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Doctor Who "The Big Bang" Plot Hole. Not a Timey Wimey one!
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dalekaddison
20-06-2011
It's not a Timey Wimey one.

Amy is shot and goes into the Pandorica and gets better.

Doctor sits in it later, having been shot and he spends the next few scenes still dying. He is in the light of the Pandorica. Why isn't he healed?

Also, Amy needed DNA to heal her, but the Pandorica was built for the Doctor so must have his DNA in it if they want to keep him going forever anyway. So it's pre-tuned so to speak. Why isn't he healed?
MinkytheDog
20-06-2011
Amy was dead - the Pandorica prevented her body from decaying by placing it in stasis. Amelia's DNA helped repair her but there's no suggestion that this would happen though anything other than her touching the outside of the box.

The Doctor, on the other hand, was only wounded and there was no Doctor to touch the outside of the box.

Also, Amy was in the box for 2,000 years - the Doctor was only there a few seconds. Even the partially resurrected Dalek had greater exposure.

One other thing - the light from the Pandorica could be like a fridge - it went out when the door closed
DoctorQui
20-06-2011
Originally Posted by MinkytheDog:
“Amy was dead - the Pandorica prevented her body from decaying by placing it in stasis. Amelia's DNA helped repair her but there's no suggestion that this would happen though anything other than her touching the outside of the box.

The Doctor, on the other hand, was only wounded and there was no Doctor to touch the outside of the box.

Also, Amy was in the box for 2,000 years - the Doctor was only there a few seconds. Even the partially resurrected Dalek had greater exposure.

One other thing - the light from the Pandorica could be like a fridge - it went out when the door closed ”

Hang on Mink, have you actually got any proof that this actually happens?
tingramretro
20-06-2011
Originally Posted by DoctorQui:
“Hang on Mink, have you actually got any proof that this actually happens?”

I've never believed it, myself. I've spent many hours trying to catch the fridge out, but every time I open the door, no matter how quickly...
MinkytheDog
20-06-2011
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“I've never believed it, myself. I've spent many hours trying to catch the fridge out, but every time I open the door, no matter how quickly...”

That's cos you're staying outside of the fridge.

If you move the shelves around a bit, you can climb inside and check - with the added advantage that you can jump out and shout "Boo!!!" the next time your missus wants a cupper.
Granny McSmith
20-06-2011
Originally Posted by MinkytheDog:
“That's cos you're staying outside of the fridge.

If you move the shelves around a bit, you can climb inside and check - with the added advantage that you can jump out and shout "Boo!!!" the next time your missus wants a cupper.”

Can you open the fridge from the inside, though?

Suppose your missus (or mister) decides to leave you there all night?
johnnysaucepn
20-06-2011
It probably would keep him alive - if he were sealed inside it. But getting better wasn't really his goal.
DoctorQui
20-06-2011
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“Can you open the fridge from the inside, though?
Suppose your missus (or mister) decides to leave you there all night?”

Not if you find it on a rubbish tip, like the good ol days!
DoctorQui
20-06-2011
Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn:
“It probably would keep him alive - if he were sealed inside it. But getting better wasn't really his goal.”

Sorry Johnny, we've gone wildly off topic and into the realms of the bizarre!
MinkytheDog
20-06-2011
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“Can you open the fridge from the inside, though?”

Most fridges have magnetic seals these days - but 'twasn't always so...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO1lG...eature=related
tingramretro
20-06-2011
Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn:
“It probably would keep him alive - if he were sealed inside it.”

What, the fridge?
DoctorQui
20-06-2011
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“What, the fridge?”

I'm with you Ting, it definately wouldn't keep him alive if he was locked in fridge!
Ethel_Fred
20-06-2011
Originally Posted by DoctorQui:
“Hang on Mink, have you actually got any proof that this actually happens?”

Back to our friend Erwin Schrödinger and his cat.
Granny McSmith
20-06-2011
Originally Posted by DoctorQui:
“I'm with you Ting, it definately wouldn't keep him alive if he was locked in fridge!”

It would keep you alive if you hid in it from a nuclear explosion, though.

I know this to be true because it was in an Indiana Jones film.
Webslark
20-06-2011
Originally Posted by Ethel_Fred:
“Back to our friend Erwin Schrödinger and his cat. ”

do we know what his cat thinks of Tom Baker?
TheSilentFez
20-06-2011
The Doctor was dying because he blew the Pandorica up.
MinkytheDog
20-06-2011
Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn:
“It probably would keep him alive - if he were sealed inside it.”

