Perhaps for the Monday/Friday episodes they'll have: 19.00- Emmerdale, 19.30- Red or Black, 20.30- Coronation Street (1 hr ep), 21.30- Red or Black

Means that RoB gets a 30-minute head-start over EE and Corrie would get a 30-min head-start over New Tricks *and the Friday 9pm show). For the Wed/Thu episodes, possibly RoB at 8-9pm (avoids EE) with a half hour Corrie at 9pm. Would turn out as equivalent to 7 episodes of Corrie in a week (assuming it airs at 9pm on Sunday), which is a lot, but not unprecedented.

Big Brothers Bit on the Side?! Oh, Channel 5!

My crazy scheduling idea for ROB (assuming it has to be stripped - and it doesn't).

Saturday:
9pm-10.30pm

Sunday:
9pm-10.30pm

Monday:
9pm-10.30pm

Wednesday:
9pm-10.30pm

Thursday:
9pm-10.30pm

Friday:
9pm-10.30pm

Saturday:
9pm-10.30pm

News At 10.30 for a week - I know that in 2008 we all said that they had to keep NaT consistently at 10pm because then it would grow. But that doesn't really seem to have happened. So screw that.

(I'll now wait patiently for someone to point out that NaT actually has grown and I just haven't noticed it!)
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Big Brother's Bit On The Side is not a good name. I can only assume that C4 own the Little Brother brand.

Haha, I like the title

Will there be 8 episodes of Red or Black? Also 90 minutes seems quite long for a gameshow in primetime. On this VT it says 7 shows over seven nights. It also looks kinda dull - this shows the final 56 hooking yellow ducks in Manchester.

http://www.itv.com/redorblack/news/r...nchester-news/

That'd be a lot better as not only would RoB get a 30 minute headstart on EE but there would also be a load of viewers hanging around at 7:30pm waiting for Corrie and see Ant and Dec and decide to stick with it, and therefore stick with ITV for the whole night. Good shout there.


That would be great as it would be nice and consistent and repeat the scheduling that worked so well for BGT in 2007. It does however seem very unlikely as ITV seem determined to keep the News at 10pm and also seem desperate to split it around Corrie. Your schedule would be great but based on what seems possible rzt's schedule seems the best option. A results show for a gameshow does seem bizarre but I won't criticise them until we know the exact format and therefore whether it works or not.

I don't think NaT has grown either (maybe by 0.1-0.2m or so on average). It fills the slot though and ITV seem satisfied enough with it.

I'm looking forward to seeing the outcome of this New Tricks V Coronation ST clash. I think New Tricks could record its lowest ever rating and Corrie could be down in the 5 millions. The demographic crossover (old) will surely be even higher than an EE v Corrie clash.

Having read the last couple of pages on this thread I am so hoping that ROB flops and giving ITV1's current track record in light entertainment (their entire Saturday night, PSTOS, Born To Shine, Show Us The Funny) there's a very good chance it will. It certainly would be doomed if they were going to show it weekly. It sounds like one of those game shows that is much more fun to take part in than it is to watch (like 50 Ways To Leave A Gameshow - great fun to play I'm sure but as a TV programme it was :yawn::yawn::yawn

And if Score's prediction for the scheduling of ROB's first episode proves to be correct....


....I'd like to point out that BBC1 may well have Dr Who returning that night which they could use tactically against it.

Looking back at the ratings for the stripped first series of Pokerface in 2006, I notice that whilst the final on the Sunday did well with 6.11m in the officials, no other edition could crack the 5m barrier (the best was Thursday with 4.99m) whilst Tuesday had 3.93m and Saturday limped in with 3.21m.




edit: by the way, what is High Stakes? It may have been mentioned previously but I can't remember.

A game show with Jeremy Kyle - http://www.bothersbar.co.uk/?p=4013

Although ITV (and TV in general) definately needs a non-talent based megahit, I don't think Red or Black will be it. Such shows usually rely on the end game - and however good the "stunts" may be leading up to it, a spin on a roulette wheel doesn't make rivetting TV - even if it's for £1m.

They have clashed before in 2005, when ITV moved Corrie to the 8.30-9.30 slot in order to give Celebrity Love Island a boost.
At the time Corrie's writers complained to Broadcast about moving the show just to help the croc of shite that was Celebrity Love Island.

Dull sounding quiz show with Jeremy Kyle made by ITV studios.

In regard to Brian Dowling hosting the main BB and Emma Willis the spin-off which I assume will either replace OKTV! at 6.30 or 6pm on 5*, it should be the other way round and they wanted a fresh start, I wouldn't have any ex Big Brother winners involved.

It wouldn't surprised me if they swapped around by the time normal Big Brother starts. Actually, wonder how they are going transition from CBB to BB?

NT has younger demos than Corrie

Well, clearly they don't want to make a fresh start, and why should they? They're after the ratings of previous shows. Willis also has links to the Channel4 show.

New Tricks has an older audience than Corrie. IIRC about 15 percent of CS's audience are aged in the 16-34 demo, roughly double NT's skew for that. CS also skews more in the 18-49 and Under 16 categories. Essentially both shows pretty old audiences though so I agree with dave01 that they'd dent each other quite a lot. Speaking of Red or Black, I think it'll turn out to be a flop in relation to what some people are expecting- for e.g. it may well rate in the 5m range which would make it one of the highest rated new entertainment shows from the last few years but because some people have quite high expectations, it may be deemed as a 'flop'. I think The Voice next year will experience a similar problem- I've already seen some people say anything less than 8m for it would be disappointing, as if that's gonna happen right off the bat!

