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Is this You're Fired or a plug for Klass's business
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Steve™
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by allafix:
“Yes she's achieved a lot on a limited skill set”

Yet others with, I'm assuming, a greater skill set, are not doing so well.

Whos the winner in this?

Originally Posted by aussie_dave_:
“This is the argument people who don't know how to debate use because they dont have the capacity to debate properly.

So Im assuming then that by your rules of 'you can't criticise anyone else unless youve done better yourself'”

No not at all.

Anyone can criticise anyone.

And thats exactly what I'm doing.

You need to be more resilient less of a baby
allafix
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by Steve™:
“Yet others with, I'm assuming, a greater skill set, are not doing so well.

Whos the winner in this?”

The winner of course is MK with her all consuming publicity machine. I'd rather see properly talented people do well, not just second rate musicians who happen to scrub up fairly well.

Originally Posted by Steve™:
“No not at all.

Anyone can criticise anyone.

And thats exactly what I'm doing.

You need to be more resilient less of a baby”

If anyone can criticise anyone, why did you question what I had achieved?

Not a "cool" attitude, calling people babies, is it?
Lenitive
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by diary_room:
“i actually quite like how this year they are talking about the participants businesses more )e.g. the Innocence guy).”

Blimey, don't get Rhod Gilbert on at the same time as him! He'd start ranting at the poor lad.

Originally Posted by Mrs Spratt:
“It's the inclusion of a 'comedian' each week that I find irritating”

Same here. It's an unnecessary conveyor-belt of familiar faces who belong elsewhere, not You're Fired. Just leave the light-hearted stuff to Dara.

Originally Posted by aussie_dave_:
“The comedian this week was poor. His only comment that made me laugh was the crackwh0re one about Helen.”

However, that comment was the highlight for me -- it came out of nowhere and rendered me slightly giddy with a suspended giggling overdose. He was worth it just for that.
M@nterik
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by diary_room:
“So what about the 1hr plug for the car seat, teapot lamp, postcard and gadget grip that preceeded it???

Look the show is about business above all. It makes sense to have guests come on and talk about their business and tell the audience behind the scenes stuff that you wouldn't normally hear about. I like this.

Better to have that than random people saying "ooh I don't like her/him. ...oh yeah he's/she's great" etc like every other reality show.”

What, you mean Klass's range of product that is designed, made and marketed by Mothercare ?

Klass is hardly a businesswoman in any sense of the word, more a brand advocate.

Might as well have Peaches Geldof on to extol the virtues of the Mayfair hotel.
m1pnk
23-06-2011
the whole show is a plugg about someone or thing....the states is a pure Infomercial.
allafix
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by m1pnk:
“the whole show is a plugg about someone or thing....the states is a pure infomertial”

But the products used in the select and sell tasks aren't usually explicitly referred to by name. We just see a quick demo of the concept. To find out more about them you have to do a bit more research, so it's not really a plug. Unlike "Baby K" which was given about five minutes of free plug time on You're Fired and was unrelated to the task shown.
M@nterik
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by allafix:
“But the products used in the select and sell tasks aren't usually explicitly referred to by name. We just see a quick demo of the concept. To find out more about them you have to do a bit more research, so it's not really a plug. Unlike "Baby K" which was given about five minutes of free plug time on You're Fired and was unrelated to the task shown.”

Excellent point.
flashwilson
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by M@nterik:
“What, you mean Klass's range of product that is designed, made and marketed by Mothercare ?”

Quite, this was pointed out by the Guardian's live blog. So Klass does nothing?

Gah!
Toggler
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by Mrs Spratt:
“I'm not a huge fan of Mylene Klass but I actually found it quite interesting

It gave a background to her remarks which I thought added to the conversation with Leon. She was basically saying that you need to be committed to your business idea and do the legwork yourself in order to succeed.

If they hadn't included that bit people would probably be asking why Mylene Klass was on a business show!

