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Old 27-06-2011, 22:41
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OK. Sky+ box to TV (obviously!) and Sky+ box connected to my Samsung DVD/HDD recorder. When I watch a recording saved on my planner via my Samsung the difference in picture quality is significant in that iit is darker and lackin in clarity compared to the Sky+ version. The desire is to stick the Copa America games coming up on a DVD disk and my guinea pigging tonight in advance of the tournament does not inspire. Any ideas/experiences out there please?
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Old 27-06-2011, 23:18
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If you are using the Sky+ VCR scart you will get crap composite pictures .
Use the tv scart for RGB quality.

If you connect the Sky box to the tv via scart then use the loopthrough.

Connect the Sky box "tv scart" to the input on the dvdr , then the output on the dvdr to the tv .
Ensure input and output of the dvdr are both RGB via the dvdr setup menu

This should ensure high quality recordings from the Sky box and you'll be able to watch the Sky box on the tv when the dvdr is in standby - but not if its on.


Better still get a Sky HD box and connect that to the tv via HDMI leaving the tvscart to go to the dvdr
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Old 27-06-2011, 23:41
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Sorry, sorry.......I have wasted your time........I DO have A HD box and HDMI.

So Sky to TV vIa HDMI and TV to HDD/DVD.

My only excuse is very little sleep last night. Apologies again.
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Old 28-06-2011, 00:29
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Um, that does not work I can't see Sky at all through my Samsung. Time for bed!
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Old 28-06-2011, 11:07
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So Sky to TV vIa HDMI and TV to HDD/DVD.
Sky to TV via HDMI. And Sky to DVDR via scart. TV doesn't go to DVDR - DVDR goes to TV.

Picture quality won't be as good via DVDR because you are only using scart to feed an SD picture to it. Whereas you are using HDMI to feed a (possibly high definition) picture to your TV.
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Old 28-06-2011, 11:29
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Um, that does not work I can't see Sky at all through my Samsung. Time for bed!
Connect as follows.

Sky+HD HDMI to TV for normal Sky watching

Sky TV SCART --> DVDR iinput SCART (prob AV2 - not sure about Samsung AV numbers)
DVDR output SCART (prob AV1) --> TV RGB SCART (SCART1 )

Make sure Sky is set to use SCART control and RGB for recording. (for normal use you may want to take SCART control off to stop the TV auto switching to SCART rather than HDMI). The DVDR should be set to RGB throughout.

Just pressing record on the DVDR should then record Sky, you can then work out the more complicated record stuff using timers etc.

This will give the best possible recording. It will not be HD but will still be pretty good.

When you get this all working and recording well then if your DVDR has HDMI you may want to connect this though it probably won't make much difference to DVDs recorded off Sky.
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Old 28-06-2011, 14:23
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Thanks to both for your efforts. I will try tonight.
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Old 28-06-2011, 21:31
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Um, that does not work I can't see Sky at all through my Samsung. Time for bed!
I'm sure that doesn't work , but its not what I suggested .
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Old 29-06-2011, 00:10
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No worries. I blame it on fatigue on my part!
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Old 02-07-2011, 20:41
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The latest (just to brighten your Saturday!).......I have connected my Old Skool DVD recorder to Sky. Use Argentina x Bolivia as a guinea pig for picture quality and there was a serious difference in watching via my DVD 'feed' of AV1 to HDMI1: less sharp and a darker picture. Changed it to AV2 and the picture was far better. Presumably once I connect my Samsung by way of replacement for my DVD recorder, the picture will be a little better still given that it will go in HDMI2? Before someone tells me - yes I will try that but am just wondering if you have had any similar experiences. Thanks in advance.
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Old 24-07-2011, 15:06
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I still think the picture quality is er, crap! Is the answer perhaps to buy a Blu ray recorder? Anyone got one and can wax lyrical about it?
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Old 24-07-2011, 15:33
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Although you may now have connected the Sky box to the HDD/DVDR you may need to check that the Sky box is set to output RGB (rather than Composite) and that the HDD/DVDR and TV are set to expect RGB.
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Old 24-07-2011, 16:25
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Thanks. I have just changed "Scart Video Output" to RGB from "PAL" and "Scart Control" to "Off". Ain't got a clue if that should represent progress!
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Old 24-07-2011, 18:05
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Thanks. I have just changed "Scart Video Output" to RGB from "PAL" and "Scart Control" to "Off".
If you want rgb, you will need to set the Scart Control to 'on' if I remember correctly. + save settings.
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Old 24-07-2011, 21:47
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And your connection must be from the TV Scart on the Sky box , not the one listed as VCR Scart as that does not output RGB and changing from PAL to RGB won't make any difference on that connection

Getting a Bluray recorder will make no difference as the output from the Sky box will still only be scart quality as the Bluray recorder will not have an HDMI input - output only.
It will only record in HD from its own tuner
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Old 25-07-2011, 00:57
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Thanks to both for your contributions.
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Old 07-08-2011, 13:27
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Please bear with me.......! FINAL word/question on this. I have a HDMI2 socket, so would this not by definition be better than using SCART or RGB? Just putting it out there for the most helpful people (not to say patient) around........ Many thanks in advance.
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Old 07-08-2011, 13:31
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I have a HDMI2 socket, so would this not by definition be better than using SCART or RGB?
You have a HDMI2 socket on what? Certainly not on your DVD recorder. So how would a HDMI2 socket on (say) your TV help you?
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Old 07-08-2011, 14:15
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On my TV. I am thinking (perhaps stupidly) that it - the HDMI2 - is there and we are told that is superior to SCART/RGB - so why not make use of it. Feel free to verbalise me if I am talking sphericals.
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Old 07-08-2011, 14:52
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Please bear with me.......! FINAL word/question on this. I have a HDMI2 socket, so would this not by definition be better than using SCART or RGB? Just putting it out there for the most helpful people (not to say patient) around........ Many thanks in advance.
It's only better if you have an HD source, RGB SCART is already of a far higher quality than SD transmissions are, so even assuming HDMI is capable of higher quality, then you won't gain any advantage (as the limiting factor is the source material).

Many people find RGB SCART is better than HDMI for SD programming, but essentially there should be no difference.

The idea that HDMI is 'better' is basically an advertising com, along with 'upscaling', where they give the totally false impression that upscaling makes SD become HD (where as all it does it make it fit the screen - which all TV's do anyway).
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Old 07-08-2011, 16:11
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Many thanks. I obviously thought I was too old to be naive - buying in to HDMI and purchasing expensivo HDMI leads - but obviously I am not! One further point....the source IS HD (ESPN HD). I will continue with my current set up. Thanks again.
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Old 07-08-2011, 17:17
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The idea that HDMI is 'better' is basically an advertising com, along with 'upscaling', where they give the totally false impression that upscaling makes SD become HD (where as all it does it make it fit the screen - which all TV's do anyway).
But if the DVD player has a better upscaler than the one built into the TV then in theory, as the upscaling is done nearer the source without the additional digital / analogue / digital conversions involved with a SCART connecton, it should give better results. But it is suck and see with any individual set up to see if it actually is.
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Old 07-08-2011, 18:21
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But if the DVD player has a better upscaler than the one built into the TV then in theory, as the upscaling is done nearer the source without the additional digital / analogue / digital conversions involved with a SCART connecton, it should give better results. But it is suck and see with any individual set up to see if it actually is.
'IF' the DVD player has a better upscaler, it should give a better picture - but cheap DVD Players have cheap scalers.

Where you upscale makes sod all difference, it's just how good the scaler is - and how bad the artifacts it produces are.
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