Quite annoyed at the BBC2HD decision. I like to watch BBC3 stuff in HD at the same time, or at the very most, in the next hour. What would happen to Angry Boys, Mongrels, Small Teen Bigger World, Eurovision SFs (which are also live) etc.
The Ratings Thread (Part 22)
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BBC Press Office has confirmed new drama Sugartown as airing at 10.25-11.25pm on Sunday 24th July.
Bizarre decision IMO - it can't be that bad, can it!? It's got a pretty good cast, they would've spent quite a lot of money on it, so I don't understand why they didn't air it at 9pm. Even if it had flopped, it's only 3 episodes and it's the summer. I can't imagine it would've flopped too badly (i.e. Outcasts levels) anyway. Hmmm...
Bizarre decision IMO - it can't be that bad, can it!? It's got a pretty good cast, they would've spent quite a lot of money on it, so I don't understand why they didn't air it at 9pm. Even if it had flopped, it's only 3 episodes and it's the summer. I can't imagine it would've flopped too badly (i.e. Outcasts levels) anyway. Hmmm...
What Satellite on twitter says the BBC 2 HD simulcast story is untrue. They say Broadcast misunderstood what is just control of BBC HD passing to BBC 2 but that the channel itself is staying as a best of the rest in HD like now.
Hopefully so.
Hopefully so.
Dire night for ITV1 - maybe they were hoping two 'established' brands would boost each other but 90 minutes of documentaries do not work. I reckon Emmerdale's rating was hurt by the lead out (what time did Emmerdale finish last night?) BBC2 had a fantastic night while the other channels held up reasonably well without setting the ratings alight.
Good news regarding the BBC and the Six Nations - one of the few rights it holds which actually serves the whole of the UK.
Actually not that bad - indeed that's the best factual figure I've seen at 10pm for quite some time.
Originally Posted by satman5000:
“Channel 4 inc +1
18.00 - The Simpsons - 1.52m
18.30 - Hollyoaks - 0.95m
20.00 - Four Rooms - 1.6m
21.00 - Undercover Boss - 2.7m
22.00 - Ramsay USA Nightmares - 1.72m”
“Channel 4 inc +1
18.00 - The Simpsons - 1.52m
18.30 - Hollyoaks - 0.95m
20.00 - Four Rooms - 1.6m
21.00 - Undercover Boss - 2.7m
22.00 - Ramsay USA Nightmares - 1.72m”
Actually not that bad - indeed that's the best factual figure I've seen at 10pm for quite some time.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Dire night for ITV1 - maybe they were hoping two 'established' brands would boost each other but 90 minutes of documentaries do not work. I reckon Emmerdale's rating was hurt by the lead out (what time did Emmerdale finish last night?) BBC2 had a fantastic night while the other channels held up reasonably well without setting the ratings alight.”
“Dire night for ITV1 - maybe they were hoping two 'established' brands would boost each other but 90 minutes of documentaries do not work. I reckon Emmerdale's rating was hurt by the lead out (what time did Emmerdale finish last night?) BBC2 had a fantastic night while the other channels held up reasonably well without setting the ratings alight.”
Emmerdale ran 19:01 - 19:28 according to the Attentional timings. They therefore, will not have tape checked the episode. I don't think 5.84m (30.9%) is that bad for Emmerdale last night. This year and last year it only fell below 6 million overnights occasionally during the summer months but back in 2009, there were 2 or 3 episodes a week below 6 million overnights during the summer months. Eastenders wasn't that strong either last night with 7.68m (37.5%), which is a below average share for a 7:30pm episode.
Elsewhere Holby City did well with 5.31m (24.9%), which is a slightly above average share. The main performance of last night belonged to BBC2 though with another strong drama performance and Newsnight has been above the 1 million for several concurrent days now, when its normal level is around 700k-800k.
Originally Posted by Arthur Cucumber:
“Apart from BBC2, who had a fantastic evening all round.”
