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In the second UK series, Paul had 6 wins out of 10, including both times as PM, and stayed out of the boardroom when he lost, so the interviews round was the first time Lord Sugar got to talk with him properly. He was summarily fired.
In the American version, some of the winning treats are a meal with Trump. Although a bit lame, I think they are a good thing to give the winners a chance to spend some time with the boss. You can't win if Sugar doesn't know who you are. Impressive when she was up aganist 17 other people |
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It's pretty obvious by now that Helen, Tom and Susan are by far the strongest candidates and will, baring some major upset, make it to the interviews.
Who will be the fourth, though? After last night's boardroom debacle with Sugar appearing to have Jim marked out as this year's Wotherspoon/Sophocles/Baggs, it look as if he may be the one, as I'm sure it will keep people watching just so that they will see him finally get his comeuppance. But if not, who will be the other? |
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Kendra the winner of season 3 usa never faced the boardroom and won 3 times.
Impressive when she was up aganist 17 other people |
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I think Jim will be kept in to the interview stage because the TV entertainment value of Sugar's rottweilers tearing him to shreds will be too much of a temptation for the producers to miss.
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i can see that but, if he stays, someone else has to be sacrificed again. Zoe looks like a Clare and Debra like character and those tend to stay too. But he can't have either of them in the last 4 unless he sends one of Tom or Susan or Melody or Helen home - the inventor, the bright young thing, the choice of Global leaders and the competent smart female.
![]() If, as I suspect, he'd pretty much made his decision (probably down to two candidates) before the series started, based on the business plans, he probably wouldn't have a problem with losing one of those four. |
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Quite right. But the judges meaning the agencies based it on that. Both mags were rubbish, their money for the ads was based on market gap.
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I think Jim will be kept in to the interview stage because the TV entertainment value of Sugar's rottweilers tearing him to shreds will be too much of a temptation for the producers to miss.
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Market share is the only part. Perhaps you can tell us what else. True it has to be a market who will read the magazine (take it home) and buy (meaning have money) as well.
Do you really think Jim's magazine was any better than the lads mag. LS couldnt find anything right with it but he could in the lads mag. And he is over 60. The only reason the two agencies offered more was because of market gap. Jim lost the task because the agency wanted to 'ditch' him. Have you ever heard of an agency buying up a whole magazine before even having a 'proper' issue. I have a feeling that maybe the tasks are somehow geared to what the contestants say their business would be with LS. And LS is trying them out. Or what he would like the business to be. I agree that LS would prefer to tear someone to pieces himself rather than get others to do it. Tearing someone to pieces is only if you can find he lied somewhere on his CV. I dont think Jim has done that. The real problem here as others have noticed is that the cast the candidates are just 'wrong'. I have seen most series and almost everyone in them was better than anyone here. Maybe it would be a good idea to have someone from a previous series, even if he wont win just to liven them up. And like Nick and Karen to also join them and help them on their tasks. |
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Market share is the only part. Perhaps you can tell us what else.
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Do you really think Jim's magazine was any better than the lads mag.
I didn't say that. But the travel article was good, and the lads mag was sleazy.Quote:
The only reason the two agencies offered more was because of market gap.
And because they got a reasonable discount. They could charge their clients list price, or even 10% below, and still make money.Quote:
Have you ever heard of an agency buying up a whole magazine before even having a 'proper' issue.
I don't work in that industry. They did expect to get a lot for their money.Quote:
I have a feeling that maybe the tasks are somehow geared to what the contestants say their business would be with LS.
I think they are geared more towards start-ups in general, than in previous years. I doubt any candidate has been favoured with tasks specifically aimed at them (although sometimes they get lucky, as with Susan and the beauty task).Quote:
And LS is trying them out. Or what he would like the business to be.
I think the tasks are too unrealistic for that. With a possible exception of the final.Quote:
I have seen most series and almost everyone in them was better than anyone here.
