Read something in the People today that Coronation St is in crisis with ratings falling to 7.7 million. Erm, might not the hot weather have something to do with this as the soap will go back to its natural average of 9 million when the weather changes. I know the soap has lost viewers due to some of its audience dying out, and also the vast amount of choices viewers have now, but it would be very wrong to say the soap is in crisis.
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Originally Posted by T Penery:
“Given there are rumours the BBC wants to cut ties with Camelot at the end of 2012. Don't be surprised if they do a deal with 12Yard/ITV Studios to keep their two shows (In It to Win It & Who Dares Wins) as non lottery shows.
To give you an idea. The most editions of In It to win It we had in a single year is only 16 (2006 & 2010) and that is because we've had two series. The early days had the show running for 12-15 weeks but adapting it to 8 shows per series (as with all lottery shows) is perfect so they can run two series in twelve months.”
“Given there are rumours the BBC wants to cut ties with Camelot at the end of 2012. Don't be surprised if they do a deal with 12Yard/ITV Studios to keep their two shows (In It to Win It & Who Dares Wins) as non lottery shows.
To give you an idea. The most editions of In It to win It we had in a single year is only 16 (2006 & 2010) and that is because we've had two series. The early days had the show running for 12-15 weeks but adapting it to 8 shows per series (as with all lottery shows) is perfect so they can run two series in twelve months.”
16 episodes a year with the lottery is lagely as 16 episodes without the lottery.
I was suggesting running more episodes per year.
An uninspiring set of ratings for last night outside the usual strong performances by In It To Win It and Casualty.
"Watching Matilda" is trending on Twitter, social networking fans! I'm surprised Channel 5 put this one out so early, but it should beat ITV's Midsomer Murders at least.
"Watching Matilda" is trending on Twitter, social networking fans! I'm surprised Channel 5 put this one out so early, but it should beat ITV's Midsomer Murders at least.
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“16 episodes a year with the lottery is lagely as 16 episodes without the lottery.
I was suggesting running more episodes per year.”
“16 episodes a year with the lottery is lagely as 16 episodes without the lottery.
I was suggesting running more episodes per year.”
Funningly enough, in 2004 when Euro 2004 was being shown live, one show had to be aired at 6pm without the lottery draws (which were shown later around 10pm). That lasted for about 30 minutes.
Running more episodes per year wouldn't be a problem for the production team since they can wrap up an 8 show series inside 3 days. Where last September they recored 16 shows in 6 days.
Cant help but wonder if a 30 minute show in the afternoon even just once a week for a 12 week peroid might be worth a trail.
If not being trailed can be blamed for less than expected ratings, then presumably being trailed can be blamed for higher ratings?
If this is the case, then no wonder Tonight's the Night did quite well.
Barrowman has been everywhere this past week, on The One Show on Thursday, Breakfast on Friday, and with lots of trailers across the BBC throughout the week.
If this is the case, then no wonder Tonight's the Night did quite well.
Barrowman has been everywhere this past week, on The One Show on Thursday, Breakfast on Friday, and with lots of trailers across the BBC throughout the week.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“I think redtop papers believe that their readers mostly watch soaps and this is why Coronation St is always a big deal to them. I can remember in the years before Big Brother the Daily Star being a big cheerleader for the soap. However, on demographic grounds people who watch Coronation St are far more likely to buy the NOTW than something like The Times, which barely mentions the soap.”
“I think redtop papers believe that their readers mostly watch soaps and this is why Coronation St is always a big deal to them. I can remember in the years before Big Brother the Daily Star being a big cheerleader for the soap. However, on demographic grounds people who watch Coronation St are far more likely to buy the NOTW than something like The Times, which barely mentions the soap.”
We can always rely on you to post some semi-insulting/snobby post about the demographics of people who watch certain programmes.
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“We can always rely on you to post some semi-insulting/snobby post about the demographics of people who watch certain programmes.”
