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Old 24-06-2011, 19:36
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I know Chris got to the final last year, but on the whole they seem either weak and pushovers such as Tom and Leon or too much the other way such as Jim.

Most of the male candidates this year have been pretty appaling.

Just as well it is not a public vote though
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Old 24-06-2011, 19:54
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Apart from statistical variance the only explanation I can come up with is that Sugar's liking for the 'barrow boy' mentality causes him to dump the type of men that prefer to give a little thought to things in favour of those who wade in and get stuck in even if they don't really have a clue.

It may be that women have a subtly different split that means he doesn't tend to get rid of the good ones early on.

Or it could just be that women are generally better than us.

I'll get me coat.
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Old 24-06-2011, 20:20
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The boys always make stupid mistakes that not even a 4 year old would make
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Old 24-06-2011, 21:43
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I'd have to agree that the male candidates of late have in general been poor in comparison to the women, but I honestly don't think that women are better in business - probably equal - but the people in charge seem to have chosen male candidates that would deliberately crash and burn. Take this series for example, Edward was shocking, but was put in for entertainment sake rather then for business skills. Gavin's timid demenour was almost an assurity to be bulldozed by the more forcefull candidates. Vincent's bravado, again for entertainments sake. Did the producers really expect any of these to go far?
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Old 25-06-2011, 00:28
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I know Chris got to the final last year, but on the whole they seem either weak and pushovers such as Tom and Leon or too much the other way such as Jim.

Most of the male candidates this year have been pretty appaling.

Just as well it is not a public vote though
We don't know who applies though. it might be that there's a trend for better females to apply and better males not to. Or it may be they pick more stereotypical males (posh bloke, nerdy bloke, market trader, estate agent, northerner, ex military, etc) and there are fewer female stereotypes that are n the casting list? It may be because a lot of the equivalent female sterotypes don't exist in the public imagination? There's also something perhaps to do with rewards. As, perhaps, with big Brother , its the females who tend to make money or new careers from the show by doing other new things. Look at what Saira, Ruth, Michelle and Kate or Clare, Laura and Liz or even Katie have done compared to any male candidate. That might explain why more good females want to do the show and why there's less in it for the boys??
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Old 25-06-2011, 00:46
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I didn't think Glenn was that bad, I'm still surprised he was fired for being an engineer! Why even let him on the show if you don't like engineers?!
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Old 25-06-2011, 00:58
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Real men are too busy getting real jobs.
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Old 25-06-2011, 11:29
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I didn't think Glenn was that bad, I'm still surprised he was fired for being an engineer! Why even let him on the show if you don't like engineers?!
Well Andy was fired for being the youngest and the shortest
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Old 25-06-2011, 11:39
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Real men are too busy getting real jobs.
Bless! What an excuse!

I don't think there's any particular reason or it's anything to do with gender, as such. It's coincidence and I don't think it would be as remarked upon, the other way around. And I don't think it says or means anything at all about men.
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Old 25-06-2011, 11:44
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I know Chris got to the final last year, but on the whole they seem either weak and pushovers such as Tom and Leon or too much the other way such as Jim.

Most of the male candidates this year have been pretty appaling.

Just as well it is not a public vote though
I dont think its a gender thing. Which of the women are exceptionally good? Helen and Susan have a little promise for very different reasons. Natasha is as subtle as a carthorse and Melody and Zoe are hard faced bitches with no substance.
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Old 25-06-2011, 11:45
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I don't think there's any particular reason or it's anything to do with gender, as such. It's coincidence and I don't think it would be as remarked upon, the other way around.
I don't think it would be allowed to happen the other way round.

I think someone would have had a 'quiet word' with LAS before he got to a 5-2 ratio.

And I can see no reason why it cannot be a 5-1 ratio after next week.
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Old 25-06-2011, 11:45
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Real men are too busy getting real jobs.
And real women are at home, making their tea
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Old 25-06-2011, 11:50
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I don't think it would be allowed to happen the other way round.

I think someone would have had a 'quiet word' with LAS before he got to a 5-2 ratio.

And I can see no reason why it cannot be a 5-1 ratio after next week.
I disagree because I wouldn't have thought it would be allowed either way around, if that was true, because there would be some controversy either way. So I think it's just the way it's worked out.
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Old 25-06-2011, 11:58
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I disagree because I wouldn't have thought it would be allowed either way around, if that was true, because there would be some controversy either way.
There is a definite asymmetry between what is allowed (and I don't mean by any formal rules) when it comes to men and women on TV.

Think of all the modern adverts that you've seen where a man does something stupid or ineptly and a woman turns up to save the day.

Now try and think of one where a woman is the numpty and a man saves the day.

(You may sometimes see old adverts from the 50's and 60's were women were patronised in the most excruciating way. )
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Old 25-06-2011, 15:00
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Real men are too busy getting real jobs.
I suspect that women find it harder than men to get real jobs, even if they are equally capable of doing them. And I suspect the same is true for people with ethnic backgrounds. So it may be that such people are more willing to consider The Apprentice as a viable option.
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Old 25-06-2011, 15:06
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I don't think it would be allowed to happen the other way round.

I think someone would have had a 'quiet word' with LAS before he got to a 5-2 ratio.

And I can see no reason why it cannot be a 5-1 ratio after next week.
The ratio in the first series was 6 men to 2 women in the final 8. It was a big deal, and discussed on the show as to whether women in business (tm Kaen Brady) were a bit rubbish. St Miriam of the Blessed Bathwater turned up on the finale and said it was because women couldn't work together.
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Old 21-06-2013, 17:14
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Ironic, that in the last two years, last year in particular, the girls have been somewhat annihilated!
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Old 21-06-2013, 20:36
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Has anyone ever worked out the total number of women on winnings teams versus the total number of men

I think women might have the best of it but it would be interesting
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Old 21-06-2013, 20:52
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Funny enough I thought that in the early series the women always won the early contests - then it started to reverse itself.
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Old 21-06-2013, 21:10
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There is a definite asymmetry between what is allowed (and I don't mean by any formal rules) when it comes to men and women on TV.

Think of all the modern adverts that you've seen where a man does something stupid or ineptly and a woman turns up to save the day.

Now try and think of one where a woman is the numpty and a man saves the day.

(You may sometimes see old adverts from the 50's and 60's were women were patronised in the most excruciating way. )
That old chestnut. Lots of ads stereotype women, as well as men. Some people tend to over-react to anything that stereotypes men because they're not as used to it.

It's the old 'that person is a bad driver because she's a woman' and 'that man is a bad driver because he's a bad driver' sort of confirmation bias.

And that's why people tend to say things if there are more women than men in these sort of shows (or panels) but don't, if they are more men.
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Old 21-06-2013, 23:22
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There is a definite asymmetry between what is allowed (and I don't mean by any formal rules) when it comes to men and women on TV.

Think of all the modern adverts that you've seen where a man does something stupid or ineptly and a woman turns up to save the day.

Now try and think of one where a woman is the numpty and a man saves the day.

(You may sometimes see old adverts from the 50's and 60's were women were patronised in the most excruciating way. )
Arent ads like these just taking the piss out of the old fashioned ads you mentioned though where all women were shown to be pretty helpless and needing a man to save them? That was always what I thought their angle was, anyway.
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Old 22-06-2013, 13:52
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This is going to be a controversial thing to say but I think it's because men and women have different strengths. Women are a lot psycho-socially smarter than men whereas men are better at in-depth technical roles like I.T. and engineering. However I believe psychology and sociology is more important in business as business is about people. If you know how to sell to people, whether you are selling products, people, or ideas, you will excel in business.
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