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I think Jim is being unfairly portrayed as a villain.
I think Jim is being unfairly portrayed as a villain.
Although what can you expect? As this is a show primarily for entertainment. Discuss... and feel free to disagree... |
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I think it's Susan who's suffering from bad editing myself. She's so spot-on with so many observations and is being seriously bullied possibly because of her age and stature. (I did say 'possibly' so please don't jump down my throat
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Yes and no.
I think there is some talent there but Jim's not channeling it effectively. Some successful negotiation in early weeks has gone to his head a bit I reckon and has made him stubborn. He now won't budge on any deal - we saw evidence of that last week when he was quite aggressive whilst negotiating with the builder (and got nowhere), and again tonight when he was completely inflexible during the initial pitch. Other than that, I think Jim is a do-er, he's perceptive and he can manipulate people (which can be a good and a bad thing). |
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He is being portrayed as a villain, but not a nasty one like Katie Hopkins or Jenny C... Jim just seems to have more nerve or cheek or something than any other candidate. It's actually very entertaining to watch.
Like this week 'Zoe came up with the name' as if it's her fault compared to two weeks ago 'I just came up with the name' as if it's Vincent's fault for backing him. And 'I don't think you should choose me' to 'PMs decision is final, Glenn!' |
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I think it's Susan who's suffering from bad editing myself. She's so spot-on with so many observations and is being seriously bullied possibly because of her age and stature. (I did say 'possibly' so please don't jump down my throat
)I agree with you Susan really gets these tasks. She has flashes of perception, but lacks the confidence to force the issue. I think this is shown in the editing, though. And I love Jim. |
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I think it's Susan who's suffering from bad editing myself. She's so spot-on with so many observations and is being seriously bullied possibly because of her age and stature. (I did say 'possibly' so please don't jump down my throat
)I thought that she done really well in the boardroom this week and stood her ground. But she now has to be PM and be more authorative and positive and also do a pitch at some point! I think that for a 21 year old she is great and I really do want her to come out of her shell now! |
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Isn't it awful when someone you really like starts to become hated (If only by the audience of The Apprentice You're Hired.)
I love Jim, but fear he's going to crash and burn.
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Yes and no.
I think there is some talent there but Jim's not channeling it effectively. Some successful negotiation in early weeks has gone to his head a bit I reckon and has made him stubborn. He now won't budge on any deal - we saw evidence of that last week when he was quite aggressive whilst negotiating with the builder (and got nowhere), and again tonight when he was completely inflexible during the initial pitch. Other than that, I think Jim is a do-er, he's perceptive and he can manipulate people (which can be a good and a bad thing). |
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I agree with you
Susan really gets these tasks. She has flashes of perception, but lacks the confidence to force the issue. I think this is shown in the editing, though. And I love Jim. |
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Yes, I totally agree! Jim started off great but he has got stubborn and thinks that hes always right. I think that Jim needs to revert back to how he was in the beginning!
I was looking at the body language of the woman they pitched to (who appeared on You're Fired), and it was much more positive when Jim was presenting to her, than when Natasha was. He has a somewhat hypnotic effect on people. |
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I love Jims articulate manipulative ramblings. After hearing him go on and on throughout episodes I find myself thinking in his voice and accent after!
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I don't think so. I find him very arrogant and condescending. Quite childish too with all the name calling towards Susan, made especially annoying by the fact he seems to get everything wrong but is too self absorbed to notice.
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Yes and no.
I think there is some talent there but Jim's not channeling it effectively. Some successful negotiation in early weeks has gone to his head a bit I reckon and has made him stubborn. He now won't budge on any deal - we saw evidence of that last week when he was quite aggressive whilst negotiating with the builder (and got nowhere), and again tonight when he was completely inflexible during the initial pitch. Other than that, I think Jim is a do-er, he's perceptive and he can manipulate people (which can be a good and a bad thing). I think that Dara's early labelling him as 'Jedi Jim', and particularly the mob psychology of you're fired this evening + the commedienne calling him evil is just building up an unfair reputation of him. Although maybe I'm just reading into it too much |
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I don't think so. I find him very arrogant and condescending. Quite childish too with all the name calling towards Susan, made especially annoying by the fact he seems to get everything wrong but is too self absorbed to notice.
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I agree with you
Susan really gets these tasks. She has flashes of perception, but lacks the confidence to force the issue. I think this is shown in the editing, though. And I love Jim. She reminds me of Lorraine - series 5. Heard when she is wrong and ignored when she is right. |
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I agree. I don't think he's very talented and he has a horrible personality.
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I think it is true that Susan often doesn't get her voice heard when she is right, but the amount of times (particularly in earlier tasks - not so much now) she has got it wrong has dwindled her confidence.
She reminds me of Lorraine - series 5. Heard when she is wrong and ignored when she is right. |
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He's definitely talented - his negotiation skills at the beggining were far better than anyone elses - the reason why he failed negotiations the last few tasks is due more to not understanding the market. Also his very eloquent with answering questions on the spot.... as he did after Leons awful pitch in the app task, and also in answering questions in this tasks. You may not like him personally, but talented, he is.
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She reminds me of Lorraine - series 5. Heard when she is wrong and ignored when she is right.
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He's definitely talented - his negotiation skills at the beggining were far better than anyone elses - the reason why he failed negotiations the last few tasks is due more to not understanding the market. Also his very eloquent with answering questions on the spot.... as he did after Leons awful pitch in the app task, and also in answering questions in this tasks. You may not like him personally, but talented, he is.
Jim was very, very lucky not to have gone tonight and I think that Sir Alan only kept him there for another couple of weeks for pure entertainment and he knew that Glen would not fit in with his organisation anyway! |
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Tom will enjoy his portrayal, it will stand him in good stead for future jobs with a high profile.
However I would like to see a nicer, softer side to Tom before he gets the elbow. |
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I think that in the early task he was spot on but tonight he was way off the mark and did not get the task at all. As much as I dont like Zoe, she was right about the Hip being taken completely differently to what Jim realised and Jim lost the connection completeley and made it too old fashioned and his negotiations were shocking with Susan telling him that he should slash his prices. But wouldn't out of stubborness!
Jim was very, very lucky not to have gone tonight and I think that Sir Alan only kept him there for another couple of weeks for pure entertainment and he knew that Glen would not fit in with his organisation anyway!
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Yes I totally agree with you and think that you are spot on. Susan has disagreed with many things in the last few weeks but the others do shout her down and I agree that I think that they do it because she is the youngest and they think that they will get away with pushing her around and making her the scapegoat! I am so glad that Nick backed her up this week and repeated what she had said about Jim having to cut his prices. Jim really tried to lie himself out of that fact!
I thought that she done really well in the boardroom this week and stood her ground. But she now has to be PM and be more authorative and positive and also do a pitch at some point! I think that for a 21 year old she is great and I really do want her to come out of her shell now! |
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He has made more poor decisions than good ones. His negotiation skills certainly let him down this week.
He completely failed to read the signals he was being given by the first agency as he was so focused on getting his own way- a very poor negotiator imo and he doesn't half think highly of himself despite the fact that he has splinters in his arse from sitting on the fence so he cant be blamed for anything. |
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I completely agree. I think Jim is only there for entertainment. It will certainly make good telly when he gets ripped apart in the interview process. Glen didn't deserve to go. I was surprised to see Jim attempt to get away with bare faced lies. "I realised the potential in cutting our prices and decided to discuss this with the team. Susie, you didn't say anything about that, it was all me!"
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