“We can always rely on you to post some semi-insulting/snobby post about the demographics of people who watch certain programmes.
”
If his middle name is "demographics", yours would be "I thought BBC One would have held up better than that".
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Read something in the People today that Coronation St is in crisis with ratings falling to 7.7 million. Erm, might not the hot weather have something to do with this as the soap will go back to its natural average of 9 million when the weather changes. I know the soap has lost viewers due to some of its audience dying out, and also the vast amount of choices viewers have now, but it would be very wrong to say the soap is in crisis.”
“Read something in the People today that Coronation St is in crisis with ratings falling to 7.7 million. Erm, might not the hot weather have something to do with this as the soap will go back to its natural average of 9 million when the weather changes. I know the soap has lost viewers due to some of its audience dying out, and also the vast amount of choices viewers have now, but it would be very wrong to say the soap is in crisis.”
Someone at NOTW already got a job at The People then. As pointed out earlier both articles are comparing an edition sandwiched in Britain's Got Talent with an edition airing against an Andy Murray match, and if you look at the figures as rzt did for us, for the year so far Corrie is in exactly the same position as it was 12 months ago and up on two years ago.
Talking of NOTW - the BBC claim they had a full page apology. I didn't see it - they had a page gloating about themselves with a couple of sentences referring to the inquiries into hacking then a piece moaning the PCC is actually a credible regulator (as if!) and shouldn't be a victim of the scandal.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Someone at NOTW already got a job at The People then. As pointed out earlier both articles are comparing an edition sandwiched in Britain's Got Talent with an edition airing against an Andy Murray match, and if you look at the figures as rzt did for us, for the year so far Corrie is in exactly the same position as it was 12 months ago and up on two years ago.
Talking of NOTW - the BBC claim they had a full page apology. I didn't see it - they had a page gloating about themselves with a couple of sentences referring to the inquiries into hacking then a piece moaning the PCC is actually a credible regulator (as if!) and shouldn't be a victim of the scandal.”
“Someone at NOTW already got a job at The People then. As pointed out earlier both articles are comparing an edition sandwiched in Britain's Got Talent with an edition airing against an Andy Murray match, and if you look at the figures as rzt did for us, for the year so far Corrie is in exactly the same position as it was 12 months ago and up on two years ago.
Talking of NOTW - the BBC claim they had a full page apology. I didn't see it - they had a page gloating about themselves with a couple of sentences referring to the inquiries into hacking then a piece moaning the PCC is actually a credible regulator (as if!) and shouldn't be a victim of the scandal.”
Mirror Group Newspapers always seem to have this sense of doom about programmes. While in themselves as papers they are quite readable, I do recall the Mirror leading with articles on the lines of Britain's Got Talent in crisis when in reality ratings were only down a million on last year and the show had a respectable average of over 10 million.
As for me being a snob, as was pointed out in another post, pull the other one. It seems that any criticism or comment about dear old Corrie gets taken the wrong way. It's like this programme is above criticism when in reality it is a badly made, badly acted soap.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Mirror Group Newspapers always seem to have this sense of doom about programmes. While in themselves as papers they are quite readable, I do recall the Mirror leading with articles on the lines of Britain's Got Talent in crisis when in reality ratings were only down a million on last year and the show had a respectable average of over 10 million.”
“Mirror Group Newspapers always seem to have this sense of doom about programmes. While in themselves as papers they are quite readable, I do recall the Mirror leading with articles on the lines of Britain's Got Talent in crisis when in reality ratings were only down a million on last year and the show had a respectable average of over 10 million.”
Sensationalism is rife across all tabloid newspapers, it's what they do. "Ratings have dipped slightly" might be more factually correct, but it doesn't make for a great story.
People don't buy The People for in depth ratings analysis anyway. A few headline figures and an outline of the trend is a good template for such an article, even if it does infuriate the likes of us!
Originally Posted by Gawge:
“Anybody have the "T in the Park" ratings for Friday night? Any chance of a "peak" too?”