“Apart from BBC2, who had a fantastic evening all round.”
You cannot be serious?
The Great British Weather is panning out to be one of those programmes that would flop on any other channel but will probably get away with it on BBC1.
Originally Posted by Jaycee Dove:
“What Satellite on twitter says the BBC 2 HD simulcast story is untrue. They say Broadcast misunderstood what is just control of BBC HD passing to BBC 2 but that the channel itself is staying as a best of the rest in HD like now.”
“What Satellite on twitter says the BBC 2 HD simulcast story is untrue. They say Broadcast misunderstood what is just control of BBC HD passing to BBC 2 but that the channel itself is staying as a best of the rest in HD like now.”
Broadcast have now amended their report regarding BBC2 HD. They got it wrong. (Fancy that!!)
Broadcast:
Quote:
“The BBC’s head of HD and 3D Danielle Nagler is leaving the corporation along with two team members - and is not being directly replaced.
Meanwhile, the BBC HD channel will move towards becoming a simulcast of BBC2, although a spokeswoman stressed that a full BBC2 HD channel remained a long term aspiration. No proposals have been put to the BBC Trust yet, but they could feature as part of Delivering Quality First.
Nagler will leave in September to join City law firm Berwin Leighton Paisner, while team members Ian Potts and Umme Ali will depart the business at the end of the year.
BBC2 controller Janice Hadlow will take overall responsibility for HD at the BBC, while a replacement for the 3D elements of Nagler’s role will be announced in due course.
Nagler joined the BBC as a journalist in 1996, moving to Vision in July 2008. She was responsible for a series of developments including the launch of the BBC HD and BBC1 HD channels, as well as spearheading the corporation’s push into 3D, resulting in the first free-to-air 3D broadcast, of the Wimbledon finals, earlier this month. The broadcaster also recently revealed a push into original 3D content.
Roly Keating, director of archived content, paid tribute to her “tremendous” work. “Danielle has always played a very active role within the BBC, bringing to all her jobs a sharp strategic focus, a beady sense of humour and a can-do approach,” he said.
“I’d like to take this opportunity to thank Danielle for the exceptional contribution she has made to the BBC, and to Vision in particular: her passion, intellect, energy and drive have made remarkable things happen here, and she’ll be much missed.””
“The BBC’s head of HD and 3D Danielle Nagler is leaving the corporation along with two team members - and is not being directly replaced.
Meanwhile, the BBC HD channel will move towards becoming a simulcast of BBC2, although a spokeswoman stressed that a full BBC2 HD channel remained a long term aspiration. No proposals have been put to the BBC Trust yet, but they could feature as part of Delivering Quality First.
Nagler will leave in September to join City law firm Berwin Leighton Paisner, while team members Ian Potts and Umme Ali will depart the business at the end of the year.
BBC2 controller Janice Hadlow will take overall responsibility for HD at the BBC, while a replacement for the 3D elements of Nagler’s role will be announced in due course.
Nagler joined the BBC as a journalist in 1996, moving to Vision in July 2008. She was responsible for a series of developments including the launch of the BBC HD and BBC1 HD channels, as well as spearheading the corporation’s push into 3D, resulting in the first free-to-air 3D broadcast, of the Wimbledon finals, earlier this month. The broadcaster also recently revealed a push into original 3D content.
Roly Keating, director of archived content, paid tribute to her “tremendous” work. “Danielle has always played a very active role within the BBC, bringing to all her jobs a sharp strategic focus, a beady sense of humour and a can-do approach,” he said.
“I’d like to take this opportunity to thank Danielle for the exceptional contribution she has made to the BBC, and to Vision in particular: her passion, intellect, energy and drive have made remarkable things happen here, and she’ll be much missed.””
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“The Great British Weather is panning out to be one of those programmes that would flop on any other channel but will probably get away with it on BBC1.”
“The Great British Weather is panning out to be one of those programmes that would flop on any other channel but will probably get away with it on BBC1.”
