I dislike all liars.
Melody is just UNLIKEABLE !!! good seller or not
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Originally Posted by Radical Joe:
“People seem to be confusing being likeable to us to the viewer, and being likeable to the people she's trying to do business with. Look at her dealings with buyers/sellers. She's by far one of the most effective.
A lot of people are saying she's 'unlikeable' because they have riled them in some way, whether it be her arrogant atitude or her musing on the North.”
“People seem to be confusing being likeable to us to the viewer, and being likeable to the people she's trying to do business with. Look at her dealings with buyers/sellers. She's by far one of the most effective.
A lot of people are saying she's 'unlikeable' because they have riled them in some way, whether it be her arrogant atitude or her musing on the North.”
No I really am not,
On a one off pitch maybe she is doing well but for repeat buisenss oyu have to have some sort of relationship going with your clients and if she is as obnoxious with her clients she will loose repeat buisness
A team will have to work together for a time and her abrasive manner and the way she does not appear to hear what peolple are saying will make the team less effective than it should be
Melody has the flaw of being unlikable will will damage her more in real life than on this programme
Originally Posted by shefair:
“No I really am not,
On a one off pitch maybe she is doing well but for repeat buisenss oyu have to have some sort of relationship going with your clients and if she is as obnoxious with her clients she will loose repeat buisness
A team will have to work together for a time and her abrasive manner and the way she does not appear to hear what peolple are saying will make the team less effective than it should be
Melody has the flaw of being unlikable will will damage her more in real life than on this programme”
“No I really am not,
On a one off pitch maybe she is doing well but for repeat buisenss oyu have to have some sort of relationship going with your clients and if she is as obnoxious with her clients she will loose repeat buisness
A team will have to work together for a time and her abrasive manner and the way she does not appear to hear what peolple are saying will make the team less effective than it should be
Melody has the flaw of being unlikable will will damage her more in real life than on this programme”
Has that been the case so far? I might be wrong, but I can't think of one instance where she's made a sale and the customer wouldn't work with her again. Seems to me like you're assuming how she would operate in business, when the evidence we have so far contradicts that. If her 'unlikability translates into her losing sales, then fair enough, but I haven't seen any evidence of that.
And you talk about team playing. Well, Tom was the archetypal team player (to the point of giving up the product he wanted, and doing blimming paper-scissors-stone to decide on a presentation). And he didn't do too well by my reckoning as team leader. In fact, I think it'd be fair to say that he revealed himself to be weak last night.
Originally Posted by Radical Joe:
“I agree that the show is highly edited, but it seems you're contradicting yourself here. On the one hand, you acknowledge that the editing can be misrepresentative, but then you go on to remark upon what some seem to think of others on the tasks - which is surely subject to the same editing process.”
“I agree that the show is highly edited, but it seems you're contradicting yourself here. On the one hand, you acknowledge that the editing can be misrepresentative, but then you go on to remark upon what some seem to think of others on the tasks - which is surely subject to the same editing process.”
Good point Joe, but if we take it literally that means we can't believe anything we see on the show. I was particularly referring to Zoe's treatment/lack of respect for Susan which seems to have occurred on more than one occasion and therefore I suspect is not just a case of selective editing.
Originally Posted by Radical Joe:
“Has that been the case so far? I might be wrong, but I can't think of one instance where she's made a sale and the customer wouldn't work with her again. Seems to me like you're assuming how she would operate in business, when the evidence we have so far contradicts that. If her 'unlikability translates into her losing sales, then fair enough, but I haven't seen any evidence of that.
And you talk about team playing. Well, Tom was the archetypal team player (to the point of giving up the product he wanted, and doing blimming paper-scissors-stone to decide on a presentation). And he didn't do too well by my reckoning as team leader. In fact, I think it'd be fair to say that he revealed himself to be weak last night.”
“Has that been the case so far? I might be wrong, but I can't think of one instance where she's made a sale and the customer wouldn't work with her again. Seems to me like you're assuming how she would operate in business, when the evidence we have so far contradicts that. If her 'unlikability translates into her losing sales, then fair enough, but I haven't seen any evidence of that.