“Anybody have the "T in the Park" ratings for Friday night? Any chance of a "peak" too?”
It was on BBC Three so expect about 2 pc of the audience in this slot. I'd go for about 400,000.
Also while we're on the subject of festivals, wouldn't buying the rights to a major festival be a coup for ITV2. Just think a million or so 16-34s and the spin offs in advertising would be huge. It would also be a welcome alternative in weekend daytime to soap repeats.
Originally Posted by Gawge:
“Anybody have the "T in the Park" ratings for Friday night? Any chance of a "peak" too?”
“Anybody have the "T in the Park" ratings for Friday night? Any chance of a "peak" too?”
20:05- Reggie & Edith @T: 185k
21:00- Plan B @T: 359k
22:30- Arctic Monkeys @T: 310k
Peak was 514k straight after EE at 22.30.
Originally Posted by Samthefootball:
“Very Good Ratings for In it to win it the Weather was quite nice where i was yesterday so to see it above 5 million is surprising. The Marriage Ref rating is dire but it's still getting more viewers then it really deserves.”
“Very Good Ratings for In it to win it the Weather was quite nice where i was yesterday so to see it above 5 million is surprising. The Marriage Ref rating is dire but it's still getting more viewers then it really deserves.”
In It To Win It , I agree is the best of the "Lottery" shows, but its success is still partly down to the fact that theres crap all else on, on a Staurday night.
ITV1's current line up is dire and the ratings prove this. Why they are scheduling such shi** at the mo ive no idea. Its a poor reflection of the channel it once was, an they can only place part of the blame on the digital revolution ITV1 weekdays arent much better either. Its all soaps, and niche documentaries/lifestyle.
ITV1 used to dominate with its big entertainment shows on a Saturday, and weeknight 9pm dramas.
Also I quite like the idea of ITV moving Coronation St back to its traditional 7.30 Wednesday slot, freeing up Thursdays for something different. This will mean from 2012 that ITV1 will have a much stronger Wednesday and Thursdays won't be a no go area for non soap fans. As I've pointed out, Fincham is doing a good job and moving the station away from the reality and soaps schedules that blighted ITV1 in the noughties.
Originally Posted by fugitive:
“In It To Win It , I agree is the best of the "Lottery" shows, but its success is still partly down to the fact that theres crap all else on, on a Staurday night.
ITV1's current line up is sickening and the ratings prove this. Why they are scheduling such shi** at the mo ive no idea. Its a poor reflection of the channel it once was, an they can only place part of the blame on the digital revolution ITV1 weekdays arent much better either. Its all soaps, and niche documentaries/lifestyle.”
“In It To Win It , I agree is the best of the "Lottery" shows, but its success is still partly down to the fact that theres crap all else on, on a Staurday night.
ITV1's current line up is sickening and the ratings prove this. Why they are scheduling such shi** at the mo ive no idea. Its a poor reflection of the channel it once was, an they can only place part of the blame on the digital revolution ITV1 weekdays arent much better either. Its all soaps, and niche documentaries/lifestyle.”
There is some tripe on ITV1 and I will admit it's not as good as it used to be, but how about all the new dramas and factual shows they've commissioned recently. I know they show rubbish like The Marriage Ref, but this is balanced out by Downton Abbey.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Also I quite like the idea of ITV moving Coronation St back to its traditional 7.30 Wednesday slot, freeing up Thursdays for something different. This will mean from 2012 that ITV1 will have a much stronger Wednesday and Thursdays won't be a no go area for non soap fans. As I've pointed out, Fincham is doing a good job and moving the station away from the reality and soaps schedules that blighted ITV1 in the noughties.”
“Also I quite like the idea of ITV moving Coronation St back to its traditional 7.30 Wednesday slot, freeing up Thursdays for something different. This will mean from 2012 that ITV1 will have a much stronger Wednesday and Thursdays won't be a no go area for non soap fans. As I've pointed out, Fincham is doing a good job and moving the station away from the reality and soaps schedules that blighted ITV1 in the noughties.”