My impression is the opposite: these candidates are stronger on average. That's why it's been less entertaining for some. There have been fewer huge cockups. The teams have had close results. Consider people like Shibby and Melissa on the bread task last year, completely failing to deliver rolls to the hotel. Or the production problems and Simon falling apart on the photo task in year 4, or Jennifer's fiasco in Marrakesh, or Alexa and her 1 chicken per pizza. No-one has been that bad this year. Early boots like Edward and Gavin were nothing special, and Felicity got a lot wrong, but they weren't disasters on the scale we have seen before. Now we have a lot strong candidates left, most of whom are quietly competent in the background. Zoe and Susan are not quiet, but both have real strengths. Even the candidates I now consider weakest, like Natasha and Leon, have a lot going for them (Natasha just won as PM and did a good advert the previous task). Is Stella last year better than Helen this year? Maybe, but I wouldn't swear to it. Yasmina turned out to be pretty good, although not everyone would agree with that, and we still have some tasks left to see how the likes of Susan and Tom get on. Zoe had a rough task with the rubbish, but she only lost by a few pounds in the end, and even Yasmina made huge mistakes with quantities making soap. |
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You misunderstand me. I dont mean in a business sense but in an entertainment sense. Shibby was a real comedian. This is TV. People have to watch it as well. They would all be considered wooden even against Stella. I dont remember did the two agencies get a bigger discount from Jim and is that the reason they offered more. I thought it was because of the bigger market gap. They did say this. I consider Zoe's team did a lot better with the rubbish task. They didnt go from door to door which is ridiculous. Stella so far is better than Helen. Till now there have always been 'buddies' two people bonding. Even in the tasks they seemed to do it jointly. Now each does there own thing. I cant see any two having become friends certainly not the girls. Making a mistake even a disaster is not the worst thing. The question is here can you run a company and make a profit in the long run. Everyone makes mistakes and LS doesnt mind as long as you own up to them and not too often. I have continuously written here what I consider their mistakes and so have others and they arent any less than previous series. Why arent they prepared better. They know they need a name why dont have one ready. Why dont they know how to talk to LS. Whatever others say about Jim, apart from being able to sell and deal with people he seems to be blind to everything else. Bringing Susan into the BR. Doesnt he know that LS would never fire her. I cant see he has done a single thing right.
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I consider Zoe's team did a lot better with the rubbish task.
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Till now there have always been 'buddies' two people bonding. Even in the tasks they seemed to do it jointly. Now each does there own thing. I cant see any two having become friends certainly not the girls.
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That's right. Even though they lost the contracts and were real down on day one. They still managed to claw back. I dont mean they should have won. But that they worked a lot harder.
And in every task the losing team seem to work harder. Are Helen and Zoe really that close. Just because they both had a go at Susan. |
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And in every task the losing team seem to work harder.
One of the things I found rather silly in previous series is where they showed candidates running along streets to get from one place to the next (usually on buying or selling tasks). I always got the impression they'd been put up to that for the cameras. |
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I did give an example of how on the second day they managed to catch up. They also had the sense to go to plumbers yards and not just round the streets. And they almost rescued the task. The same with the buying task. They had less time and did a lot better. I can only go by what we are shown and that is how it seems to be. I am quite sure that LS is also looking at it the same way as I am.
I would like to see a task where they can really show their initiative how to get people to spend money. Like the racing one last time, or the one on an ocean liner. Just giving them products to buy or sell or make isnt enough.. |
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You misunderstand me. I dont mean in a business sense but in an entertainment sense. Shibby was a real comedian. This is TV. People have to watch it as well. They would all be considered wooden even against Stella. I dont remember did the two agencies get a bigger discount from Jim and is that the reason they offered more. I thought it was because of the bigger market gap. They did say this. I consider Zoe's team did a lot better with the rubbish task. They didnt go from door to door which is ridiculous. Stella so far is better than Helen. Till now there have always been 'buddies' two people bonding. Even in the tasks they seemed to do it jointly. Now each does there own thing. I cant see any two having become friends certainly not the girls. Making a mistake even a disaster is not the worst thing. The question is here can you run a company and make a profit in the long run. Everyone makes mistakes and LS doesnt mind as long as you own up to them and not too often. I have continuously written here what I consider their mistakes and so have others and they arent any less than previous series. Why arent they prepared better. They know they need a name why dont have one ready. Why dont they know how to talk to LS. Whatever others say about Jim, apart from being able to sell and deal with people he seems to be blind to everything else. Bringing Susan into the BR. Doesnt he know that LS would never fire her. I cant see he has done a single thing right.