And you talk about team playing. Well, Tom was the archetypal team player (to the point of giving up the product he wanted, and doing blimming paper-scissors-stone to decide on a presentation). And he didn't do too well by my reckoning as team leader. In fact, I think it'd be fair to say that he revealed himself to be weak last night.”
In the one off pitches in the programme she has done well and the clients would probably work with her agian , all I am saying is that on an ongoing basis her unlikeblity will come to the fore as it has over the course of the programme and buisness will suffer for this
Tom did suffer for being too much of a team palyer but melody wa no team player at all and if she behaved like this in buisness she would loose repeat buisness
She is behaving on the programme with a shortsightedness and egotistical approach that will win her no friends
Originally Posted by shefair:
“In the one off pitches in the programme she has done well and the clients would probably work with her agian , all I am saying is that on an ongoing basis her unlikeblity will come to the fore as it has over the course of the programme and buisness will suffer for this
Tom did suffer for being too much of a team palyer but melody wa no team player at all and if she behaved like this in buisness she would loose repeat buisness
She is behaving on the programme with a shortsightedness and egotistical approach that will win her no friends”
“In the one off pitches in the programme she has done well and the clients would probably work with her agian , all I am saying is that on an ongoing basis her unlikeblity will come to the fore as it has over the course of the programme and buisness will suffer for this
Tom did suffer for being too much of a team palyer but melody wa no team player at all and if she behaved like this in buisness she would loose repeat buisness
She is behaving on the programme with a shortsightedness and egotistical approach that will win her no friends”
Well, that's an assumption which isn't supported by her dealings with buyers/sellers so far.
Originally Posted by ajtombs:
“i wish also people would stop going on about killer instinct as if its a good thing.”
“i wish also people would stop going on about killer instinct as if its a good thing.”
in business, it is. you not wishing to hear it doesn't change a simpel fact. it merely suggests you may lack it.
Originally Posted by ajtombs:
“I am happy to place a bet right now that Melody will not win the apprentice.”
“I am happy to place a bet right now that Melody will not win the apprentice.”
given the trends of which kind of people Sugar daddy tends to fire, that's a pretty safe bet. none one would need a killer instinct for either.
[quote=DSDP;50966194]in business, it is. you not wishing to hear it doesn't change a simpel fact. it merely suggests you may lack it.
In business you need to be confident and possess conviction in your abilities.
Melody would not get far with her arrogance greediness and odd relationship with the truth. Trust is the one thing needed in business and she is sorely lacking in that department.
Who would trade with her and who would work for her ?
In business you need to be confident and possess conviction in your abilities.
Melody would not get far with her arrogance greediness and odd relationship with the truth. Trust is the one thing needed in business and she is sorely lacking in that department.
Who would trade with her and who would work for her ?
Originally Posted by shefair:
“I am not sure why you have this idea that it does not matter whether you need to be likable to suceed in buisness
If you consider selling or pitching you need to be likable otherwise no one will want to buy from you ( you could have a wonderful product and rub people up so much no one want to do buisness with you)
if you need to lead a team you need to be likable otherwise no one will want to do what you want( a team lead by someone whom the others members of the team like and admire can acheive a great deal more that one lead by someone who frightens or is disrespected by its memebers)
Melody appears o have forgotten that she will always need to be a team player whether she is the team leader or a team member and this will be her downfall eventually”
“I am not sure why you have this idea that it does not matter whether you need to be likable to suceed in buisness
If you consider selling or pitching you need to be likable otherwise no one will want to buy from you ( you could have a wonderful product and rub people up so much no one want to do buisness with you)
if you need to lead a team you need to be likable otherwise no one will want to do what you want( a team lead by someone whom the others members of the team like and admire can acheive a great deal more that one lead by someone who frightens or is disrespected by its memebers)
Melody appears o have forgotten that she will always need to be a team player whether she is the team leader or a team member and this will be her downfall eventually”
Hey you
Melody is likeable to the right people though. She's very good at establishing a rapport with business contacts, hence why she secures so many leads and sells so well.