It's the inclusion of a 'comedian' each week that I find irritating”

Tend to agree with you, particuarly about the 'comedians', very few have anything relevant let alone remotely funny to say. No idea who or what that idiot was last night. Pointless.
Steve™
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by allafix:
“If anyone can criticise anyone, why did you question what I had achieved?
”

Put simply because anyone can criticise anyone. You were not quite so ready to share your acheivements as you were to run down Myleene.

Originally Posted by M@nterik:
“Klass is hardly a businesswoman in any sense of the word, more a brand advocate.”

I disagree. She is very switched on and takes an active role in her business. Does she do everything in her business, unlikely, but then who does?!
tinkie
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by Mr. Chips:
“The irony with Myleene's Baby K range is that she never has time to spend with her own children.”

Oh how I agree with you
allafix
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by Steve™:
“Put simply because anyone can criticise anyone. You were not quite so ready to share your acheivements as you were to run down Myleene.”

I don't need to blow my own trumpet here and you probably wouldn't believe anything I said anyway. I was wondering why, if anyone could criticise anyone, my own achievements were at all relevant to you.

However I will say, FYI, that I own and run an international business which is more than Myleene Klass does.

Originally Posted by Steve™:
“I disagree. She is very switched on and takes an active role in her business. Does she do everything in her business, unlikely, but then who does?!”

She just puts her name to their designs. Nothing more. All that guff on You're Fired was just hot air.
Jepson
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by allafix:
“She just puts her name to their designs. Nothing more. All that guff on You're Fired was just hot air.”

That's actually a very serious allegation.

You are saying the she told outright, blatant, lies.

Do you have any evidence?
M@nterik
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by Steve™:
“I disagree. She is very switched on and takes an active role in her business. Does she do everything in her business, unlikely, but then who does?!”

I see her PR are earning their money.

Steve™
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by allafix:
“However I will say, FYI, that I own and run an international business which is more than Myleene Klass does.


She just puts her name to their designs. Nothing more. All that guff on You're Fired was just hot air.”

In what way is it more than she does??

Thats rubbish. She takes an active role at design levels.

Originally Posted by Jepson:
“That's actually a very serious allegation.

You are saying the she told outright, blatant, lies.

Do you have any evidence?”

Thats like asking him for evidence of his "international business"

Originally Posted by M@nterik:
“I see her PR are earning their money.

”

Thats the usual relationship between client and PR company
allafix
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by Steve™:
“In what way is it more than she does??”

She doesn't own a business, she licenses her name as a brand to Mothercare.

I added that snippet to show I know just a little about business and running international projects to comment here from personal experience. MK is of course the world's (self appointed) authority on motherhood so naturally is a superior being in every way.

Originally Posted by Steve™:
“Thats rubbish. She takes an active role at design levels.”

According to her... Mind you, listening to her on You're Fired last night it sounded like she ran the whole business single handed.
M@nterik
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by Steve™:
“ Thats the usual relationship between client and PR company”

Indeed.

If people want to be spoon fed their propoganda so be it.
M@nterik
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by allafix:
“She doesn't own a business, she licenses her name as a brand to Mothercare.

I added that snippet to show I know just a little about business and running international projects to comment here from personal experience. MK is of course the world's (self appointed) authority on motherhood so naturally is a superior being in every way.


According to her... Mind you, listening to her on You're Fired last night it sounded like she ran the whole business single handed.”

She'll be running ICI next from the way she was talking.
diary_room
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by allafix:
“But the products used in the select and sell tasks aren't usually explicitly referred to by name. We just see a quick demo of the concept. To find out more about them you have to do a bit more research, so it's not really a plug. Unlike "Baby K" which was given about five minutes of free plug time on You're Fired and was unrelated to the task shown.”

The whole show was a plug for the 4 items they were selling.

Whereas based on the YF segment I have no idea what any of Myleene Klass's products look like or where to get them from.

Get a bit of perspective.
Steve™
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by allafix:
“She doesn't own a business, she licenses her name as a brand to Mothercare.

