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The village that doesnt make sense
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sebbie3000
15-06-2011
Originally Posted by MinkytheDog:
“There's no "e" in Bridgnorth (and it is a lovely town with a ton of history plus the fabulous trains)

I must admit, I'd taken "Upper Leadworth" as being a Dream Lord invention - this posh part of the village with a castle and only populated by old people - but I see that tardis-wiki is saying that it may be a dream but could also be just a part of the village that we hadn't seen. I would, however, say that it would be extremely unusual for a village to have two churches - so it doesn't feel "real" to me.

Incidentally, "Upper Leadworth" was filmed in a beautiful village just down the road from where I live - Skenfrith. It really is as fabulously olde worlde (and posh) as it looks on screen. I think that the only thing they changed for the show was to add the swings next to the castle.”

I stand corrected! Oops...
MinkytheDog
15-06-2011
Originally Posted by sebbie3000:
“I stand corrected! Oops...”

Shame on you.

(It's only cos Bridgnorth was on Restaurant Inspector a couple of nights ago - it does look funny seeing it written down with no "e")
sebbie3000
15-06-2011
Originally Posted by MinkytheDog:
“Shame on you.

(It's only cos Bridgnorth was on Restaurant Inspector a couple of nights ago - it does look funny seeing it written down with no "e")”

And it was a fair few years ago... I think 9(ish).

I've moved around a lot!

but it really is beautiful there.

What was the restaurant called? I used to work in the restaurant on East Castle Street.
Granny McSmith
15-06-2011
Originally Posted by rostaria:
“As someone who lives in Somerset in tiny hamlet called Cannards Grave I find it hard to live in the country. I was born and raised in Manchester so its a bit of a culture shock for me really. I still cant get used to (even after three years of living here) waiting an hour for a bus (which is half an hour away) or walking half an hour to the nearest shop.

I agree the scenery is wonderfully breathe taking sometimes. I mean the sunsets and the fact that at night I can look up at the sky and see loads of stars especially my favorite constellation Orion makes it worth my while.”

I was brought up in Manchester, but couldn't wait to leave. I've lived in the country for 40 years so I'm used to it by now. However, shop and transport-wise, things have definitely got worse.

I too love Orion. On a clear night I look out of my window and there he is, striding across the sky as if he owns it.
MinkytheDog
15-06-2011
Originally Posted by sebbie3000:
“What was the restaurant called? I used to work in the restaurant on East Castle Street.”

It was called Bambers - in St Mary's Street. I think it had been a restaurant for quite a while but the current owner/chef had only been there a short while.
sebbie3000
15-06-2011
Originally Posted by MinkytheDog:
“It was called Bambers - in St Mary's Street. I think it had been a restaurant for quite a while but the current owner/chef had only been there a short while.”

The one I used to work in (well, manage the bar...) was The Habit. Lovely, high-end grub!

I kinda miss it now...
Deserana 12
15-06-2011
There must be something unusual about it I mean if all this newspaper stuff is true as well as The Dream Lord calling it "the village that time forgot" although I don't think the village has been mentioned at all this eries has it?
rostaria
15-06-2011
Originally Posted by Deserana 12:
“There must be something unusual about it I mean if all this newspaper stuff is true as well as The Dream Lord calling it "the village that time forgot" although I don't think the village has been mentioned at all this eries has it?”

There was a small scene at the beginning of episode 1 where Amy and Rory were at their home and the envelope (if you really,really squint) says Leadworth.
sebbie3000
16-06-2011
Originally Posted by Deserana 12:
“There must be something unusual about it I mean if all this newspaper stuff is true as well as The Dream Lord calling it "the village that time forgot" although I don't think the village has been mentioned at all this eries has it?”

Must be? There's only tenuous evidence (at best) to suggest the place is anything other than a normal village.

The Dreamlord was just part of the Doctor so anything the Doctor has seen, so would the Dreamlord. There's no significance to it!

And the phrase: "...that time forgot" is a very common phrase (or at least it used to be) to suggest a place is old-fashioned.

I don't see Leadworth as being anything other than Amy and Rory's home village - not from any particular 'evidence' so far, anyway.
tingramretro
16-06-2011
Originally Posted by Deserana 12:
“There must be something unusual about it I mean if all this newspaper stuff is true as well as The Dream Lord calling it "the village that time forgot" although I don't think the village has been mentioned at all this eries has it?”