Also, this year's prize isn't about slotting into Sugar's company, but an investement into the winner's own business where they are in charge. A certain degree of independence is therefore required, and Melody has displayed lots of that.
She reminds me a little of Ruth Badger. Neither particularly likeable but both good at what they do.
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
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A certain degree of independence is therefore required, and Melody has displayed lots of that.
She reminds me a little of Ruth Badger. Neither particularly likeable but both good at what they do.”
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A certain degree of independence is therefore required, and Melody has displayed lots of that.
She reminds me a little of Ruth Badger. Neither particularly likeable but both good at what they do.”
A good sellar does not make a good business person necessarily. Yes she can sell but she is not business minded. This much was evident in the fact that she disregarded the fact people would want a car seat backpack because she 'didn't see why' people would buy it (extremely poor reasoning as the same could be said of a teapot shaped light - why on earth would people buy it?). She couldn't see there was a market for it = no commercial awareness. She isn't business minded because her antics lost her team the task. Yes she sold thousands but if she had listened to someone who actually knew what they were talking about and actually had business instinct - Tom - then she could have had a sales figure more like Helen's. I actually believe if she had researched Laredoute and gone with the backpack, she could've maybe sold more than Helen.
Aside from the dishonesty and delusion complex, the fact she was so short-sighted and only focused on what she thought was a good idea, how much she could sell and ignored a much more informed opinion from Tom, confirmed my belief that she is full of it.
Melody does not understand the term "Teamwork" as it is an alien concept to her.
Her own website says this
I suspect , in fact I am sure that this is because no boss would tolerate her for very long.
I am also very wary of any person who makes elaborate claims about themselves and then wants to be on the apprentice? The two things just don't add up. If she is so good and successful at what she does then why make an idiot of herself on the apprentice. Clearly this is because she is deluded. Had she worked for a normal organisation, instead of for herself she may have had all this arrogance knocked out of her and actually turned into someone who could work in a team and respect other people, therefore making a better contribution to society. As it is, the only thing that is important to Melody is Melody!
Her own website says this
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“In March 2009 I launched InspirEngage International single-handedly and ’til this day run every single aspect of the company alone. I started with a vision, £0 funding, no brand and a hotmail email account (which I kept for over a year as I was so busy doing business, until I established the brand and website in 2010).”
“In March 2009 I launched InspirEngage International single-handedly and ’til this day run every single aspect of the company alone. I started with a vision, £0 funding, no brand and a hotmail email account (which I kept for over a year as I was so busy doing business, until I established the brand and website in 2010).”
I suspect , in fact I am sure that this is because no boss would tolerate her for very long.
I am also very wary of any person who makes elaborate claims about themselves and then wants to be on the apprentice? The two things just don't add up. If she is so good and successful at what she does then why make an idiot of herself on the apprentice. Clearly this is because she is deluded. Had she worked for a normal organisation, instead of for herself she may have had all this arrogance knocked out of her and actually turned into someone who could work in a team and respect other people, therefore making a better contribution to society. As it is, the only thing that is important to Melody is Melody!
the bit that made me laugh was her 'awards' , I mean who boasts about getting "Volunteer of the Year" award ?
Originally Posted by auron87:
“Her voice makes her instantly unlikeable! And then add in the fact that she's arrogant and needs taking down a peg or two...”
“Her voice makes her instantly unlikeable! And then add in the fact that she's arrogant and needs taking down a peg or two...”
Her arrogance seriously annoys me, want to get into the TV and give her a slap!
She is up herself, 've won this award & that award. Hope she don't win!
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Hey you
Melody is likeable to the right people though. She's very good at establishing a rapport with business contacts, hence why she secures so many leads and sells so well.
Also, this year's prize isn't about slotting into Sugar's company, but an investement into the winner's own business where they are in charge. A certain degree of independence is therefore required, and Melody has displayed lots of that.
She reminds me a little of Ruth Badger. Neither particularly likeable but both good at what they do.”
“Hey you
Melody is likeable to the right people though. She's very good at establishing a rapport with business contacts, hence why she secures so many leads and sells so well.