Unfortunately so - the few minutes I caught of it were pretty awful. Would perhaps be better as a week long filler in the 9.15am slot than primetime every week - though thanks to Cameron and co. I suspect we can expect more TV of this quality in primetime over the next few years.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Unfortunately so - the few minutes I caught of it were pretty awful. Would perhaps be better as a week long filler in the 9.15am slot than primetime every week - though thanks to Cameron and co. I suspect we can expect more TV of this quality in primetime over the next few years.”
“Unfortunately so - the few minutes I caught of it were pretty awful. Would perhaps be better as a week long filler in the 9.15am slot than primetime every week - though thanks to Cameron and co. I suspect we can expect more TV of this quality in primetime over the next few years.”
Yes 9.15am or a few special summer editions of The One Show would be better than a 4 week prime time series.
The content seemed thrown together and was very obvious i.e let's get Michael Fish on, and discuss the hurricane, as if that's never been done before.
What Alexander Armstrong is doing hosting it, I can't imagine. I'm not surprised Chris Hollins is involved though!
BROADCAST:
America's Got Talent won the night with 14.07m (4.0) in final ratings - up 21% in the demo from the first quarter final last year. It's also the shows best ever performance in A18-49 and total viewers for a live performance show. The audition/Vegas stages were up 15% vs 2010. AGT was down 13% from last weeks all time series high, most likely due to a lower lead-in (last week an AGT original had 3.6 while this week an AGT repeat had a 1.8).
FOX's MLB All-Star Baseball was down 9% from last year in total viewers to 10.97m (3.1). ABC's 101 Ways To Lose A Gameshow fell to a series low 1.6 while Combat Hospital did even worse with a 0.8.
CABLE SCRIPTED:
USA:
9pm - White Collar - 3.84m (1.2)
10pm - Covert Affairs - 4.30m (1.2)
TNT:
9pm - Memphis Beat - 2.94m (0.6)
10pm - Hawthorne - 2.42m (0.7)
ABC FAMILY:
8pm - Pretty Little Liars - 2.42m (0.9)
9pm - Nine Lives of Chloe King - 1.29m (0.4)
Top Unscripted:
MTV - Teen Mom - 3.05m (1.7)
COMCEN - 2.37m (1.4)
DISC - Deadliest Catch - 2.98m (1.3)
Chloe King is a major flop for ABC. Switched At Birth on Mondays is doing more than double that. USA & TNT's dramas were down a bit from last week.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...ne-more/97944/
America's Got Talent won the night with 14.07m (4.0) in final ratings - up 21% in the demo from the first quarter final last year. It's also the shows best ever performance in A18-49 and total viewers for a live performance show. The audition/Vegas stages were up 15% vs 2010. AGT was down 13% from last weeks all time series high, most likely due to a lower lead-in (last week an AGT original had 3.6 while this week an AGT repeat had a 1.8).
FOX's MLB All-Star Baseball was down 9% from last year in total viewers to 10.97m (3.1). ABC's 101 Ways To Lose A Gameshow fell to a series low 1.6 while Combat Hospital did even worse with a 0.8.
CABLE SCRIPTED:
USA:
9pm - White Collar - 3.84m (1.2)
10pm - Covert Affairs - 4.30m (1.2)
TNT:
9pm - Memphis Beat - 2.94m (0.6)
10pm - Hawthorne - 2.42m (0.7)
ABC FAMILY:
8pm - Pretty Little Liars - 2.42m (0.9)
9pm - Nine Lives of Chloe King - 1.29m (0.4)
Top Unscripted:
MTV - Teen Mom - 3.05m (1.7)
COMCEN - 2.37m (1.4)
DISC - Deadliest Catch - 2.98m (1.3)
Chloe King is a major flop for ABC. Switched At Birth on Mondays is doing more than double that. USA & TNT's dramas were down a bit from last week.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...ne-more/97944/
Crimewatch continues to do well, even at the height of summer. This show has long been a success for BBC One and really is a fine example of PSB being mixed with realistic looking reconstructions performed by actors. It's odd it doesn't get commented on as much and makes a change from a tedious debate about a well known soap suffering a ratings crisis( when really it's not).
