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Susan Ma - dumb whiny brat
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Cherry-choc
08-07-2011
Susan is very competent... It is the fault of the others for not taking her seriously, as she is usually right.
Button62
08-07-2011
I thnk Susan is tougher than many on here think.

When Jim was trying to belittle her in the boardroom a couple of weeks ago she put him down with ease.

On this week's task she outshone Natasha by a country mile, and I loved their little interchange back at the house. Susan's body language sitting up straight on her stool while Natasha lounged and whined on the sofa was interesting to watch.

I could almost smell the fear from Natasha as the realization dawned that she had severely underestimated Susan.

Susan has not had an easy ride in life, and she is a remarkable businesswoman at the age of 21. Anyone who can pay off her mum's mortgage through her own hard word shouldn't be dismissed as some ditsy airhead or immature child.

Natasha is barking up the wrong tree when she insists on doing this.

Susan will never rant and rave, but she will hopefully chew Natasha up and spit her out next week.
aussie_dave_
08-07-2011
Originally Posted by Button62:
“I thnk Susan is tougher than many on here think.

When Jim was trying to belittle her in the boardroom a couple of weeks ago she put him down with ease.

On this week's task she outshone Natasha by a country mile, and I loved their little interchange back at the house. Susan's body language sitting up straight on her stool while Natasha lounged and whined on the sofa was interesting to watch.

I could almost smell the fear from Natasha as the realization dawned that she had severely underestimated Susan.

Susan has not had an easy ride in life, and she is a remarkable businesswoman at the age of 21. Anyone who can pay off her mum's mortgage through her own hard word shouldn't be dismissed as some ditsy airhead or immature child.

Natasha is barking up the wrong tree when she insists on doing this.

Susan will never rant and rave, but she will hopefully chew Natasha up and spit her out next week.”

Did you not hear the clanging sound Susan made as she walked?

Trust me, she has balls of steel.
jasminetea
08-07-2011
I was so disappointed that Jim didn't confront Natasha (or maybe he did and they didn't show it in the final edit) when she was putting Susan down and blaming her for the failure of the task ... when clearly it was Natasha's inability to understand what they had to do. Don't like Natasha. Hope she goes.

Susan had the right idea, investing money iin more stock (even if it was a punt.. and it was the right kind of gamble). It wasn't Susan's fault she couldn't sell any duvets; she was sent there on an almost impossible task and who's to say Natasha would have done any better?
The Spoon
08-07-2011
Susan came out well in the final 5 edit - taking responsibility for her single-parent mother and having to do most things for her because of language problems. that suggests that she is not a 'whiny brat' in real life. she is certainly not 'dumb' either.

ironically, she might have been better in having a job and being mentored rather than start a business - she would probably make a go of it if she got it, but a few years of working with high-calibre colleagues would round her off. she's not perfect, but she made good calls throughout.
Takae
08-07-2011
Originally Posted by The Spoon:
“Susan came out well in the final 5 edit - taking responsibility for her single-parent mother and having to do most things for her because of language problems. that suggests that she is not a 'whiny brat' in real life. she is certainly not 'dumb' either.

ironically, she might have been better in having a job and being mentored rather than start a business - she would probably make a go of it if she got it, but a few years of working with high-calibre colleagues would round her off. she's not perfect, but she made good calls throughout.”

I have seen this kind of comments last two weeks and I still don't understand. Sugar didn't have mentors nor business experience when he started out, and he was 17. Susan has a similar background to Sugar's but at 21 and such, she has a little more experience than he had.

Why would she need to have a job and be mentored for a few years to round her off? She's proven she was involved with self-employment and business. She's proven she could sell and earn. Aside whether her business plan for Sugar could work, what more could she prove?

Does Jim need mentors for a few years to round him off before he could think about running a business? How about Helen, Tom and Natasha? From what I see, Susan is miles ahead of the others in many areas. I don't understand this idea that she needs hand-holding when she's already a businesswoman in her own right. Her biggest flaw is a couple of her personality traits, but other than that? I'm not being funny. I'm truly curious to know.
Jepson
08-07-2011
Originally Posted by Takae:
“I have seen this kind of comments last two weeks and I still don't understand. Sugar didn't have mentors nor business experience when he started out, and he was 17. Susan has a similar background to Sugar's but at 21 and such, she has a little more experience than he had.

