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Old 18-07-2011, 12:14
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That was about 25/30 minutes I FF'd.
The rest, very good....Loved the GTR, in the Wet.
And Rowan....
How many times has he Bean on now.
Just shows how different people have different tastes. The rail part was ridiculous but still funny. I skipped the bit with the fast cars (no idea what type) being "tested", usually find those parts boring.
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Old 18-07-2011, 12:20
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Thought it was a good episode tonight, the train challenge was entertaining, and Rowan Atkinson was a good guest, he is known for not giving many interviews so to get him on the show was a good move.

No wonder it was noisy and shaking in the caravans, they were bolted onto track trolleys that the track workers use for moving equipment about.

They seem to have something about setting caravans on fire, you knew what was gonna happen, but I would of been dissapointed if it hadn't caught fire.
When Hammond put the chip pan on, you knew that caravan was ashes. What surprised me is that two of them escaped unharmed. I expected the whole train to go up. Maybe the TG guys are going soft in their old age
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Old 18-07-2011, 12:24
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Not the best of the series so far tonight, but still enjoyable enough, did the job as per. The train challenge was ridiculous, but the tannoy bits and the scum class "carriage" especially made me laugh out loud! Rowan Atkinson was decent value, didn't expect him to go to the top of the board though! It's Simon Cowell's turn in the Kia next week, should be good.

Finding the opening clips with Clarkson's VO a bit OTT now, he used to do it once a series now it's every week, overkill definitely.
The Radiotimes has Bob Geldof as TSITRPC next week??

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Old 18-07-2011, 12:40
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Yes, I am aware of that, but he wasn't there as the character Mr Bean, he was there as himself. I really don't see the point you are trying to make here.
I think the point is in order to act as Mr Bean you must have a element of strange in you (although the way he talks is affected by his stuttering). However saying that, it does Rowan a discredit that people remember him as Mr Bean rather than Blackadder, where again on Top Gear showed that intelligence and simple one words could be made funny. Also in his early days as a standup are widely ignored but base the foundation for both characters.

Excellent guest to have on, he knew his cars, knew the audience and just fitted the format perfectly.

As for the 'challenge' I think people are looking at it too much and falling to realise they do have a point, why on earth are trains so costly, I get that they work a lot on the stability and comfort side but it is way over priced.

Also was anyone surprised a caravan was burnt and another one smashed to pieces, all caravans on Top Gear end up like that its one of the running gags.
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Old 18-07-2011, 12:44
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Jeremy actually admitted in The Sun that he's very good friends with Rebekah.
Hence the dig about all the Chipping Norton set being in jail.
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Old 18-07-2011, 13:02
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Haven't seen the show for a little while but watched this one! I thought the train challenge was amusing until the point when Hammond threw the banana into the "scum class" caravan ... I almost fell off the armchair laughing and continued to chuckle for the rest of the show!!

Loved Rowan Atkinson ... did Jeremy Clarkson say that he had not been on the show before? I thought he always did well in the SIARPC challenge????
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Old 18-07-2011, 13:07
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All you need to know about Star....Car.

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Old 18-07-2011, 13:35
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As for the 'challenge' I think people are looking at it too much and falling to realise they do have a point, why on earth are trains so costly, I get that they work a lot on the stability and comfort side but it is way over priced.
You say that - I booked tickets last week for mid-August - Gloucester to Gatwick (about 140 miles) - me and 2 kids for 20 total!
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Old 18-07-2011, 13:40
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It was OK, but I think they need to have a good think about what they want to be. Are they going to be something like a themed version of Brainiac, or a proper car programme ?

A lot of it, such as the train challenge, is really best suited to kids from about 5 to 15, as is a lot of their marketing, but the language isn't really. Also, the challenges were always scripted to add a bit of drama but now is obviously much more so than ever before.
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Old 18-07-2011, 14:20
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It was OK, but I think they need to have a good think about what they want to be. Are they going to be something like a themed version of Brainiac, or a proper car programme ?

A lot of it, such as the train challenge, is really best suited to kids from about 5 to 15, as is a lot of their marketing, but the language isn't really. Also, the challenges were always scripted to add a bit of drama but now is obviously much more so than ever before.
4-12 even, the trains bit looked interesting to begin with, but went downhill pretty quickly, you could see the "fire" coming a mile off, the only thing that made me think something else would happen was that I thought, no way would they be that unimaginative and predictable, I was wrong
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Old 18-07-2011, 15:00
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I love the show but i wish everything wasn't as staged as it is.
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Old 18-07-2011, 15:06
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I think the point is in order to act as Mr Bean you must have a element of strange in you (although the way he talks is affected by his stuttering). However saying that, it does Rowan a discredit that people remember him as Mr Bean rather than Blackadder, where again on Top Gear showed that intelligence and simple one words could be made funny. Also in his early days as a standup are widely ignored but base the foundation for both characters.
Couldn't agree more! I mentioned him in a conversation with some work colleagues recently and one replied, "Urgh, I can't stand Mr Bean. Don't find that sort of thing funny at all".

I did want to explain, but felt I'd be wasting my breath.
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Old 18-07-2011, 15:12
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Jeremy actually admitted in The Sun that he's very good friends with Rebekah.

Just goes to show you that most if not all of his discriminations are just a pantomime act, I can imagine he is quite a different person off camera
If you didn't know Clarksons on screen persona is a character, then...well now you do.

I always thought he did stuff because he knew it would annoy people.
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Old 18-07-2011, 15:40
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The nicest sportsmen I have ever seen no snobbery, no full of himself just a genuinely nice guy.