'The village that time forgot' was just a disparaging phrase suggesting that Leadworth is old fashioned and a bit dull. The 'that time forgot' bit is a fairly common phrase, taken from the 1975 movie The Land That Time Forgot.
nebogipfel
16-06-2011
Originally Posted by Deserana 12:
“There must be something unusual about it I mean if all this newspaper stuff is true as well as The Dream Lord calling it "the village that time forgot" although I don't think the village has been mentioned at all this eries has it?”

Do you mean that newspaper headlines from the 1990's were in a newsagent shop in 2008? I expect it was a production error. It seems someone told someone that part of the story was set in the 90's. Which it was. But those scenes were just house and garden. (either that or the mistake on Rory's pass really was a missed clue. Please god no. I have staked my reputation on that being production error Perhaps it is lucky that my reputation is worth diddly squat.)
MinkytheDog
16-06-2011
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“The 'that time forgot' bit is a fairly common phrase, taken from the 1975 movie The Land That Time Forgot.”

From the serial and book surely - Edgar Rice Burroughs (of Tarzan fame) wrote it in 1918.
sebbie3000
16-06-2011
Originally Posted by nebogipfel:
“Do you mean that newspaper headlines from the 1990's were in a newsagent shop in 2008? I expect it was a production error. It seems someone told someone that part of the story was set in the 90's. Which it was. But those scenes were just house and garden. (either that or the mistake on Rory's pass really was a missed clue. Please god no. I have staked my reputation on that being production error Perhaps it is lucky that my reputation is worth diddly squat.)”

Me too!

And me, too...
bugloss
16-06-2011
where's this newspaper heading, then? Otherwise i'm going to have to rearrange my Whowatch schedule

I missed the nametag thing, but I picked up on Rory having to explain that his phone also took pictures. Odd. Amy anachronistic phone was also a plot device in TIA.........

my theory is that the messing up with Time that the "other TARDIS" causes, first seem in The Lodger, and a big feature this Season is going to get out of control, and we'll end up with a finale where multiple times coexist....Romans, Winston Churchill etc
MinkytheDog
16-06-2011
Originally Posted by bugloss:
“where's this newspaper heading, then? Otherwise i'm going to have to rearrange my Whowatch schedule ”

Quite right.

There's a whole lot of "you can see so and so" in this thread but no mention of which episode or where. Since the entire section of "Amy's Choice" that was set in Leadworth was a dream, it's hardly sensible to suggest that anything shown in there is proof of anything being wrong with the real-World Leadworth and the other episodes that have been set in the Village have jumped between various times - 1996, 2008 and 2010.
sebbie3000
16-06-2011
Originally Posted by bugloss:
“where's this newspaper heading, then? Otherwise i'm going to have to rearrange my Whowatch schedule

I missed the nametag thing, but I picked up on Rory having to explain that his phone also took pictures. Odd. Amy anachronistic phone was also a plot device in TIA.........

my theory is that the messing up with Time that the "other TARDIS" causes, first seem in The Lodger, and a big feature this Season is going to get out of control, and we'll end up with a finale where multiple times coexist....Romans, Winston Churchill etc”

In 2008, phones took pictures. Nothing odd in that.

He felt he had to explain it to the Doctor (who might not have known about cameraphones).

Nothing anachronistic in that at all.

Also, 'the other TARDIS' wasn't a TARIDS. And we saw it in The Day of the Moon.
nebogipfel
16-06-2011
I had assumed the references to the newspaper were from The Eleventh Hour. The Dream Lord episode by definition is a discard, as his honour Minky rightly points out.

The wrong date on his pass was from eleventh hour and must have been production error because sebbie says so and I hold his reputation in these matters as highly as I do my own.
zz9
16-06-2011
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“'The village that time forgot' was just a disparaging phrase suggesting that Leadworth is old fashioned and a bit dull. The 'that time forgot' bit is a fairly common phrase, taken from the 1975 movie The Land That Time Forgot.”