Why would she need to have a job and be mentored for a few years to round her off? She's proven she was involved with self-employment and business. She's proven she could sell and earn. Aside whether her business plan for Sugar could work, what more could she prove?

Does Jim need mentors for a few years to round him off before he could think about running a business? How about Helen, Tom and Natasha? From what I see, Susan is miles ahead of the others in many areas. I don't understand this idea that she needs hand-holding when she's already a businesswoman in her own right. Her biggest flaw is a couple of her personality traits, but other than that? I'm not being funny. I'm truly curious to know.”

Sugar has decades of experience in running companies at all stages of their development.

Over that time he will have built up an enormous list of contacts and, more importantly, know which ones can be trusted.

His experience, advice and contacts will be an significant benefit to whomever wins the prize.
Takae
08-07-2011
Originally Posted by Jepson:
“Sugar has decades of experience in running companies at all stages of their development.

Over that time he will have built up an enormous list of contacts and, more importantly, know which ones can be trusted.

His experience, advice and contacts will be an significant benefit to whomever wins the prize.”

My point is, why are people so focused on Susan's youth when there are many, including Sugar, who started businesses of their own at young ages.
kevsman
08-07-2011
Originally Posted by Takae:
“My point is, why are people so focused on Susan's youth when there are many, including Sugar, who started businesses of their own at young ages.”

I think the point a lot of people are missing is that while Susan and LAS both started a business at a young age.

Susan did it WHILST in full time education, doing a degree, something LAS didn't do.
aussie_dave_
08-07-2011
Originally Posted by Takae:
“My point is, why are people so focused on Susan's youth when there are many, including Sugar, who started businesses of their own at young ages.”

This is how I see it.

If you're in the competition then youre old enough to win the prize.

So Susan should stop using the excuse when it suits and other people shouldnt use it against her either.

If the producers and Lord Alan thought she was good enough to be in the process then any talk of age should be left at the door. Not used as your back up plan when needed.

If Susan uses the excuse that she's still young, well fine ....... get out and come back in 5 years time then love.
kevsman
08-07-2011
Originally Posted by aussie_dave_:
“This is how I see it.

If you're in the competition then youre old enough to win the prize.

So Susan should stop using the excuse when it suits and other people shouldnt use it against her either.

If the producers and Lord Alan thought she was good enough to be in the process then any talk of age should be left at the door. Not used as your back up plan when needed.

If Susan uses the excuse that she's still young, well fine ....... get out and come back in 5 years time then love.”


I don't think she uses her age as an excuse, rather she uses her age as an advantage to show off what she has achieved that the others hadn't at 21.

I've never heard her say, "I'm only young, I can't do this"

Rather I've heard her say "I've achieved more than you at 21 than you have at 30, thus I should stay and you should get fired" - and that worked for her in the boardroom.
Jepson
08-07-2011
Originally Posted by aussie_dave_:
“This is how I see it.

If you're in the competition then youre old enough to win the prize.

So Susan should stop using the excuse when it suits and other people shouldnt use it against her either.

If the producers and Lord Alan thought she was good enough to be in the process then any talk of age should be left at the door. Not used as your back up plan when needed.”

If Susan were using this every five minutes as the face chewing Wotherspoon person did I'd agree with you. But she doesn't.

She's entitled to mention it once or twice because, like it or not, it is a factor to be considered.

Only an idiot treats everybody the same regardless of factors that significantly affect their performance. Particularly when those factors are likely to be transient as are age related ones.
Annsyre
08-07-2011
Originally Posted by The Spoon:
“Susan came out well in the final 5 edit - taking responsibility for her single-parent mother and having to do most things for her because of language problems. that suggests that she is not a 'whiny brat' in real life. she is certainly not 'dumb' either.

ironically, she might have been better in having a job and being mentored rather than start a business - she would probably make a go of it if she got it, but a few years of working with high-calibre colleagues would round her off. she's not perfect, but she made good calls throughout.”

I was really impressed with her back story - she has my admiration for damned hard work - and has really gone up in my estimation.
Button62
08-07-2011
I think we will see a new Susan next week.

She calmly put Natasha back in her place and made her realise that she is wise to her game plan, then walked away with dignity.

For someone so young she has achieved so much, and I think her edit as the " ditsy daft kid " has been leading us all up the garden path.

I believe most of her " Susanisms " can be put down to the fact that English is not her first language.

