I never understood the convenience angle sold by Helen. Evidently part of the pitch ended on the floor as cuttings to save time. Not being a parent I never understood the need for a self-sufficient safety seat portable between cars and carried like a satchel on a child's back -- until your explanation for which thanks.

If there were alternatives on offer in the market then price comes into it, but if this product is a new idea and unique in the market then economy cannot be a consideration, as a child's safety is beyond price.

"We care for your children, we care for the safety of your children," said Helen, speaking like one mother to another. The Frenchwoman unfroze and beamed at the Englishwoman. Helen was a credit not only to Sugar, but to Britain, to the entente cordial.

I dont like the term 'hater', but i know what you mean.

I'm not a Susan 'fan', but there is so much negativity posted about her that is clearly vitriolic and misrepresentative that I find myself commenting in what is then termed as defence. Before I know where I am I'm labelled a fan and accused of hating KB for disliking Susan.

Helen did win that sale but she was supported by Susan and she was selling a good product, identified by Susan. I'd have liked to see her trying to sell them that tea pot.

I though KB was terrible last year and she had confirmed my feelings ths year, nothing to do with Susan.

It's not an ideal term because it almost certainly overstates the emotional intensity involved.

But the people I characterise as 'haters' do seem to me to be obsessively negative about the objects of their derision.

The trouble is that then, as you say, those defending the target out of a sense of justice become 'fans who won't hear a word said against' and people innocently expressing a perfectly valid negative opinion risk getting lumped in with the 'haters'.

Yeah. That's what i think too

Personally, I've been back and forth with Susan. Seeing the clip for tomorrow's show last week, regarding the arguement with Zoe, things look like they're getting unbelievably personal - on both sides - to the effect that things are in danger of getting out of hand. Now in fairness to Susan, Zoe has never shown her distaste of her - even if you watch closely attempting to get people onside, against her - and even the most patient can only put up with that for a while. I get the impression tomorrow, the mouse really will roar.

I do feel Karen was being overly pedantic with Susan's comment. Most reasonably intelligent people would understand perfectly well what Susan was getting at, irrespective of the use of injudicious 'on-camera' language. It's as if Karen needs an obviously-signposted 'focal point' of criticism during each show (qv the Top Hat thingy).

Karren has failed to learn Lesson One for TV commentators -- never describe what the audience can already see.

Evidently she cannot see herself the way others see her. Two(?) years after arriving on the programme her mistique as a woman footie manager has gone, and her TV appeal is based solely on her performance on-camera -- for how much longer?