I added that snippet to show I know just a little about business and running international projects to comment here from personal experience. MK is of course the world's (self appointed) authority on motherhood so naturally is a superior being in every way. ”

Right lets see some sources for some of this shite you are coming out with. Links please!

You and your "international projects" guff aint gonna cut it with me.

She owns her own Limited company, the Trademarks for Baby K are belogning to her, and registered for multiple categories not just clothing....not to mention other similar marks registered probably for future products.
allafix
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by Steve™:
“Right lets see some sources for some of this shite you are coming out with. Links please!

You and your "international projects" guff aint gonna cut it with me.

She owns her own Limited company, the Trademarks for Baby K are belogning to her, and registered for multiple categories not just clothing....not to mention other similar marks registered probably for future products.”

Charming. Accusing me of coming out with "shite" is hardly within the Ts and Cs so tread carefully. And of course it opens you up to similar accusations.

See, I told you you wouldn't believe me. Tis all true though. I own and run a limited company which operates worldwide. I've run high value projects internationally. But I really don't care if you believe me or not. So I'm not rising to your bait, because I value my privacy.

Registering trademarks (as with your forum handle it seems ) is not rocket science, nor is extending them to possible future applications.
allafix
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by diary_room:
“The whole show was a plug for the 4 items they were selling.

Whereas based on the YF segment I have no idea what any of Myleene Klass's products look like or where to get them from.

Get a bit of perspective.”

She went into great detail about how wonderful her stuff was and the brand name Baby K got a big mention. Such publicity is worth thousands. In contrast the main show gave no clue as to who made the four items "plugged" in the task. The products were shown warts and all, but brand names were not mentioned. Yes you could google it, but that's up to you.

My issue is why business owners on You're Fired (she wasn't the first to get a free plug) can be allowed to hold forth about their own wonderful products. Baby K was far worse because it had very little to do with the task. The rubbish collecting guru got plenty of plug time too, but at least his business was relevant to the task, which was about rubbish collection.
Steve™
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by allafix:
“Charming. Accusing me of coming out with "shite" is hardly within the Ts and Cs so tread carefully. And of course it opens you up to similar accusations.

See, I told you you wouldn't believe me. Tis all true though. I own and run a limited company which operates worldwide. I've run high value projects internationally. But I really don't care if you believe me or not. So I'm not rising to your bait, because I value my privacy.

Registering trademarks (as with your forum handle it seems ) is not rocket science, nor is extending them to possible future applications.”


So are you going to come out with sources for what effectively is a serious allegation against Myleene? Or, as I said before it is complete nonsense that you have made up? I'll stand corrected if you prove me wrong.

Also, no I dont believe you run this company...if it even exists. You are far too green and spend far too much time posting on DS....I'm sure Myleene is far too busy to do that
allafix
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by Steve™:
“So are you going to come out with sources for what effectively is a serious allegation against Myleene? Or, as I said before it is complete nonsense that you have made up? I'll stand corrected if you prove me wrong.

Also, no I dont believe you run this company...if it even exists. You are far too green and spend far too much time posting on DS....I'm sure Myleene is far too busy to do that”

What do you mean "you are far too green"? You clearly have no clue. What makes you the expert in judging people. Fancy giving away some links about your personal successes? No, I thought not.

As your comments seem to amount to accusing people of talking "shite" and being "too green" I don't think they're of any real value to the debate.
Steve™
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by allafix:
“What do you mean "you are far too green"? You clearly have no clue. What makes you the expert in judging people. Fancy giving away some links about your personal successes? No, I thought not.

As your comments seem to amount to accusing people of talking "shite" and being "too green" I don't think they're of any real value to the debate.”


In other words; "I'm going to get offended so I dont have to provide the links back up the allegations I made against Myleene".

Thats ok. Its clear now

By the way, nice how you run down Myleene yet seem so sensitive yourself.
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