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So LordSurAlan thought it was admirable that Melody bulldozed her way through....
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aussie_dave_
23-06-2011
ignoring her teammates.

Wonder if he'll say the same thing if he sets up a business with her and suddenly finds shes doing her own thing and ignoring his direction.

Won't seem so admirable then ......

Its so annoying really ...... one week LordSurAlan is lambasting someone for not operating in a team, then the next week he's praising someone for not being a team player.

You cant have it both ways LordSurYourHonourHolinessAlanSugar.
Jepson
23-06-2011
Sugar can be a bit of a plonker at times.

What he said about Melody last night was a perfect example of him demonstrating the fact.

On the other hand, she did do a great deal of work for the task so he was probably right to sack Leon who did nothing.

I'd have fired them both.
Handers
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by aussie_dave_:
“ignoring her teammates.

Wonder if he'll say the same thing if he sets up a business with her and suddenly finds shes doing her own thing and ignoring his direction.

Won't seem so admirable then ......

Its so annoying really ...... one week LordSurAlan is lambasting someone for not operating in a team, then the next week he's praising someone for not being a team player.

You cant have it both ways LordSurYourHonourHolinessAlanSugar.”

She did that because the others let her! That's what he found admirable, that she went for it relentlessly - this has not been a noticeable ruthless pattern we have seen from her before, when she saw the chance, she took it.
spannerandpony
23-06-2011
Fair enough, Melody worked her socks off last night, although her motives were questionable.

However, she cooked the books with regard to the market research ("Yes, it's a good idea" = "She thought it was just OK"), and she's so upwardly mobile it's untrue. Sralan wasn't wrong when he said she'd tread on anyone.

However, I've had to work with someone like that, and it's a nightmare. I'd hardly call it an admirable trait.
aussie_dave_
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by spannerandpony:
“Fair enough, Melody worked her socks off last night, although her motives were questionable.

However, she cooked the books with regard to the market research ("Yes, it's a good idea" = "She thought it was just OK"), and she's so upwardly mobile it's untrue. Sralan wasn't wrong when he said she'd tread on anyone.

However, I've had to work with someone like that, and it's a nightmare. I'd hardly call it an admirable trait.”

And if SirAlun isnt careful it'll be him that she steps on next. Remember it'll be HER that will be doing the day to day running of the business, would you want to be 50/50 with a business partner you couldnt trust to follow your instructions because they always thought they knew better?
prints
23-06-2011
What some of us see as selfishness and arrogance, AS sees it as self-assertion and belligeernce. As a person I couldn't deal with her but in bussiness she gets the job done, as they said: stepping anybody in her way. Ans AS likes that.

she didn't only impress AS but Karen and Nick as well. This will inflate her ego even more.
Shrike
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by aussie_dave_:
“...You cant have it both ways LordSurYourHonourHolinessAlanSugar.”

"I didn't get where I am today by being consistant Aussie Dave!"

Lordalun has often castigated candidates in the past for being too chummy and 'nicey-nicey' saying "there's only one job at the end of this" - but then he has also reamed them out for not pulling together as a team.
I think he was probably using his usual 20-20 hindsight in that Melody had successfully sold at her appointments. If she had screwed them up and the other subteam had been successful at theirs then, of course, his tone would have been very different.
prints
23-06-2011
I am surprised that noone else in the program yesterday (or even in the "you're fired one) mentioned the fact that she was not saying the truth about the market research that she and Leon did in France.

Most of the answers they showed in the program were positive for the booster seat and most of the people were laughing at the idea of a teapot lamp. but when she was on the phone to Tom, she told him quite the opposite.

It was just me who realised that, or I misunderstood that?.
Carman
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by prints:
“I am surprised that noone else in the program yesterday (or even in the "you're fired one) mentioned the fact that she was not saying the truth about the market research that she and Leon did in France.

Most of the answers they showed in the program were positive for the booster seat and most of the people were laughing at the idea of a teapot lamp. but when she was on the phone to Tom, she told him quite the opposite.