If only all sportsmen were like Vettel.
Have just watched Vettel and wholeheartedly agree with you-what a lovely bloke
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Old 18-07-2011, 17:29
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I love the show but i wish everything wasn't as staged as it is.
with respect, just about ANY 'factual' (or 'reality') show on TV has a certain amount of script and guidance in it. If it didnt, it would be very very boring to watch.
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Old 18-07-2011, 17:46
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It was OK, but I think they need to have a good think about what they want to be. Are they going to be something like a themed version of Brainiac, or a proper car programme ?

A lot of it, such as the train challenge, is really best suited to kids from about 5 to 15, as is a lot of their marketing, but the language isn't really. Also, the challenges were always scripted to add a bit of drama but now is obviously much more so than ever before.
Depends what you mean by a "proper car programme", the petrolheads want 60 minutes of expensive fast cars that they will never be able to afford being driven around in circles to try and wreck the expensive tyres.

I would like an intelligent discussion about vehicles of all types and driving in general. The much missed Going Places on Radio 4 used to cover all aspects of transports and all types of vehicles - I remember a good serious road test of a real snow blower not a joke one as on Top Gear.

But Top Gear is just entertainment that fills in an hour and gives a few laughs.
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Old 18-07-2011, 17:47
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with respect, just about ANY 'factual' (or 'reality') show on TV has a certain amount of script and guidance in it. If it didnt, it would be very very boring to watch.
It would just be nice if SOME of the mishaps and banter weren't scripted.
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Old 18-07-2011, 18:11
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Top Gear was okay.

Wish they'd sort the editing out. Jeremy's car switched from one track to the other and back in several consecutive shots.
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Old 18-07-2011, 18:33
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I think that the overall issue with the programme is it mixes comedy & fact too much.

Reading this thread, it is clear some people tune in for the factual side of the programme, such as the fast-car-reviews and road tests, wheras other prefer the comedy challenges such as last night's hilarious (in my opinion) train challenge.

What the BBC really need to decide is whether it is a factual or comedy programme. Mixing the two clearly doesn't work.

I believe that the three presenters together doing their challenges works well, as each of them work well as a comparison to each of their individual personalities.

In which case, a show featuring all of their weird, wacky
and laughable challenges should be aired seperate to all the factual stuff.

When TG was on in the 80's, it was purely factual. And half an hour. So why don't they do a purely factual review show, under the name 'Top Gear', that lasts half an hour, and is say broadcast on sunday nights,

And then have a seperate 'Top Gear: The Challenges' show featuring all the humour on in a primetime slot, say, 8pm tuesdays / wednesdays.

Then the audience could choose which part to watch and save all of the criticism the current show gets from people who only like certain aspects.
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Old 18-07-2011, 18:44
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I'd be willing to bet that a purely factual programme, even if it were built around fast cars and supercars, would not have the same energy or feeling and would suffer as a result, both creatively and ratings-wise. Perhaps many people are attracted by both elements anyway.
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Old 18-07-2011, 18:47
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The show is as popular as ever but you lot still moan and groan.
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Old 18-07-2011, 21:27
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What the BBC really need to decide is whether it is a factual or comedy programme. Mixing the two clearly doesn't work.
To (ironically and appropriately) paraphrase Blackadder, you couldn't be more wrong if you'd graduated from the University of Wrong with a first class degree in wrongness.

I merely state the following facts:

10 years.
17 series.
Sold to almost every country on Earth.
3 international spinoff versions.
The highest rating TV show on BBC2
The highest rating TV show on Dave

And for those of you who wonder what Clarkson is really like outside of his media life, look at his excellent, thoughtful, reserved, entertaining yet accomplished documentaries on the VC, the St Nazaire Raid, Inventions that Changed The World (where he mourns a computer geek who commited suicide because he was homosexual in 1940s/50s Britain) and above all, his iconic, legendary portrait of Brunel that would have made Fred Dibnah proud. THAT's the real Clarkson.
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Old 18-07-2011, 23:04
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To (ironically and appropriately) paraphrase Blackadder, you couldn't be more wrong if you'd graduated from the University of Wrong with a first class degree in wrongness.

I merely state the following facts:

10 years.
17 series.
Sold to almost every country on Earth.
3 international spinoff versions.
The highest rating TV show on BBC2
The highest rating TV show on Dave

And for those of you who wonder what Clarkson is really like outside of his media life, look at his excellent, thoughtful, reserved, entertaining yet accomplished documentaries on the VC, the St Nazaire Raid, Inventions that Changed The World (where he mourns a computer geek who commited suicide because he was homosexual in 1940s/50s Britain) and above all, his iconic, legendary portrait of Brunel that would have made Fred Dibnah proud. THAT's the real Clarkson.
Summed up perfectly MeicY
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Old 18-07-2011, 23:21
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And for those of you who wonder what Clarkson is really like outside of his media life, look at his excellent, thoughtful, reserved, entertaining yet accomplished documentaries on the VC, the St Nazaire Raid, Inventions that Changed The World (where he mourns a computer geek who commited suicide because he was homosexual in 1940s/50s Britain)
Alan Turing, without whome we would not have the computers we have today.

However I must take issue with the earlier posting saying Rowan Atkinson's stand up career was undervalued. He doesn't do it any more but he was major star when he did do it, in a time that predates BlackAdder and Bean by some years. Not The Nine O'Clock News made him a name but his stand up act made him a star, which got him the BlackAdder lead in the first place. I suspect if you mention to any current stand up comedian Atkinson's 'calling the school register' monologue they'll wax lyrical about it for some time.
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Old 18-07-2011, 23:30
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