Yes hes doing a good job isnt he pulling in 2 millions viewers!!!!
ITV1 Stripped weeknight should be
6.00 Regional News
6.30 News
7.00 Emmerdale
7.30 Coronation Street
8.00 Entertainment / Quiz
9.00 Drama (Mon/Wed/Fri)
Documentary/Current Affiars (Tue.Thu)
10.00 News
10.35 Late Talk Show
11.35 FILM
Does anyone know why ITV Kept the 9.25am juncture when took full control of ITV Breakfast?
6.00 Regional News
6.30 News
7.00 Emmerdale
7.30 Coronation Street
8.00 Entertainment / Quiz
9.00 Drama (Mon/Wed/Fri)
Documentary/Current Affiars (Tue.Thu)
10.00 News
10.35 Late Talk Show
11.35 FILM
Does anyone know why ITV Kept the 9.25am juncture when took full control of ITV Breakfast?
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Saturday 9th July Overnights
BBC Two
16:50- Women's World Cup: 1.7m
* peak: 3.2m
ITV1
19:15- Odd One In: 2.7m (15.6%) , +1: 155k”
“Saturday 9th July Overnights
BBC Two
16:50- Women's World Cup: 1.7m
* peak: 3.2m
ITV1
19:15- Odd One In: 2.7m (15.6%) , +1: 155k”
Does that mean the Womans football beat the Odd one in??
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“It was on BBC Three so expect about 2 pc of the audience in this slot. I'd go for about 400,000.
Also while we're on the subject of festivals, wouldn't buying the rights to a major festival be a coup for ITV2. Just think a million or so 16-34s and the spin offs in advertising would be huge. It would also be a welcome alternative in weekend daytime to soap repeats.”
“It was on BBC Three so expect about 2 pc of the audience in this slot. I'd go for about 400,000.
Also while we're on the subject of festivals, wouldn't buying the rights to a major festival be a coup for ITV2. Just think a million or so 16-34s and the spin offs in advertising would be huge. It would also be a welcome alternative in weekend daytime to soap repeats.”
Well it was seen as a bit of a coup when ITV2 won the rights to the Isle of Wight festival, previously aired on Channel 4, in 2008. However, their 3 year rights to the event came to an end last year and they didn't renew. This year the likes of the Foo Fighters and Kasabian played out to miniscule audiences on that quiet but very worthy corner of broadcasting space called Sky Arts.
Sky Arts picked up the rights to a lot of these festivals this year actually. Channel 4's V Festival is one of the few left on free-to-air commercial TV, and they've scaled their coverage back massively in the past couple of years. I think they only had about an hour of live coverage all weekend last year, with the rest highlights shows.
Originally Posted by fugitive:
“ITV1 Stripped weeknight should be
6.00 Regional News
6.30 News
7.00 Emmerdale
7.30 Coronation Street
8.00 Entertainment / Quiz
9.00 Drama (Mon/Wed/Fri)
Documentary/Current Affiars (Tue.Thu)
10.00 News
10.35 Late Talk Show
11.35 FILM
Does anyone know why ITV Kept the 9.25am juncture when took full control of ITV Breakfast?”
“ITV1 Stripped weeknight should be
6.00 Regional News
6.30 News
7.00 Emmerdale
7.30 Coronation Street
8.00 Entertainment / Quiz
9.00 Drama (Mon/Wed/Fri)
Documentary/Current Affiars (Tue.Thu)
10.00 News
10.35 Late Talk Show
11.35 FILM
Does anyone know why ITV Kept the 9.25am juncture when took full control of ITV Breakfast?”