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Zoe does seem to have the right idea how to talk to LS. You cant say he didnt pick Kate. He said that they were both equal. Clare and Debra were only outspoken at the beginning. So was Joanna, but they learnt later. With Baggs he was under the impression that he had a solid business in electonics he said himself he made a mistake.
I cant see why it is so difficult to get it right in the boardroom. And if anyone is scared to go in LS notices it. That can only mean that he deserves to be fired. As I wrote the only way to keep out of the BR is never to agree to anything the PM says. So you can never be blamed. Lately though you can also be fired for doing nothing, This hasnt happened before. How many of those fired who were not PM did anything wrong. Glenn did nothing wrong and JIm did nothing right who gets fired! |
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It's pretty obvious by now that Helen, Tom and Susan are by far the strongest candidates and will, baring some major upset, make it to the interviews.
Who will be the fourth, though? After last night's boardroom debacle with Sugar appearing to have Jim marked out as this year's Wotherspoon/Sophocles/Baggs, it look as if he may be the one, as I'm sure it will keep people watching just so that they will see him finally get his comeuppance. But if not, who will be the other? For entertainment it must be Jim. Even 60 seconds of Jim v Claude would be TV Gold. |
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I dont think you will find Claude here this year.
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Does Tom really qualify as one of the strongest candidates if he's been on the losing team every time except once?
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Does Tom really qualify as one of the strongest candidates if he's been on the losing team every time except once?
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I think the major gap with Tom is leadership. We've seen both Susan and Helen PM (and both volunteer to do so, rather than be placed there) and do so well (at least the show would have us believe so), whereas with Tom there hasn't been a squeak. We've not even seen him lead a single negotiation or pitch, let alone a whole team. You have to wonder if Lordalan's going to go into business with someone who has so resolutely kept his head below the parapet in practical terms. He's pretty much the definition, per this show, of a thinker not a doer.
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I think the major gap with Tom is leadership. We've seen both Susan and Helen PM (and both volunteer to do so, rather than be placed there) and do so well (at least the show would have us believe so), whereas with Tom there hasn't been a squeak. We've not even seen him lead a single negotiation or pitch, let alone a whole team. You have to wonder if Lordalan's going to go into business with someone who has so resolutely kept his head below the parapet in practical terms. He's pretty much the definition, per this show, of a thinker not a doer.
Of course, we're handicapped here because we don't know exactly how the 'prize' works. If Sugar already has the business in mind he's obviously going to want someone to pick it up and run with it. An 'ideas' man is all but superfluous. If, on the other hand he's looking at business plans from the candidates and Tom has a really good one, he might well be prepared to go with that. He'd undoubtedly got people who could assist Tom in certain areas whilst he builds up his business expertise. One thing to remember is that none of the apprentice tasks (by the very nature of the programme) allow candidate to demonstrate the most important abilities in setting up a business: Detailed and meticulous research and planning. It's very easy to imagine someone who could blagg his or her way through all the tasks undertaken and yet be useless when it comes to spending a month or so coming up with a detailed plan or a few days to carefully iron out an unforeseen problem. This is where people such as Susan who have already established a business have something of a head start. (And it also probably explains why the bagginator was allowed to get as far as he did.) |
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We've not even seen him lead a single negotiation or pitch, let alone a whole team.
The preview at the end of last week's You're Fired didn't raise my hopes for tonight. It is time to see what Tom has been hiding under his bushel...maybe this evening we'll see his light . More probably we'll see he's light...(lousy gag, still doesn't work!). |
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Hopefully Melody and Leon.
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