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Batman - Comic Books History
Just got into the Batman films BUT know that directors always like to twist stories to how they like it... so could I ask how did the following villians turn into their personas... I have many more questions to ask but these will do for now!
![]() The Joker - How did he turn into a clown and why does he hate Batman soo much? Who was he before he became The Evil Clown? Scarecrow - Is he a main bad guy in the orginal comments or just a plot device to prolong the comic books... why is he a Scarecrow? The Riddler - I don't know anything about him apart from that Jim Carrey played him well... any background history? Bain - I heard he broke Batmans back! Was he a main baddie and how did he turn into him? Poison Ivy - What is her purpose in the comic books? How did she turn into poisin? Peguin - What was his purpose, why was he a penguin lol Mr Freeze - Was he a orginal Batman baddie and why was he turned into ice? Catwoman - Was Catwoman a villian or good girl? I always remember her sometimes helping Batman Robin and Batwoman - Where did they come from and how many years did it take for them to enter the comics? Did they have any family? I never really knew anything about these 2 above and why Batman let them even help him and learn his identity... |
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methinks thems are some big-big questions and too big to answer here. Have you looked at wikipedia because having done a quick google for "wikipedia batman" then searched the page for Bane I've got a most detailed page up giving a most detailed history+more of the Venom drinking badie.
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I know I just cant be bothered having to read for mountains of words just to get the basic facts! haha
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Catwoman.
She's good or bad, depending on how she feels that day. She's not a serious baddie, at least not in recent years. She's pretty much always danced to her own tune in a grey area, but Bats sure does like her *l* |
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^been there
![]() but questions such as who is Robin, and Catwoman good or villain aren't answerable in a line or two. there've been at least 5 Robins over the years so which one are you interested in ?! but as for Catwoman - well she ain't either, differing writers having differing takes on the character. I suggest you make yo'self a pot of coffee, buy in a bucket load of chicken and/or cookies and indulge(?) in a mammoth wikipediing sesh - you know you REALLY want to. |
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^been there
![]() but questions such as who is Robin, and Catwoman good or villain aren't answerable in a line or two. there've been at least 5 Robins over the years so which one are you interested in ?! but as for Catwoman - well she ain't either, differing writers having differing takes on the character. I suggest you make yo'self a pot of coffee, buy in a bucket load of chicken and/or cookies and indulge(?) in a mammoth wikipediing sesh - you know you REALLY want to.
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I loved the Bane story. It's donkeys years since I last read it but it went something like this. Bane was a drugged up muscle man. He beat up Batman and deliberately broke his back. I recall his line when he saw Bruce Wayne later at some event in a wheelchair and said something like, even in clear view you can't hide from me Batman. But Bruce has a Batman protege called Azrael who seems to instinctively be able to develop personal combat tech. Plus he can fight. He takes on Bane and defeats him but Azrael himself's a loose cannon and a newly fit Bruce has to go after him...
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I loved the Bane story. It's donkeys years since I last read it but it went something like this. Bane was a drugged up muscle man. He beat up Batman and deliberately broke his back. I recall his line when he saw Bruce Wayne later at some event in a wheelchair and said something like, even in clear view you can't hide from me Batman. But Bruce has a Batman protege called Azrael who seems to instinctively be able to develop personal combat tech. Plus he can fight. He takes on Bane and defeats him but Azrael himself's a loose cannon and a newly fit Bruce has to go after him...
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Bane is super-smart and works out that Bruce Wayne is Batman before breaking his back - the line is from some point when he is looking at Bruce in a crowd and he mentions that Batman cannot hide from him.
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Just spreading the Batman love is all. 'Batman and Robin' made us Bane fans a little big defensive is all as they took the man to equal and beat the Bat and made him a brainless piece of meat. Hopefully Chris Nolan won't be making the same mistake in Dark Knight Rises
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Just got into the Batman films BUT know that directors always like to twist stories to how they like it... so could I ask how did the following villians turn into their personas... I have many more questions to ask but these will do for now!