Originally Posted by fugitive:
“You cannot be serious?”
“You cannot be serious?
”
Why wouldn't I be serious?
Very good ratings for BBC2 considering it's normal levels. Channel 4 and 5 would be delighted if they had a whole evening pull figures like that.
The Night Watch did well for BBC Two and hopefully The Hour should do well but then again The Shadow Line lost viewers through its run. BBC Two has a similar problem to Channel 4 in that they can good ratings for one-offs but they struggle for a returning series.
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“The Night Watch did well for BBC Two and hopefully The Hour should do well but then again The Shadow Line lost viewers through its run. BBC Two has a similar problem to Channel 4 in that they can good ratings for one-offs but they struggle for a returning series.”
“The Night Watch did well for BBC Two and hopefully The Hour should do well but then again The Shadow Line lost viewers through its run. BBC Two has a similar problem to Channel 4 in that they can good ratings for one-offs but they struggle for a returning series.”
BBC2 generally make dramas that are quite niche. The Shadow Line was quite niche and after the first episode it was obvious that it was never going to be a mainstream success. C4 though tend to make more populist dramas but still suffer.
Originally Posted by Georged123:
“BBC2 generally make dramas that are quite niche. The Shadow Line was quite niche and after the first episode it was obvious that it was never going to be a mainstream success. C4 though tend to make more populist dramas but still suffer.”
“BBC2 generally make dramas that are quite niche. The Shadow Line was quite niche and after the first episode it was obvious that it was never going to be a mainstream success. C4 though tend to make more populist dramas but still suffer.”
I wonder how Being Human would have done had it debuted on BBC Two rather than BBC Three? I would think 2-3m at best.
I also think if BBC Two did have a populist drama series, it'd end up moving to BBC One by its second or third series. Something like The Hour is more likely to suceed on BBC Two than it would on BBC One.
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“
I also think if BBC Two did have a populist drama series, it'd end up moving to BBC One by its second or third series. Something like The Hour is more likely to suceed on BBC Two than it would on BBC One.”
“
I also think if BBC Two did have a populist drama series, it'd end up moving to BBC One by its second or third series. Something like The Hour is more likely to suceed on BBC Two than it would on BBC One.”
Based on number of viewers or channel expectations?
If The Hour gets 2m on BBC Two, it may get 3m on BBC One.
One million more viewers makes it more successful, but it would be considered a flop!!
Originally Posted by rzt:
“BBC Press Office has confirmed new drama Sugartown as airing at 10.25-11.25pm on Sunday 24th July.
Bizarre decision IMO - it can't be that bad, can it!? It's got a pretty good cast, they would've spent quite a lot of money on it, so I don't understand why they didn't air it at 9pm. Even if it had flopped, it's only 3 episodes and it's the summer. I can't imagine it would've flopped too badly (i.e. Outcasts levels) anyway. Hmmm...”
“BBC Press Office has confirmed new drama Sugartown as airing at 10.25-11.25pm on Sunday 24th July.
Bizarre decision IMO - it can't be that bad, can it!? It's got a pretty good cast, they would've spent quite a lot of money on it, so I don't understand why they didn't air it at 9pm. Even if it had flopped, it's only 3 episodes and it's the summer. I can't imagine it would've flopped too badly (i.e. Outcasts levels) anyway. Hmmm...”
Is this first time a show has been dumped before even hitting the screens?
BBC1 are more ruthless than Rupert Murdoch
Another great Apprentice rating. I do wonder if this series is going to be the last high rating one, because the format seems to have run is course, become a bit samey, and ended up with two of the most hopeless candidates of the lot in the final. Bizarre. I don't think The Business Partner has much of a future, frankly.
