How do you know that, presumably the tuners could still be continously updating the cached epg in the background. ?

Had enough of this so far you and another poster have made claims that I can't repeat, nor I suspect can anyone else.

If it does then theres no need to a full re download every time you enter the EPG.

Precisely, the only time you need to download a new one is when you are starting from scratch with a blank one.

You just need to enter the epg a different way if not recording.

Im glad you agree with me, so why does the box do it when you press guide, which 99% of people will do when they want to select a recording.

As for my problem, it was a one off, I cant reproduce it so I dont expect it to get fixed unlike half a dozen other major issues that are repeatable.

By your own comment, you said you initiated a new epg, thus flushing the buffer and exited the epg before it had fully populated. So your so called bug is in fact user error. The box would have to be ultra idiot proof (draw your own conclusions ). The only way I can see is stop you exiting after pressing guide, I can imagine the comments. Given enough time presumably the epg would have caught up anyway.

Just ha a 30 minute power cut (Water board hit a cable) I will stick with V15 thank you. It has zero downsides for me and being selfish that's all I care about

It was only initiated while I was watching a program so shouldnt have downloaded anyway. I left it for minutes and it didnt catch up.

If someone had a car that wouldnt turn right, youd tell them it was their own fault and they should turn left 3 times instead of wanting it fixed.

As I said before your box has bugs that nobody else can reproduce, may be faulty box, faulty installation or local conditions who knows. There's a load of potential reasons entirely Humax unrelated why you have problems with downloading a new epg. My box paired with my dish and it's lnb consistantly takes 40 seconds for a full download.

If you can't even reproduce them how the hell can you expect someone to fix them. You know how to use the box without problems either do so or stopp winging about nothing.

Most impressed that it got fixed in half a hour.

This is the 1st bug that hasnt been reproduced and i even admitted that and said I dont expect it to be fixed, everyone else has the same problems with all the other bugs, you just ignore them and blame the user.

I do however not expect the box to get worse and for them to ignore bugs theyve known about for over a year.

I beg your pardon????????? A simple workaround, that was mentioned right near the beginning of the thread re the guide button.

Personally, I don't consider that issue to be a bug.

A friend , aged 75, didn't even notice the delay in the guide populating after pressing the button. He isn't bothered about it, he just looks through the listings, as he always does. A very satisfied customer, as am I.

As an aside, If you had ever used an older Sky+ box, that is forever searching for listings when you go into the TV Guide. They never sorted that out until HD+.

No Digi-box is perfect. If the Foxsat is as bad as you say, why keep it. I doubt if Humax will change anything. Why should they. It works.

This is getting so boring after 209 posts. Like Graham I am nearly 70. I can cope without a second thought.

Hasn't this EPG thing got completely out of proportion?

I had hoped that sometime we'd see a firmware update to address some of the more maddening issues like
1) If you decide part way through a program that you want to record it but have already time-slipped, recording can only start from the current real-time
2) If you are watching something that you are recording and are in time-slip, then when that program ends, you are automatically fast-forwarded to real time.

The combination of these two is infuriating because the workaround for 1) is to record everything from the start (and given how ultra-clunky the delete function is, that is a real bore). However, if you use that workaround, you run in to the problem of 2)

I know it's free, but the box wasn't: and AFAIK it doesn't do even the basic things acceptably, however sophisticated its more advanced abilities might be.

I think, and I hate to say this, that one day I'm gonna have to get round to going back to Sky+, which did everything I need seamlessly.

C'mon Humax: you could have a real winner here if you could only see that the bar is raised higher than your sights.

My 2 cents.

1) No chance of them doing it.
2) according to the fanbois on here, thats not a problem and its working as designed!

If that's the case then I guess Humax wants to carve a niche as the satellite service for people with soldering irons. Are their Freeview boxes this terrible I wonder?

it all depends on how you delete programmes - At the end of watching something during the credits I press OK and select delete. Wis wrong with that?

Good job he didnt get it earlier when we couldnt delete while recording and had to manually delete every folder.

Automatic deleting of the empty folder was one of the things I complained to bobcat and one of the few things they actually improved.

OK this morning I brought the HDR out of standby to finish watching a prog from last night, while I was watching I was pressed guide to see what's on this evening, but I cannot set a reservation (recieving broadcast info) and I still can't set anything from schedule red. So what is the point of it downloading a full epg at 3am if I can't access it 7am?

Yes, I was just coming back to this thread to reply to myself and say that I was wrong, but you've already done it

Starting with a virtually empty EPG, it populates the whole lot (with times+titles at least) in about 40 seconds. I'm not sure the datarate on the Freesat home transponder was always so great, but it certainly is now.

Cheers,
David.

I don't think "terrible" is a fair description at all. While I'm hardly a fanboy, even I'm beginning to wish people would calm down. It's possible to make a fair and reasoned comparison between different PVRs without resorting to "oh well all PVRs have their issues so this one can't possibly be any worse than any other" or "this is terrible".

AFAICT none of the other UK Humax products are any better than the HDR, and some have (far) more quirks. e.g. I've seen some users report a pretty catastrophic failure with the new software for their T2 box, but assume that's fixed / being fixed. Wrong forum to discuss this!

If there's a trend with Humax, it's that serious bugs take three to six months to fix, moderate bugs take one or two years to be fixed, and minor bugs get ignored. So after about two years, it's as good as it's going to get.

To be fair, this seems to apply to some other manufacturers, but not all. Some just give up on the product leaving serious bugs (e.g. Harvard), while yet others support it for five years or more (e.g. Echostar). Some take different attitudes to different products, sometimes to both extremes (e.g. Panasonic).


I've gleaned all this from reading threads on here. You should try it.

Cheers,
David.

On v1.00.13 it's was always about 10 seconds quicker. Not sure without going back if it's down to the firmware change or a change to the actual epg data stream.

It could be more rigourous data checking on the new firmware y, to be honest it's not worth the effort of going back to find out.

As it happens.. i have not used my humax Guide since their accidental change to it's previous configuration..
I now switch on the Panny TV and press Guide on that..
I then can press BLUE and can immediately see all the HD channels if i wish or even any of 3 sets of FAVS which are so easliy compiled and sorted..and yet i never did understand the Humax ones after 2 years..Strange or not?
Then ..on what is after all a TV.. i can then programmme or watch in every way as if it were a fully fledged single channel recorder after Searching if i wish thru the future 7 days various genres..
I clear out the media folders on the hUmax perhaps once a week..

I notice now that the EPG "45 second" delay issue has been resolved,and recordings can be set instantly.
Thanks Humax.

Mine is still 45 seconds delay..
Perhaps they are tailoring yours specifically

You were probably recording at the time.

No need for your sarcasm!!
I have just checked again,and Iam NOT getting the delay.
additionally when using the guide button there always used to be a long delay before image and audio kicked in that has now been resolved.