![]() The Joker - How did he turn into a clown and why does he hate Batman soo much? Who was he before he became The Evil Clown? Nobody knows. There have been conflicting origin stories given for the Joker, the most likely one being that he was a petty crook called the Red Hood who fell into a vat of disfiguring chemicals while trying to escape Batman. However, these contradictory stories are mostly told by the Joker himself and it's been speculated that he's now too insane to remember which, if any of them, is real. His name has never been revealed. Scarecrow - Is he a main bad guy in the orginal comments or just a plot device to prolong the comic books... why is he a Scarecrow?Scarecrow is a villain who dates back to the late 1940s originally and has been a recurring member of Batman's rogues gallery ever since. He's a crazy former college teacher, Dr Jonathan Crane, who is obsessed with the causes and effects of fear. He adopted the Scarecrow persona after his students mocked his scruffy appearance. The Riddler - I don't know anything about him apart from that Jim Carrey played him well... any background history? The Riddler is Edward Nashton, alias Eddie Nigma (E.Nigma), a man obsessed with puzzles. He is the victim of a bizarre compulsion which forces him to leave riddles for Batman to solve whenever he is about to commit a crime. Bain - I heard he broke Batmans back! Was he a main baddie and how did he turn into him?Bane was born and raised in a prison in Santa Prisca where his mother was locked up, and grew up in an environment where he learned to believe that nobody cared about anybody. He derives his strength from a powerful drug. And yes, he broke Batman's back. Poison Ivy - What is her purpose in the comic books? How did she turn into poisin?Her name is Pamela Isley, and she was a botanist before her experiments with poisons derived from plants turned her into Poison Ivy. She is a former student of Jason Woodrue, the Floronic Man. She's been around since the 1960s. Peguin - What was his purpose, why was he a penguin lol He isn't. It's a nickname he picked up because of his unusual appearance and his passion for ornithology. He started out as a flashy bank robber, then later became a crime boss and casino owner. His real name is Oswald Chesterfield Cobblepot. Mr Freeze - Was he a orginal Batman baddie and why was he turned into ice?Mr Freeze (originally Mr Zero) has been around for several decades, though he didn't become well known until the 1966 Batman TV show. He's a scientist named Victor Fries who, due to an accident, can't live in temperatures above zero degrees. Catwoman - Was Catwoman a villian or good girl? I always remember her sometimes helping Batman She's been a jewel thief, a crime boss, a vigilante and Batman's lover over the years. Selina Kyle is a complicated person. Robin and Batwoman - Where did they come from and how many years did it take for them to enter the comics? Did they have any family? I never really knew anything about these 2 above and why Batman let them even help him and learn his identity..Robin, actually Bruce Wayne's adopted son Dick Grayson, first appeared the year after Batman (1940). He was the child of a couple of circus acrobats murdered by mobster Boss Zucco. Batman took him in because he had had a similar experience himself. Batwoman is a woman named Kathy Kane, but you may be confusing her with Batgirl (actually, there have been two Batwomen and several Batgirls. The original Bat-Girl was Betty Kane, Kathy's niece, but the best known is Barbara Gordon, daughter of Commissioner Jim Gordon. Others have included Cassandra Cain, Helena Bertinelli and Stephanie Brown ) . |
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I should add that there have also been other Robin's since Dick Grayson. When Dick outgrew the Robin identity and became Nightwing, a kid named Jason Todd took over but didn't work out too well. Tim Drake (now Red Robin) was the third, and Damien Wayne (Bruce's recently discovered natural son) is the current Robin.
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Bruce had a son?
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^not by choice, and Damien's existence is the one thing I truly despise about the DC Universe.
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Why Damien?
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I should add that there have also been other Robin's since Dick Grayson. When Dick outgrew the Robin identity and became Nightwing, a kid named Jason Todd took over but didn't work out too well. Tim Drake (now Red Robin) was the third, and Damien Wayne (Bruce's recently discovered natural son) is the current Robin.
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Why Damien?
woman get pregnant to a good man, woman doesn't tell man, woman goes off, has baby, still doesn't tell man, 10+years later child is thrust onto man and he's expected to be (demanded to be) completely and immediately ok with this and is not allowed one ounce, one micro-gram of pssed off ness, or anger at the woman for denying him those 10 years of fatherhood and all the wondrous experiences that come with bringing a new life into the world. And you'll get the woman justifying her actions with phrases such as "well you weren't ready" or "I didn't want to stop you from going off to do XXXX", etc... kinda missing the point that it should have been HIS decision. Any film or tv show that has this arc (Gilmore Girls did it, a film starring the Rock did it, many-many have done it and will do it), well any that do I go completely off and won't watch no-mo. Back to Damien, him being conceived in a lab without Bruces permission and/or knowlege, and brought up without Bruces knowledge, well THAT'S just worse, and also him being such a damn brat, well I just want nuttin to do with him.
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Why soo many different versions... is it the films or actual comics that keep changing history?
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Why soo many different versions... is it the films or actual comics that keep changing history?
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it's not just history being rewritten, sometimes they just grow up and want to go out on their own, so give up the Robin mantel and form one of their own; and sometimes they're put in peril as a publicity stunt with readers able to vote on their fate - and when death is chosen so ends their run in the Robin costume.
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It's a shame really lol
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Why soo many different versions... is it the films or actual comics that keep changing history?
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Ok so did BATMAN change from Bruce at any point... why not end the comics at Bruce and Robins natural end?
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Ok so did BATMAN change from Bruce at any point... why not end the comics at Bruce and Robins natural end?
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