Also, this year's prize isn't about slotting into Sugar's company, but an investement into the winner's own business where they are in charge. A certain degree of independence is therefore required, and Melody has displayed lots of that.
She reminds me a little of Ruth Badger. Neither particularly likeable but both good at what they do.”
The thing is - customers are not the only 'right people' she needs to be likeable to! There is a lot to be said for treating employees and colleagues respectfully and not riding roughtshod over them, which is what Melody did last night.
Originally Posted by Tvchild_2011:
“A good sellar does not make a good business person necessarily. Yes she can sell but she is not business minded. This much was evident in the fact that she disregarded the fact people would want a car seat backpack because she 'didn't see why' people would buy it (extremely poor reasoning as the same could be said of a teapot shaped light - why on earth would people buy it?). She couldn't see there was a market for it = no commercial awareness. She isn't business minded because her antics lost her team the task. Yes she sold thousands but if she had listened to someone who actually knew what they were talking about and actually had business instinct - Tom - then she could have had a sales figure more like Helen's. I actually believe if she had researched Laredoute and gone with the backpack, she could've maybe sold more than Helen.
Aside from the dishonesty and delusion complex, the fact she was so short-sighted and only focused on what she thought was a good idea, how much she could sell and ignored a much more informed opinion from Tom, confirmed my belief that she is full of it.”
“A good sellar does not make a good business person necessarily. Yes she can sell but she is not business minded. This much was evident in the fact that she disregarded the fact people would want a car seat backpack because she 'didn't see why' people would buy it (extremely poor reasoning as the same could be said of a teapot shaped light - why on earth would people buy it?). She couldn't see there was a market for it = no commercial awareness. She isn't business minded because her antics lost her team the task. Yes she sold thousands but if she had listened to someone who actually knew what they were talking about and actually had business instinct - Tom - then she could have had a sales figure more like Helen's. I actually believe if she had researched Laredoute and gone with the backpack, she could've maybe sold more than Helen.
Aside from the dishonesty and delusion complex, the fact she was so short-sighted and only focused on what she thought was a good idea, how much she could sell and ignored a much more informed opinion from Tom, confirmed my belief that she is full of it.”
I think that is exactly where Helen pips Melody to the post. Helen seems much more practical and more focussed on the team winning rather than her personal goal of outshining everyone else in the team.
Originally Posted by Button62:
“I'm glad you think I'm hilarious but sadly I am not for hire as I am self employed
There's no doubt that Melody is uber confident and doesn't doubt her abilities. What I am saying is that in the world of business trampling all over people is not going to do her any favours. She will get a reputation for being hard to work with and unable to listen or compromise.
Constantly driving her opinion to the fore will be her undoing.
Let's put it this way, I wouldn't employ her even if she learned to listen, tell the truth and let others have a say.”
“I'm glad you think I'm hilarious but sadly I am not for hire as I am self employed
There's no doubt that Melody is uber confident and doesn't doubt her abilities. What I am saying is that in the world of business trampling all over people is not going to do her any favours. She will get a reputation for being hard to work with and unable to listen or compromise.
Constantly driving her opinion to the fore will be her undoing.
Let's put it this way, I wouldn't employ her even if she learned to listen, tell the truth and let others have a say.”
This is exactly what she needs to learn, but I think she has been too focussed on her goal of winning TA by any means. Surely it makes more sense to try and ensure that your team wins (and so avoid the boardroom) rather than try and ensure that you are 'better' than anyone else in your team!
If she's so unbearable and awful and impossible to work with and horrendous and so on, why has it taken her two whole months for anyone at all to cotton on? The worst I've heard said about her before is that she had an annoying voice. Nobody brought her back into a final boardroom before now, and the worst anyone's said about her in interview is that she was an over-rated PM in Week One. Oh and she served up a Big Old Plate Of Blame once.
I'm guessing all this gets blown over next week when Zoe takes the mantle of Villain Of The Week up again.
I'm guessing all this gets blown over next week when Zoe takes the mantle of Villain Of The Week up again.