Still the best show currently on British telly, and the creme de la creme of the reality formats, but I suspect its downhill from here.
Talking of downhill, I see the Daybreak editor has just been fired. How long for Chiles and Bleakley?
Still the best show currently on British telly, and the creme de la creme of the reality formats, but I suspect its downhill from here.
Talking of downhill, I see the Daybreak editor has just been fired. How long for Chiles and Bleakley?
Wednesday 13th July 2011
BBC1
06:00 - Breakfast: 1.7m (37.0%)
18:00 - BBC News at Six: 4.1m (26.1%)
18:30 - Regional News and Weather: 5.4m (31.7%)
19:00 - Best of The One Show: 3.5m (19.7%)
19:30 - The Great British Weather: 4.0m (21.3%)
20:30 - In With the Flynns: 3.0m (14.6%)
21:00 - The Apprentice: 8.3m (33.7%)
22:00 - BBC News at Ten: 4.5m (21.5%)
22:25 - Regional News and Weather / The National Lottery Wednesday Night Draws: 3.6m (20.2%)
22:45 - Not Going Out: 2.0m (15.7%)
BBC2
18:00 - Eggheads: 1.5m (9.9%)
18:30 - Great British Railway Journeys: 1.0m (5.7%)
19:00 - The Culture Show: 0.4m (2.0%)
20:00 - Top Gear: 1.5m (7.6%)
21:00 - Italy's Bloodiest Mafia: 1.4m (5.9%)
22:00 - The Apprentice: You're Fired: 3.6m (17.4%)
22:30 - Newsnight: 1.2m (9.2%)
23:30 - Golf: The Open - Preview: 0.5m (6.5%)
00:00 - The Culture Show: 0.1m (2.6%)
ITV (inc ITV+1)
06:00 - Daybreak: 0.727m (17.0%)
08:30 - Lorraine: 0.9m (18.0%)
18:30 - ITV News & Weather: 3.2m (18.3%)
19:00 - Emmerdale: 6.0m (33.1%)
19:30 - The Unforgettable Leonard Rossiter: 3.4m (18.0%)
20:00 - Lewis: 3.8m (16.0%)
22:00 - ITV News at Ten & Weather: 2.1m (9.8%)
22:35 - Car Crime UK: 1.3m (10.1%)
23:35 - Homes From Hell: 0.7m (10.5%)
C4 (inc C4+1)
18:00 - The Simpsons: 1.6m (8.0%)
18:30 - Hollyoaks: 1.0m (5.2%)
19:00 - Channel 4 News: 0.7m (3.6%)
20:00 - Jo Frost: Extreme Parental Guidance: 1.8m (8.4%)
21:00 - 24 Hours in A&E: 2.4m (8.6%)
22:00 - 8 Out of 10 Cats: 1.2m (5.8%)
22:50 - The Killing: 0.4m (4.2%)
Five
17:00 - 5 News at 5: 0.6m (5.6%)
17:30 - Neighbours: 1.0m (7.6%)
18:00 - Home and Away: 0.8m (5.0%)
18:30 - OK! TV: 0.3m (1.6%)
19:00 - 5 News at 7: 0.2m (1.2%)
19:30 - Garden ER: 0.8m (4.4%)
20:00 - The Removal Men: 1.0m (5.2%)
21:00 - NCIS: 1.2m (4.9%)
All ratings include HD.
Another brilliant rating for The Apprentice. I suspect that will, along with last week's 8.3m, be its series high as Sunday's rating will be as a 2 hour programme so unless BARB splits it in the officials, last night's rating is likely to be the series high. Great British Weather got off to a solid start considering it is a 'filler' Summer programme, although In With the Flynns was harmed afterwards, it's rating showing how much it benefited from a Waterloo Road lead-in.