Every single line, every word, has been agonised over for hours, days even, by the writer. And then discussed at length by producers and so on. Characters don't "just happen to say something", every line is there for a reason. To advance the plot, explain backstory, show motivation, be funny, or preferably a combination of several reasons.

If there is no apparent reason for that saying to have been said, if it wasn't important to the plot, then there must be another reason which we don't know about yet. Lines don't just "happen" to get said. That would be like a F1 racing car designer unveiling their latest model and someone asking "Why does it have a cigarette lighter?" and the designer saying "Oh, no reason...."

Same with the date on Rory's badge and the extra flight of stairs in Amy's house. They were put there for a reason. We just don't know it yet...
johnnysaucepn
16-06-2011
Originally Posted by sebbie3000:
“In 2008, phones took pictures. Nothing odd in that.

He felt he had to explain it to the Doctor (who might not have known about cameraphones).”

Now, do you mean the doctor, or The Doctor? Because I get the impression that he only mentioned it to the doctor to indicate that it's the pictures that are important, not the ability to make calls. And I don't think he would have expected any less from The Doctor either, since at that point he didn't know that he was a time traveller or an alien.
nebogipfel
16-06-2011
Yes and the specific reason "the village that time forgot" was deliberately put into the script for a very good reason was...Exactly what ting said.
sebbie3000
16-06-2011
Originally Posted by zz9:
“Every single line, every word, has been agonised over for hours, days even, by the writer. And then discussed at length by producers and so on. Characters don't "just happen to say something", every line is there for a reason. To advance the plot, explain backstory, show motivation, be funny, or preferably a combination of several reasons.

If there is no apparent reason for that saying to have been said, if it wasn't important to the plot, then there must be another reason which we don't know about yet. Lines don't just "happen" to get said. That would be like a F1 racing car designer unveiling their latest model and someone asking "Why does it have a cigarette lighter?" and the designer saying "Oh, no reason...."

Same with the date on Rory's badge and the extra flight of stairs in Amy's house. They were put there for a reason. We just don't know it yet...”

Not that 'flight of stairs' argument again...

*facepalm*

And you're half right with what you said - yes, every line was considered and written carefully. But it would be mental to suggest that every single line in the dialogue was heavy with meaning... That wouldn't be possible. The writers'd go mad themselves trying to tie everything up like that.

Yes, everything has its place, but having a well-known phrase in the script is more than likely there as a colourful part of a character's language. Nothing more...
sebbie3000
16-06-2011
Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn:
“Now, do you mean the doctor, or The Doctor? Because I get the impression that he only mentioned it to the doctor to indicate that it's the pictures that are important, not the ability to make calls. And I don't think he would have expected any less from The Doctor either, since at that point he didn't know that he was a time traveller or an alien.”

Either way, it wasn't due to the phone being anachronistic...
johnnysaucepn
16-06-2011
Originally Posted by zz9:
“Every single line, every word, has been agonised over for hours, days even, by the writer. And then discussed at length by producers and so on. Characters don't "just happen to say something", every line is there for a reason. To advance the plot, explain backstory, show motivation, be funny, or preferably a combination of several reasons.”

Oh, I wish that were true. Sometimes, lines are written on the back of napkins while at lunch during shooting. Sometimes they're improvised.

Anyway... "The village that time forgot" is a disparagement, you just need to hear the way he says it in disgust. Time moves things on, modernises, evolves, develops. Something left behind by time does none of these things.

It's set up as a contrast to the TARDIS, which uses time as it's plaything. Amy could have either all of time and space, or a village that doesn't even change.
sebbie3000
16-06-2011
Originally Posted by nebogipfel:
“Yes and the specific reason "the village that time forgot" was deliberately put into the script for a very good reason was...Exactly what ting said.”

And me! I said it in the post above his...
nebogipfel
16-06-2011
Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn:
“Now, do you mean the doctor, or The Doctor? Because I get the impression that he only mentioned it to the doctor to indicate that it's the pictures that are important, not the ability to make calls. And I don't think he would have expected any less from The Doctor either, since at that point he didn't know that he was a time traveller or an alien.”

The Doctor asked him why he, alone, was looking at and taking photos of the otherwise ordinary bloke with a dog. Instead of the eye in the sky. I think (really must buy a dvd of this stuff one day)

Nothing to do with explaining the current level of consumer electronics
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