It was just me who realised that, or I misunderstood that?.”

No, I thought that as well and was surprised nothing was said about it in the boardroom. She even translated it wrongly to Leon straight after.

I think Melody and Jim are being kept on for their entertainment value.
OnaOakey
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by prints:
“I am surprised that noone else in the program yesterday (or even in the "you're fired one) mentioned the fact that she was not saying the truth about the market research that she and Leon did in France.

Most of the answers they showed in the program were positive for the booster seat and most of the people were laughing at the idea of a teapot lamp. but when she was on the phone to Tom, she told him quite the opposite.

It was just me who realised that, or I misunderstood that?.”

Not only that, but the second one person mentioned that they took the Metro more, she latched onto that and twisted the questions and answers to fit in with what she wanted.

And then she spent that evening moaning about the lamp
sandyko321
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by prints:
“I am surprised that noone else in the program yesterday (or even in the "you're fired one) mentioned the fact that she was not saying the truth about the market research that she and Leon did in France.

Most of the answers they showed in the program were positive for the booster seat and most of the people were laughing at the idea of a teapot lamp. but when she was on the phone to Tom, she told him quite the opposite.

It was just me who realised that, or I misunderstood that?.”

That's right. She admitted she'd only interviewed four people, then called it "market research". She also failed to give Tom the information he'd asked for about La Redoute. All this was mentioned in the boardroom, but only in passing. Tom should have made much more of it.
I don't rate Melody at all. She was the one who went off on her own in the "Rubbish" task and set up the deal with the dodgy builders which lost the team a lot of time and nearly cost them the win.
Plus her French may have been better than the others', but it's not that good.
spannerandpony
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by prints:
“I am surprised that noone else in the program yesterday (or even in the "you're fired one) mentioned the fact that she was not saying the truth about the market research that she and Leon did in France.

Most of the answers they showed in the program were positive for the booster seat and most of the people were laughing at the idea of a teapot lamp. but when she was on the phone to Tom, she told him quite the opposite.

It was just me who realised that, or I misunderstood that?.”

No, you're right. One woman said it was a really good idea, and Melody translated that to Leon as "she thought it was just ok". I know Leon didn't speak French and Tom etc. weren't actually there at that moment, but if I'd have been the cameraman I'd have dobbed her in.
spannerandpony
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by aussie_dave_:
“And if SirAlun isnt careful it'll be him that she steps on next. Remember it'll be HER that will be doing the day to day running of the business, would you want to be 50/50 with a business partner you couldnt trust to follow your instructions because they always thought they knew better?”

...*and* who p*ssed anyone working for her off so much that they all resigned and refused to work with her?!
Zoltan Smith
23-06-2011
How did no one pick her up on her "market research" bs line


6 people, random selection, no product

Tom is such a t wat for listening to her
super bantams
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by prints:
“What some of us see as selfishness and arrogance, AS sees it as self-assertion and belligeernce. As a person I couldn't deal with her but in bussiness she gets the job done, as they said: stepping anybody in her way. Ans AS likes that.

she didn't only impress AS but Karen and Nick as well. This will inflate her ego even more.”

What AS said was I thought out of character and I do believe he will get rid of her when he said 'she will walk over anybody and spit them out for breakfast', people like her will do that to their own mother so he would be no exception if he hired her and he knows that
Chasing Shadows
23-06-2011
She'll end up a runner-up. Like Claire Young, like Ruth Badger, like Saira Kahn, like Debra Barr. He admires the strong women who take no bullshit and go off and do their own thing, but he never ends up hiring them at the end, cos he wants to be in charge and knows that they won't be the meek little "yes-man/woman" that the winner always ends up being.