Originally Posted by HollyC:
“The thing is - customers are not the only 'right people' she needs to be likeable to! There is a lot to be said for treating employees and colleagues respectfully and not riding roughtshod over them, which is what Melody did last night.”
“The thing is - customers are not the only 'right people' she needs to be likeable to! There is a lot to be said for treating employees and colleagues respectfully and not riding roughtshod over them, which is what Melody did last night.”
Melody's CV (even if it's slightly exaggerated) is pretty impressive though. She wouldn't have been able create a successful business (however big or small) without the ability to get along with other people. Moreover, the very nature of what she does revolves around motivating people!
I think the Apprentice is designed to bring out the worst in the candidates and doesn't necessarily reflect what they are like in their day-to-day business lives. It exposes what they are like in an extremely intense, competitive, stressful environment. We saw an ugly side to Melody last night, but it was the first time she'd undermined a task leader like that.
I still see her as a strong candidate but I agree with you that Helen is better overall.
It's a bit odd that she is unlikeable to so many here when she seems to have pursued a very public facing career and had some success in it.
Based on the brief mention of being held at gunpoint I'd say she is hugely driven to better herself and has an edge on some of the other candidates who might have enjoyed a more comfortable childhood.
If it came to a Helen / Melody final I think he would take Melody. In any previous season it would have been Helen but I think with Melody you could be certain she would complete any objective given to her, providing she sees some value in it. She probably wont make many friends doing it (which is why she could never have won a previous series); but she'd get it done.
Based on the brief mention of being held at gunpoint I'd say she is hugely driven to better herself and has an edge on some of the other candidates who might have enjoyed a more comfortable childhood.
If it came to a Helen / Melody final I think he would take Melody. In any previous season it would have been Helen but I think with Melody you could be certain she would complete any objective given to her, providing she sees some value in it. She probably wont make many friends doing it (which is why she could never have won a previous series); but she'd get it done.
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“If she's so unbearable and awful and impossible to work with and horrendous and so on, why has it taken her two whole months for anyone at all to cotton on? The worst I've heard said about her before is that she had an annoying voice. Nobody brought her back into a final boardroom before now, and the worst anyone's said about her in interview is that she was an over-rated PM in Week One. Oh and she served up a Big Old Plate Of Blame once.
I'm guessing all this gets blown over next week when Zoe takes the mantle of Villain Of The Week up again.”
“If she's so unbearable and awful and impossible to work with and horrendous and so on, why has it taken her two whole months for anyone at all to cotton on? The worst I've heard said about her before is that she had an annoying voice. Nobody brought her back into a final boardroom before now, and the worst anyone's said about her in interview is that she was an over-rated PM in Week One. Oh and she served up a Big Old Plate Of Blame once.
I'm guessing all this gets blown over next week when Zoe takes the mantle of Villain Of The Week up again.”
Maybe we'll have two villains of the week - like 'The Dark Knight' or something!
The weird thing is, I was just thinking last week what a low-key edit Melody was getting - and, as you say, that doesn't appear to be just a trick of editing, she does genuinely seem to have just been keeping her head down. This fits with what Nick was saying in his interview about her not being popular in the house, but I get the impression it's bored irritation (such as Helen prodding Zoe in the leg all "here we go again" when Melody started on about her awards) rather than fiery loathing.
Melody reminds me of a brash Saira (TA1) who SurlordAlan loved but, ended up giving the job to Tim! I think he does like those type of women but, probably can't work with them. Secondly, she was caught out in several lies last night so could he really trust her with £250k?
Secondly, she was caught out in several lies last night so could he really trust her with £250k?
Originally Posted by silkstone:
“ If it came to a Helen / Melody final I think he would take Melody. In any previous season it would have been Helen but I think with Melody you could be certain she would complete any objective given to her, providing she sees some value in it. She probably wont make many friends doing it (which is why she could never have won a previous series); but she'd get it done.”
“ If it came to a Helen / Melody final I think he would take Melody. In any previous season it would have been Helen but I think with Melody you could be certain she would complete any objective given to her, providing she sees some value in it. She probably wont make many friends doing it (which is why she could never have won a previous series); but she'd get it done.”
