as opposed to the collapse of the first series. It's not often you see something rise from a Holby lead-in, but there's something about the promotional campaign and online fan base that has really lifted this one. I have to say, I was sceptical about bringing it back in the first place - I figured it was just to save face with a feted new drama and a prominent actor.

Hopefully it can come back for a proper run now as it appears it could become one of those 6m weekday series we've been saying BBC One are desperate for.

One thing I think that has also worked in Luthers favour is having it on just once a week. I personally find two parters and stripped drama very time consuming, and of late just don't bother with them. There aren't enough hours to commit to that much TV
A once a week show is a lot easier to commit to, but hey that's probably just me.

It's big enough of a problem, for Broadcast to report on internal concerns releating to Loose Women.


This was published about a week or more before The Sun picked it up.

I suppose Jan-May were exceptionally hot this year


if you actually read the post correctly you'd see grenade and All night both started it.


Thanks for continuing to post the ratings Bushmills, sorry about the Children.

Really, aren't you quite the expert, a few week weeks ago you were celebrating Popstar to Operastars ratings, when many others rightly saw it as diappointment and poor start.
You've been quite about it in recent weeks .

Hardly a celebration saying it did OK and factually stating it was above last years average. Now its gone well below last years, and quite deservingly too, but I take it you've wiped that post from your mind. For future reference, if you're going to pull me up over past posts, at least do a thorough check of my comments on the subject rather than a few posts on day 1 .

Jake- Is a drop of 100k really a "crisis" though? From that very report, the first 5-month averages were:

2009- 1.27m (18.07%)
2010- 1.31m (17.73%)
2011- 1.17m (16.18%)

Now, don't get me wrong, the ratings are down vs. previous years, so obviously there is an issue there. But the decline has been about 100k-140k (8-10%) vs. the last couple of years, which IMO is not really "crisis" levels yet. There's quite a few shows which have lost about 8% of their audiences in the last couple of years - are they all crisis level drops too?

Well, next week it's a Graham Norton repeat, and the week after is an Apprentice special, so no doubt it'll start sooner rather than later. Last year it started around mid-July too. Unless they change the day, natch.

I'd of thought Would I lie to you would be given a primetime slot instead of 10.35 as it got very good ratings in its last run and even the repeats rated quite well

Roll your eyes at me you little child. Ratings usually get picked up and used for propaganda. Just because Broadcast is seen as respected does not make them immune to this. Broadcast charge people to read press releases which are given out for free and for everyone to see for free - more fool them.

You suck up to bush all you want. How dare all of you parade around here thinking you know it all. Just a bunch of stuck up children foaming at the mouth at points up and down without looking at the broader picture because of their own propaganda and snobbery against certain programmes.

Brown nosing one another just to get your hands on some figures is so sad. Why not just save up and subscribe to BARB instead of secretly hiding figures, making statements where others make comment for you to then hand out figures to back up your post which you should have done at the start. No worse than dictatorship country whose only redeeming feature if that they do indeed know their arse from their elbow because one day they will land on either.

Also why am i upset over this? Because i'm having a terrible day. Even McDonald's rejected me for a job - do you know how insulting that is - i have years of work experience and a GCSE in Food Tech. Tesco - so blue they choke the high street to death - rejected me, on what ground i would like to know. "Hello sir, having a good day? Let me get that for you" - i'm sure a day on the job i could have shown them what i have to offer. But no, i'm stuck online searching and applying for every job in my reach and reason but flicker between DS Forum and BBC News to relieve from the misery of an email saying thank you but NO.

You know, you are all lucky i am not PM. I would have access to every TV data known to man that you could only ever dream off. And no, it wouldn't be a dictatorship, a left or right, it would be a sensible thinking way of governing.

Have a good day

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Law & Order: Criminal Intent (USA) - 3.75m (0.9)
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And the fall from grace for the last ever L&O CI.

From a peak of 14m to a 3.6 average. Amazed they even bothered with the final season, especially on an 8 episode run.

Possibly one of the least surprising things I've read: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/...ne-series.html

And this sort of hits nail to head:

Some French ratings:

The first series of The X Factor on channel M6 in France ended yesterday and was a flop in the ratings. Yesterday's final, which was won by a Brit who was actually rejected on our version, was watched by only 2.4m (10.8%). To put that into perspective, the show which was axed last year to make way for TXF, called 'Nouvelle Star' (French Idol) had 3.6m (15.3%) for its finale last year.

The full series of 'X Factor France' averaged 2.6m (11.5%). This was down by 24% from last year's 'Nouvelle Star' average of 3.4m (14.4%). There was no growth during TXF - it began with 3.3m, which was disappointing anyway as it was 500k lower than 'Nouvelle Star' launch, and ratings have dipped since instead of remaining stable or growing. There's now speculation that M6 will axe TXF and bring back Nouvelle Star. Meanwhile channel TF1, which is the biggest broadcaster in France, has picked up the rights to 'The Voice' which will begin in January 2012. And if you're wondering, the most popular TV show in France yesterday was House with 8.2m - they seem to love it over there.

Interesting developments on ITV Press Centre. They actually have slightly different info from what DigiGuide was stating yesterday for the 9pm slots:

Sunday 10th July: Law & Order: UK
Monday 11th July: Strictly Kosher
Thursday 14th July: Single Handed

So it looks like Torchwood will be facing drama competition from both ITV1 and C4 (The Killing). Not sure when Show Me The Funny, which Digiguide said was gonna be on Thursdays, is airing. Strictly Kosher, incidentally, is a one-off documentary about Manchester's Jewish community (sounds like Tuesday flopzone material tbh).

And France has a population of 55 million. The equivalent rating for the Britsh X Factor would be 3 million, which would be a catastrophe for Cowell and ITV and the tabloids would be enjoying the schadenfreude.

Wasn't Single Handed eps 2 hours last year, if so are the Single Handeds two parters this year. I only remember because ep seemed to last forever and were easy to fall asleep to if you weren't careful.

It should be noted that M6 is one of the smaller main channels over there, I think equivalent to something like BBC2/Channel 4. So TXF's ratings were never gonna be as big (or even close) to how they are over here, but they're still pretty disappointing numbers for that channel.


Last series they were bundled to 2-hour episodes each. But this series they're one-hour episodes.

Might Wimbledon and a heatwave have something to do with this. However, This Morning isn't the force it was, but as it's cheap and has its diehard fans, I can't see ITV1 scrapping it even if watching paint dry is more fun.