Let's face it, we know who's going to win. She's won every task so far, and seems to be the best bits of every previous winner rolled into one, except for that Cockney tool who pretended to be a pterodactyl.
perdiedumpling
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by spannerandpony:
“No, you're right. One woman said it was a really good idea, and Melody translated that to Leon as "she thought it was just ok". I know Leon didn't speak French and Tom etc. weren't actually there at that moment, but if I'd have been the cameraman I'd have dobbed her in. ”

I don't understand though how Leon didn't start to piece things together. He knew enough about which product Melody was explaining at which time to produce the appropriate drawings, and he wasn't tuned in enough to see whether their reaction was favorable or not? I'd start to get suspicious if someone was smiling and nodding and Melody translates as "just OK". Too easy to just fall back and say I didn't speak the language.
spannerandpony
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by perdiedumpling:
“I don't understand though how Leon didn't start to piece things together. He knew enough about which product Melody was explaining at which time to produce the appropriate drawings, and he wasn't tuned in enough to see whether their reaction was favorable or not? I'd start to get suspicious if someone was smiling and nodding and Melody translates as "just OK". Too easy to just fall back and say I didn't speak the language.”

I think Leon simply couldn't be bothered on this task; he came across as quite happy to sit back and let Melody do everything, even if it meant her taking the credit. He just didn't seem interested at all.
Button62
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by prints:
“What some of us see as selfishness and arrogance, AS sees it as self-assertion and belligeernce. As a person I couldn't deal with her but in bussiness she gets the job done, as they said: stepping anybody in her way. Ans AS likes that.

she didn't only impress AS but Karen and Nick as well. This will inflate her ego even more.”

The problem with your argument is that in the real world it just doesn't work.

It's all very well trampling over a bunch of people who you will never be friends with to get the job, but once you have the job these tactics are useless.

If she worked for me and behaved like that she would be no asset whatsoever.
aussie_dave_
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by spannerandpony:
“I think Leon simply couldn't be bothered on this task; he came across as quite happy to sit back and let Melody do everything, even if it meant her taking the credit. He just didn't seem interested at all.”

Remember there was a 50/50 chance he would emerge unscathed ..... (before they entered the boardroom) so maybe he figured that this wasnt the task for him and he would take his chances, particularly on seeing Melody do so well. Probably figured he'd enjoy his prize that week and worry about pulling his weight next week.
Button62
23-06-2011
I believe that Leon thought that because he was with Melody the bulldog their efforts would be looked at as a team.

Tom should have been dumped on his arse last night for as far as I can tell the only decent thing he did was ask them to research the company in line for the pitch ( which he failed to follow up ). Otherwise he was weak and ineffectual bordering on doltish.

This year above all others LordSiralan seems to have his favourites who will stay no matter how crap they are. Tom has only won twice ... the first one courtesy of Helen.
kegsie
23-06-2011
He'll probably fire her for doing exactly the same thing in the next week or two.
Socha
23-06-2011
He called her a tiger and was almost drooling when he said to Nick and Karren that she was 'ruthless' and that she'd 'walk all over the rest of them'.

Very admirable qualities indeed and confrming all the clichés about business....
Shrike
23-06-2011
Originally Posted by Socha:
“He called her a tiger and was almost drooling when he said to Nick and Karren that she was 'ruthless' and that she'd 'walk all over the rest of them'.

Very admirable qualities indeed and confrming all the clichés about business.... ”

If Paul Kelmsy is back on the interview panel no doubt he will be wanting to marry her
Styker
23-06-2011
I thought she got away with murder! The people where telling her the rucksack was a good idea and then she told Tom they liked the tea pot instead all because she wanted to go with the tea pot!

If Sugar hadn't made them do that split, and half of them staying in London and the other half in France, then Nick would have probably been there to have seen what Melody did and exposed her!

I do find and think Sugar is all over the place on how he let Melody stay. Imo he always contradicts himself on his decisions and how he reaches them, in previous series he has sacked people for doing the kind of thing Melody did with the market reseach.

Did people see that smile on his face when he realised what she had done? I took from that, that he had sussed what she had done but decided he was goinng to keep her regardless and I do not think its a coincidence that he keeps on making allowances for pretty girls!
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