...and if it didn't, at least he wouldn't smell too bad.
Webslark
20-06-2011
Originally Posted by MinkytheDog:
“...and if it didn't, at least he wouldn't smell too bad.”

I'm in a fridge now. Fridges are cool.






I'll get me fez
MinkytheDog
20-06-2011
Originally Posted by Webslark:
“I'm in a fridge now. Fridges are cool.


I'll get me fez”

Sh'boobie
20-06-2011
The point of the Pandorica was not to 'restore' anything. It was to 'maintain it, in a living state'.

When Amy went in the Pandorica, she was Dead. The Pandorica then 'maintained' her for two thousand years in a dead state - until a living sample of her DNA could be drawn from Amelia's touch, at which point, it's light was able to restore her to the living state, that it was designed to maintain her in.

As for the Doctor, when he went in the Pandorica, was shot, but was alive. That would thereafter have been the state the Pandorica would have maintained for him.

The real question is this. The Dalek was dead. The light from the Pandorica should simply have 'maintained' it in that state, unless the Dalek had either been alive (but dormant) the whole time, or if the Pandorica was exposed to an sample of living Dalek DNA.

So which was it?[LIST][*]1. A living fossilised Dalek? [*]2. Someone planted Dalek DNA on / in the Pandorica after it was opened?[*]3. A Plot hole?[/LIST]
Sharon87
20-06-2011
Originally Posted by Sh'boobie:
“The point of the Pandorica was not to 'restore' anything. It was to 'maintain it, in a living state'.

When Amy went in the Pandorica, she was Dead. The Pandorica then 'maintained' her for two thousand years in a dead state - until a living sample of her DNA could be drawn from Amelia's touch, at which point, it's light was able to restore her to the living state, that it was designed to maintain her in.

As for the Doctor, when he went in the Pandorica, was shot, but was alive. That would thereafter have been the state the Pandorica would have maintained for him.

The real question is this. The Dalek was dead. The light from the Pandorica should simply have 'maintained' it in that state, unless the Dalek had either been alive (but dormant) the whole time, or if the Pandorica was exposed to an sample of living Dalek DNA.

So which was it?[LIST][*]1. A living fossilised Dalek? [*]2. Someone planted Dalek DNA on / in the Pandorica after it was opened?[*]3. A Plot hole?[/LIST]”

Because the Pandorica had a little bit of the entire universe in there, so it knew what a dalek was, and restored it to a living state. The Doctor explained how it had a bit of all the universe in it, hence why it restored the whole universe. The light from the pandorica got everywhere via the explosion and cracks and restored the whole universe, so one dalek was easy enough!
MinkytheDog
20-06-2011
Originally Posted by Sh'boobie:
“The real question is this. The Dalek was dead. The light from the Pandorica should simply have 'maintained' it in that state, unless the Dalek had either been alive (but dormant) the whole time, or if the Pandorica was exposed to an sample of living Dalek DNA.

So which was it?[LIST][*]1. A living fossilised Dalek? [*]2. Someone planted Dalek DNA on / in the Pandorica after it was opened?[*]3. A Plot hole?[/LIST]”

The Dalek wasn't dead - Daleks didn't exist so it was neither dead nor alive. It was just a kind of memory of what it had been preserved as "fossils in time".

It wasn't "cured" or "repaired" - just brought back into existence by the light from the Pandorica. It was an anomally that existed because it was "at the eye of the storm".
Sh'boobie
20-06-2011
So a plot hole, then. It's decided.
johnnysaucepn
20-06-2011
This really doesn't warrant quite this level of introspection, but if we want to have a crack at a workable theory:

If all the Pandorica has to go on is the state of the universe at the point that the Alliance activate it (ah-ha!) then at that point Amy was already dead, but the Daleks were still alive. It's only after the Pandorica closes and the restoration field is activated that the universe's fate is sealed and the Daleks cease to exist except as a freak rock formation. So, then, the Pandorica needs a bit extra to be able to put Amy back together, but has all it needs for the Dalek, and the universe.

How does that sound? (We can gloss over the fact that the universe at the point of the Pandorica closing was already cracked... I suppose we could always write that off as the explosion being undone...)
MinkytheDog
21-06-2011
Originally Posted by Sh'boobie:
“So a plot hole, then. It's decided.”

I don't think so.

My take is that the Pandorica didn't "heal" anyone simply by having them sit in it. It restored the Dalek's existence and it restored Amy using Amelia's DNA when she touched the outside. The Doctor wasn't dead and didn't need to be restored.
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