There are so many reasons such a schedule won't work. My top 3 would be Eastenders clashes, Champions League fixtures, where does Emmerdale #6 go. Also a chat show on ITV barely works once a week, at 10.35 they would be lucky to rate 1.5m viewers, the late film would be measured in hundreds of thousands.
the 9.25 cut off must relate to the current channel 3 (ITV) franchise, which gives the broadcaster channel broadcast from 9.25am to 6.00am Monday to Friday - not totally sure about weekends these days.
Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
“There are so many reasons such a schedule won't work. My top 3 would be Eastenders clashes, Champions League fixtures, where does Emmerdale #6 go. Also a chat show on ITV barely works once a week, at 10.35 they would be lucky to rate 1.5m viewers, the late film would be measured in hundreds of thousands.
the 9.25 cut off must relate to the current channel 3 (ITV) franchise, which gives the broadcaster channel broadcast from 9.25am to 6.00am Monday to Friday - not totally sure about weekends these days.”
“There are so many reasons such a schedule won't work. My top 3 would be Eastenders clashes, Champions League fixtures, where does Emmerdale #6 go. Also a chat show on ITV barely works once a week, at 10.35 they would be lucky to rate 1.5m viewers, the late film would be measured in hundreds of thousands.
the 9.25 cut off must relate to the current channel 3 (ITV) franchise, which gives the broadcaster channel broadcast from 9.25am to 6.00am Monday to Friday - not totally sure about weekends these days.”
Thankyou for your feedback
I think ITV has to be bold and dominate prime-time if its wants to secure its future as the nations favourite channel. This means not "running scared" of when BBC1 schedules Eastenders. etc .
Its not going to dominate prime time with airy fairy shows like Countrywise Kitchen and Love Your Garden
As for a chat / talk show, that depends on who is the host, who are the guests and what they talk about.
As for champions league, the schedule would just accomodate for that. I would only have 5 Emmerdales.
I suppose the one plus point is Penn & Teller didn't lose anymore of it's audience. I'm sure it'd be holding up better with a more secure schedule around it. I'm surprised they haven't ditched The Marriage Ref yet but I guess they couldn't care less about the ratings in the summer. Casualty is not hitting the heights it should considering it has absolutely nothing against it. In It To Win It performed very well and (unfortunately) Tonight the Night returned with a reaosnable figue proving tat on BBC1 outrates tat on ITV1 by quite a margin for some reason.
Originally Posted by fugitive:
“Thankyou for your feedback
I think ITV has to be bold and dominate prime-time if its wants to secure its future as the nations favourite channel. This means not "running scared" of when BBC1 schedules Eastenders. etc .
Its not going to dominate prime time with airy fairy shows like Countrywise Kitchen and Love Your Garden
As for a chat / talk show, that depends on who is the host, who are the guests and what they talk about.”
“Thankyou for your feedback
I think ITV has to be bold and dominate prime-time if its wants to secure its future as the nations favourite channel. This means not "running scared" of when BBC1 schedules Eastenders. etc .
Its not going to dominate prime time with airy fairy shows like Countrywise Kitchen and Love Your Garden
As for a chat / talk show, that depends on who is the host, who are the guests and what they talk about.”
Sorting out ITV primetime would be a full-time job for anyone, your schedule would work with some tweaks though. The 6th Emmerdale could be dropped, 5 episodes is more than enough - less need for storylines to be strung out. The Champions League is not on every week. The Eastenders clash would always have to be avoided though.
ITV lose so many viewers once 10pm comes around, News at 10 is so low compared to BBC1 - it may as well be shunted to 11pm for a 15 minutes bulletin. After 10.30 ITV seems to be in the doldrums. They do have some big hitters in primetime, but ITV are looking to fill from 7.00-10.00 - that is 1095 hours of programming per year, which must be daunting for them.
Just to put into perspective - ITV has 156 hours of Emmerdale and 130 hours of Coronation Street per year - 26% of (7.00pm-10.00pm) 7 day broadcast time or 36.7% of (7.00-10.00pm) weekday broadcast time.
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