I firmly hope that the Asian tiger will roar next week and Natasha and her weaknesses will be revealed.
Takae
08-07-2011
Originally Posted by kevsman:
“I don't think she uses her age as an excuse, rather she uses her age as an advantage to show off what she has achieved that the others hadn't at 21.

I've never heard her say, "I'm only young, I can't do this"

Rather I've heard her say "I've achieved more than you at 21 than you have at 30, thus I should stay and you should get fired" - and that worked for her in the boardroom.”

That's how I saw it as well.
marvola45
08-07-2011
Originally Posted by kevsman:
“I don't think she uses her age as an excuse, rather she uses her age as an advantage to show off what she has achieved that the others hadn't at 21.

I've never heard her say, "I'm only young, I can't do this"

Rather I've heard her say "I've achieved more than you at 21 than you have at 30, thus I should stay and you should get fired" - and that worked for her in the boardroom.”

Exactly.

She also brought up her age when she said she was believed it was a factor in why the other candidates were dismissive towards her. But she's never used it to excuse anything.
dogcatrabbit
08-07-2011
She may have referred to it once or twice, and used it as a relevant argument against other people - but the fact is, she hasn't made an issue of her age. It's just people here trying to make it out that she has.

To be honest, she's a typical example of the 'hard working Asian' -

By Asian, I mean of Chinese, Japanese, Korean etc stock, of course!. For some reason, in the UK there are mixed interpretations of what Asian is - some refer it to Indian stock - Bizarre, as the rest of the world (including the US and Asia) it refers to Oriental people.
Jepson
08-07-2011
Originally Posted by dogcatrabbit:
“By Asian, I mean of Chinese, Japanese, Korean etc stock, of course!. For some reason, in the UK there are mixed interpretations of what Asian is - some refer it to Indian stock - Bizarre, as the rest of the world (including the US and Asia) it refers to Oriental people.”

That's because this is Britain and the rest of the world is the rest of the world.

You'll notice that there are many words that mean one thing here and something else elsewhere.

The historical reason for it is that we have had a lot of immigration from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, and as it's impossible to accurately determine which of these countries someone comes from by appearance it was easier and more polite to use the term Asian - which is, actually, correct. Those countries are part of the continent of Asia.
Zoltan Smith
08-07-2011
The girl is as thick as mince as was ably demonstrated in the last ep
Jepson
08-07-2011
Originally Posted by Zoltan Smith:
“The girl is as thick as mince as was ably demonstrated in the last ep”

For just about any task I'd chose her over the some of the sad obsessives who like to spend their lives posting negative junk about various candidates on internet forums.
Shrike
08-07-2011
Originally Posted by Zoltan Smith:
“The girl is as thick as mince as was ably demonstrated in the last ep”

Yeah - buying bracelets for £1.50 and selling them for £5.00 is sooo stoopid
Jepson
08-07-2011
Originally Posted by Shrike:
“Yeah - buying bracelets for £1.50 and selling them for £5.00 is sooo stoopid”

It does make you wonder about the mental capabilities of someone who would categorise her in that manner after seeing her do that and already knowing that she had been selected from over 30000 to take part in the process and had seen off 11 other candidates.

Possibly not the sharpest of knives in the drawer?
Tourista
08-07-2011
Originally Posted by Zoltan Smith:
“The girl is as thick as mince as was ably demonstrated in the last ep”

Oh, by thick you mean "won the task in spite of a poor project manager" do you?.
brangdon
08-07-2011
Originally Posted by DavetheScot:
“Odd that some continue to maintain that Susan's sales were poorer than the rest of the team when there's really no evidence for this.”

Well, the evidence is that Susan had sold less than Edna at 3pm, and is generally shown in the edit as struggling with sales. It may not be compelling evidence (Jepson argues that the numbers were not statistically significant), but it is evidence, and it's all we have to go on.

(Did you write "evidence" when you meant "proof"?)
Paace
08-07-2011
I like Susan and more so after hearing about the appalling bullying she suffered as a school kid . Why are children of school age so nasty to anyone who is seen as different .

But putting on a cold business head she is far too naive in business and dealing with people, and over the weeks she's made far too many really silly mistakes. Was it her choice to go to the most expensive area of London with millionaire's houses and maids and try and sell her goods and waste all that time?

I wouldn't mind if she won but I can't see a grizzled old hard boiled guy like LS going into partnership with such a naive and inexperienced person.
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