|
||||||||
"Do the French love their children?" |
![]() |
|
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|
#51 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Nottingham, UK
Posts: 11,878
|
Quote:
I quite like Susan, but she is annoyingly stupid at times.
I suspect the sequence was included to try and make the result less of a foregone conclusion, by making Susan look stupid. It had absolutely no impact on the task. Where-as other things she did, such as assigning appointments the night before instead of wasting time in the morning (like Tom did), did make a difference. |
|
|
|
|
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
|
|
|
#52 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Sussex by the Sea
Posts: 19,193
|
Quote:
Here she was more ignorant than stupid, which is understandable in one so young. I'd say that Americans love cars more than the British do, and it makes sense to ask similar questions about French culture.
Melody was no better with her selective deafness of course. Quote:
I suspect the sequence was included to try and make the result less of a foregone conclusion, by making Susan look stupid. It had absolutely no impact on the task. Where-as other things she did, such as assigning appointments the night before instead of wasting time in the morning (like Tom did), did make a difference.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#53 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,366
|
Some priceless quotes from Susan & Tom in this week's episode
![]()
|
|
|
|
|
|
#54 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,483
|
in any other situation no would bat an eyelind about susan's comments. susan was basically enquring whether the french spend alot of money and cars.
but susan who's first language is not even english seems to be the target of editors and karen herself. |
|
|
|
|
|
#55 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Nottingham, UK
Posts: 11,878
|
Quote:
Do the French like their children? FFS, a five year old might come up with a question like that, not an intelligent adult of voting age.
Quote:
Her age is no excuse, as has been said many times on the show. I'd expect a 21 y.o. graduate and alleged business owner to have a reasonable general kowledge about near neighbour countries. If you don't get that by age 21, when will you get it?
If you've not acquired more general knowledge by the time you are 31 than you had at 21, then you are stupid. She didn't even move to this country until 8 years ago, so she shouldn't be expected to have the same general knowledge about its neighbours as someone who has lived here for 21 years, let along longer.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#56 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Sussex by the Sea
Posts: 19,193
|
Quote:
Some cultures are more child-friendly than others. The British are rather less, for example. You see pubs and other eating places advertising that children are welcome because in so many places they aren't. The way the question was phrased may have been stupid, but the thought behind it wasn't.
Quote:
If you've not acquired more general knowledge by the time you are 31 than you had at 21, then you are stupid. She didn't even move to this country until 8 years ago, so she shouldn't be expected to have the same general knowledge about its neighbours as someone who has lived here for 21 years, let along longer.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#57 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 148
|
Quote:
Susan may well have been talking to herself, but she was also heard by others including Karren. Susan has the freedom to speak to herself, but others have the freedom not to hear what many would perceive as puerile or offensive racial stereotyping.
So the French are now a race then????Susan made a minor gaffe and everyone's now claiming that she's a racist - sometimes I think that the world has gone completely bonkers! Anyway, I think its funny that no-one criticised Melody for saying exactly the same thing after visiting France and doing some "market research" (if you define asking four people on the metro whether they regularly use the car as "research"). |
|
|
|
|
|
#58 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Ireland
Posts: 4,312
|
Quote:
The thought behind the question was completely missing. As usual with Susan she just blurted out the first thing that came into her head. She only thought about it afterwards when called into question.
She said it during a brainstorming session, not to anyone important. And it was only the phrasing that was bad, not the general idea behind the question. Seriously, there's plenty of other sticks to beat her with. Let this one go. |
|
|
|
|
|
#59 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Sussex by the Sea
Posts: 19,193
|
Quote:
So the French are now a race then????
Susan made a minor gaffe and everyone's now claiming that she's a racist - sometimes I think that the world has gone completely bonkers! Anyway, I think its funny that no-one criticised Melody for saying exactly the same thing after visiting France and doing some "market research" (if you define asking four people on the metro whether they use the car that often as "research"). I don't think anyone was accusing Susan of being racist, so it's silly to pretend they were. |
|
|
|
|
|
#60 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Sussex by the Sea
Posts: 19,193
|
Quote:
Big effing deal.
She said it during a brainstorming session, not to anyone important. And it was only the phrasing that was bad, not the general idea behind the question. Seriously, there's plenty of other sticks to beat her with. Let this one go. |
|
|
|
|
|
#61 |
|
Guest
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 8,850
|
Quote:
Race/nationality - what's the real difference when it comes to stereotyping and prejudice? If someone refused to employ a French person because they didn't like French people, how would that be any different to someone with similar feelings about black people.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#62 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Sussex by the Sea
Posts: 19,193
|
Quote:
...because black people may also be French, they're two entirely different things.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#63 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 199
|
I thought she explained it quite well in the boardroom - I could understand what she meant, there are some cultures that are perceived by some (rightly or wrongly) to celebrate children more than others - Italy for example.
I think the people that don't like Susan, for whatever reason, just jumped on that immediately. Personally I'm quite ambivalent about her, she is clearly intelligent, gutsy but also naive. I dont think she will win but I do think LS will invest in her after the show. |
|
|
|
|
|
#64 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Sussex by the Sea
Posts: 19,193
|
Quote:
I thought she explained it quite well in the boardroom - I could understand what she meant, there are some cultures that are perceived by some (rightly or wrongly) to celebrate children more than others - Italy for example.
Quote:
I think the people that don't like Susan, for whatever reason, just jumped on that immediately. Personally I'm quite ambivalent about her, she is clearly intelligent, gutsy but also naive. I dont think she will win but I do think LS will invest in her after the show.
). We can all of us only comment on what we see on TV.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#65 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 16,500
|
Quote:
Do the French like their children? FFS, a five year old might come up with a question like that, not an intelligent adult of voting age.
Melody was no better with her selective deafness of course. Her age is no excuse, as has been said many times on the show. I'd expect a 21 y.o. graduate and alleged business owner to have a reasonable general kowledge about near neighbour countries. If you don't get that by age 21, when will you get it? |
|
|
|
|
|
#66 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,860
|
Quote:
I understood what she was trying to say, in that are the French family orientated, but it showed her immaturity to ask such blunt question.
The French are probably more family orientated than the British. In addition, with the increased use of public transport, a carseat in a backpack is probably even more useful to the French than the British. A practical product is always more likely to sell in a mass market place than something like the teapot lampshade!! |
|
|
|
|
|
#67 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 6,347
|
What Country is it that dosent like their children?
|
|
|
|
|
|
#68 |
|
Inactive Member
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,089
|
Quote:
What Country is it that dosent like their children?
Although, as I pointed out previously, it's more a matter of not liking other people's children'.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#69 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 199
|
Quote:
Although, as I pointed out previously, it's more a matter of not liking other people's children'.
![]() Watched it again last night - it's quite interesting to see the evolution of the quote, Susan actually said "are the French fond of their children", then when Karen reported to the camera it was "do the French like their children" and then to LS as "do the French love their children". |
|
|
|
|
|
#70 |
|
Guest
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 6,073
|
Quote:
What Country is it that dosent like their children?
"Are the Spartans fond of their children?" would have been a shrewd marketing question for time-travelling salespersons.
|
|
|
|
![]() |
|
All times are GMT. The time now is 02:05.




). We can all of us only comment on what we see on TV.