Unspectacular night for BBC2 apart from You're Fired which again rated well, while Channel 4 and 5 performed solidly, in particular the latter at 7:30pm, not often it is near to 1m at 7:30pm. ITV1 did alright, as best as they could probably hope for I think, although I am slightly surprised their 7:30pm programme did not get much of a boost from no Waterloo Road.
BBC1
06:00 - Breakfast: 1.7m (37.0%)
18:00 - BBC News at Six: 4.1m (26.1%)
18:30 - Regional News and Weather: 5.4m (31.7%)
19:00 - Best of The One Show: 3.5m (19.7%)
19:30 - The Great British Weather: 4.0m (21.3%)
20:30 - In With the Flynns: 3.0m (14.6%)
21:00 - The Apprentice: 8.3m (33.7%)
22:00 - BBC News at Ten: 4.5m (21.5%)
22:25 - Regional News and Weather / The National Lottery Wednesday Night Draws: 3.6m (20.2%)
22:45 - Not Going Out: 2.0m (15.7%)
BBC2
18:00 - Eggheads: 1.5m (9.9%)
18:30 - Great British Railway Journeys: 1.0m (5.7%)
19:00 - The Culture Show: 0.4m (2.0%)
20:00 - Top Gear: 1.5m (7.6%)
21:00 - Italy's Bloodiest Mafia: 1.4m (5.9%)
22:00 - The Apprentice: You're Fired: 3.6m (17.4%)
22:30 - Newsnight: 1.2m (9.2%)
23:30 - Golf: The Open - Preview: 0.5m (6.5%)
00:00 - The Culture Show: 0.1m (2.6%)
ITV (inc ITV+1)
06:00 - Daybreak: 0.727m (17.0%)
08:30 - Lorraine: 0.9m (18.0%)
18:30 - ITV News & Weather: 3.2m (18.3%)
19:00 - Emmerdale: 6.0m (33.1%)
19:30 - The Unforgettable Leonard Rossiter: 3.4m (18.0%)
20:00 - Lewis: 3.8m (16.0%)
22:00 - ITV News at Ten & Weather: 2.1m (9.8%)
22:35 - Car Crime UK: 1.3m (10.1%)
23:35 - Homes From Hell: 0.7m (10.5%)
C4 (inc C4+1)
18:00 - The Simpsons: 1.6m (8.0%)
18:30 - Hollyoaks: 1.0m (5.2%)
19:00 - Channel 4 News: 0.7m (3.6%)
20:00 - Jo Frost: Extreme Parental Guidance: 1.8m (8.4%)
21:00 - 24 Hours in A&E: 2.4m (8.6%)
22:00 - 8 Out of 10 Cats: 1.2m (5.8%)
22:50 - The Killing: 0.4m (4.2%)
Five
17:00 - 5 News at 5: 0.6m (5.6%)
17:30 - Neighbours: 1.0m (7.6%)
18:00 - Home and Away: 0.8m (5.0%)
18:30 - OK! TV: 0.3m (1.6%)
19:00 - 5 News at 7: 0.2m (1.2%)
19:30 - Garden ER: 0.8m (4.4%)
20:00 - The Removal Men: 1.0m (5.2%)
21:00 - NCIS: 1.2m (4.9%)
All ratings include HD.
Another brilliant rating for The Apprentice. I suspect that will, along with last week's 8.3m, be its series high as Sunday's rating will be as a 2 hour programme so unless BARB splits it in the officials, last night's rating is likely to be the series high. Great British Weather got off to a solid start considering it is a 'filler' Summer programme, although In With the Flynns was harmed afterwards, it's rating showing how much it benefited from a Waterloo Road lead-in.
Unspectacular night for BBC2 apart from You're Fired which again rated well, while Channel 4 and 5 performed solidly, in particular the latter at 7:30pm, not often it is near to 1m at 7:30pm. ITV1 did alright, as best as they could probably hope for I think, although I am slightly surprised their 7:30pm programme did not get much of a boost from no Waterloo Road.
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