As it stands I think Melody may well come out of the series with more friends amongst the cast than any one of Michelle, Simon, or Stella did. There was a real negativity towards all three in a lot of exit interviews about them, especially from others who made it down to the sharp end. I think a lot of that was bitterness, but we'll see what some of the people Melody's crossed have to say about her after they've finished.
Originally Posted by Glorfindel:
“Maybe we'll have two villains of the week - like 'The Dark Knight' or something!”
“Maybe we'll have two villains of the week - like 'The Dark Knight' or something!”
It could be like Dark Knight Rises and Jim, Melody and Zoe are all villains, and we draft in another villain from two series ago again. What's DebraBarr doing?
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“As it stands I think Melody may well come out of the series with more friends amongst the cast than any one of Michelle, Simon, or Stella did. There was a real negativity towards all three in a lot of exit interviews about them, especially from others who made it down to the sharp end. I think a lot of that was bitterness, but we'll see what some of the people Melody's crossed have to say about her after they've finished.”
“As it stands I think Melody may well come out of the series with more friends amongst the cast than any one of Michelle, Simon, or Stella did. There was a real negativity towards all three in a lot of exit interviews about them, especially from others who made it down to the sharp end. I think a lot of that was bitterness, but we'll see what some of the people Melody's crossed have to say about her after they've finished.”
I might not have been particularly clear, I'd meant friends within his organisation
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“It could be like Dark Knight Rises and Jim, Melody and Zoe are all villains, and we draft in another villain from two series ago again. What's DebraBarr doing?”
“It could be like Dark Knight Rises and Jim, Melody and Zoe are all villains, and we draft in another villain from two series ago again. What's DebraBarr doing?”
DebraBarr would stomp all over this lot - even Jedi Jim would quaver!
Originally Posted by silkstone:
“I might not have been particularly clear, I'd meant friends within his organisation”
“I might not have been particularly clear, I'd meant friends within his organisation”
No, no, I got that - I was just saying that the ability of Michelle, Simon and Stella to get along with people they worked with wasn't particularly well demonstrated by their series. Michelle in particular was involved in a lot of gossiping and bitching and intrigue and bad feeling in the second half of the run. A lot of her cast didn't particularly like her or like working with her, from what I remember. I don't think managing to rub along well with your colleagues is at that high a premium with Lordalan - quite a few winners managed to piss a lot of the other candidates off at some point or another.
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“No, no, I got that - I was just saying that the ability of Michelle, Simon and Stella to get along with people they worked with wasn't particularly well demonstrated by their series. Michelle in particular was involved in a lot of gossiping and bitching and intrigue and bad feeling in the second half of the run. A lot of her cast didn't particularly like her or like working with her, from what I remember. I don't think managing to rub along well with your colleagues is at that high a premium with Lordalan - quite a few winners managed to piss a lot of the other candidates off at some point or another.”
“No, no, I got that - I was just saying that the ability of Michelle, Simon and Stella to get along with people they worked with wasn't particularly well demonstrated by their series. Michelle in particular was involved in a lot of gossiping and bitching and intrigue and bad feeling in the second half of the run. A lot of her cast didn't particularly like her or like working with her, from what I remember. I don't think managing to rub along well with your colleagues is at that high a premium with Lordalan - quite a few winners managed to piss a lot of the other candidates off at some point or another.”
Fair enough - I was thinking of his comments to Debra and Joanna in the past about being too aggressive - he's a complex man!
Originally Posted by silkstone:
“It's a bit odd that she is unlikeable to so many here when she seems to have pursued a very public facing career and had some success in it.”
“It's a bit odd that she is unlikeable to so many here when she seems to have pursued a very public facing career and had some success in it.”
Her public speaking roles involved speaking at people which is quite different to communicating and negotiating with people on the same level. People often underestimate how necessary people skills are in business. This appears to be Susan flaw too, although it manifests itself in a different way. Both are used to working for themselves and not answering to anyone. Susan doesn't seem to have enough self awareness and isn't good at articulating the good ideas in her head which results in people thinking she's stupid. And Melody seems to only value her own contribution and misses the bigger picture as a result.
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