Brian Dowling on BB has confirmed for me that I won't be watching it ever again, surely they could have found a better presenter than that uesless waste of space, wasn't planning to watch but might have been lured in like every other series of it but thankfull am spared of that danger now.

Not sure I quite get the point of Red or Black either who on earth has the patience to watch a 90 minute quiz show 8 days in a row, could either be a big hit or one of the worst disasters ITV has ever seen and thats saying something.

My instinct is that it'll flop(well average ratings 4m, nothing to set World on fire!), BUT it depends how they do it. If it's really well produced and engages the audience it could do well. Million Pound Drop was stripped across a week and did OK, but that's the kind of show that the audience can participate at home and online with which makes it more gripping.

In the early years IIRC Millionaire was stripped and was hugely succesful, I think it all depends on the format. 90 mins does seem like overkill though.

Sorry rzt thought they had the same demos I agree with everything you're saying about Red or Black & The Voice. Maybe it's time they started letting shows grow again, and not dump them if they don't get HUGE ratings straight off.
TXF was very average for the first few years and they worked on it bigtime. In recent times and to a much smaller level of success, Luther grew from series 1 to series 2. I think it would be no harm to give things a run, tweak them a bit and then decide whether to continue or not. Unless they totally die in which case of course that would be it.

Agreed. What a horrible decision. I enjoyed Big Brother even when everyone else had abandoned it, but this new run is shaping up to be The Only Way Is Essex in a house.

Cowboy Builders hit a series high of 1.92m (8.4%). Dancc will be happy!

Torchwood had 4.44m (19.3%). That's not bad at all considering the drop-off last week.

DS report -
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/...-on-watch.html

Channel 4 Overnights

18.00 - The Simpsons - 1.66m
18.30 - Hollyoaks - 1.05m
20.00 - Help! My House is Falling Down - 1.7m
21.00 - The Killing - 1.49m
22.00 - Coppers - 1.08m

Source: Ch4 Sales

As expected a drop for all the dramas which provided a boost for Cowboy Builders which had an excellent audience amongst an otherwise poor schedule on Ch5.

Looks like The Killing might fall under 1m in the coming weeks and maybe shunted to a 10pm slot.

Thursday 21st July 2011
BBC One
13:45 - Doctors: 1.58m (20.9%)
17:15 - Pointless: 3.0m+ (~21.6%)
19:30 - EastEnders: 7.42m (35.4%)
20:00 - Traffic Cops: 4.09m (18.0%)
21:00 - Torchwood: 4.44m (19.3%)
22:35 - The Big Gypsy Eviction: 3.06m (22.4%)

BBC Two
19:00 - The Animal Magic Zoo: 1.05m (5.5%)
19:30 - RHS Flower Show Tatton Park 2011: 1.90m (9.1%) inc HD
20:00 - Rick Stein's Spain: 2.30m (9.9%) inc HD
21:00 - History Cold Case: 1.76m (7.7%)
22:00 - Have I Got Old News For You: 1.48m (7.6%)
22:30 - Newsnight: 845k (5.9%)

ITV1
19:00 - Emmerdale: 6.06m (32.1%)
20:00 - Emmerdale: 6.66m (30.3%)
* +1: 164k (0.7%)
20:30 - Coronation Street: 7.60m (32.2%)
* +1: 261k (1.1%)
21:00 - Single Handed: 3.07m (13.4%)
* +1: 137k (0.8%)
22:35 - When Piers Morgan Met Lord Sugar: 1.08m (8.9%)

Channel 4
18:30 - Hollyoaks: 1.01m (5.8%)
20:00 - Help! My House Is Falling Down: 1.45m (6.4%)
* +1: 247k (1.1%)
21:00 - The Killing USA: 1.27m (5.5%)
* +1: 245k (1.4%)
22:00 - Coppers: 996k (5.7%)
* +1: 133k (1.3%)

Channel 5
13:45 - Neighbours: 681k (9.1%)
17:30 - Neighbours: 1.14m (8.2%)
18:00 - Home and Away: 832k (5.1%)
19:00 - Cricket Highlights: 701k (3.5%)
20:00 - Eddie Stobart: Trucks and Trailers: 570k (2.5%)
21:00 - Cowboy Builders: 1.92m (8.4%)
22:00 - Candy Bar Girls: 544k (3.1%)
* series low

Primetime Shares
BBC One - 21.2%
ITV1 - 19.3% (+1: 0.6%)
BBC Two - 7.8%
Channel 4 - 5.3% (+1: 0.8%)
Channel 5 - 4.4%

Ratings include HD and are tape-checked.

Multichannels
5*
18:30 - Home and Away: 467k (2.7%)

BBC Three
20:00 - Jamie: Drag Queen at 16: 385k (1.7%)
21:00 - Alex: A Life In Fast Forward: 737k (3.2%)
* slot average: 550k (2.35%)
22:00 - EastEnders: 970k (5.0%)
23:45 - Alex: A Life In Fast Forward: 263k (4.5%)

BBC Four
21:45 - On the Streets: 211k (1.2%)

E4
19:00 - Hollyoaks: 500k (2.6%)
* +1: 131k (0.6%)

ITV2
21:00 - Peter Andre Here 2 Help: 676k (3.0%)
* +1: 137k (0.8%)

More4
21:00 - One Born Every Minute USA: 322k (1.4%)
* +1: 65k (0.37%)
* slot average: 284k (1.22%)
22:00 - Shameless US: 165.5k (0.9%)
* series low

Sky Living
20:00 - Teen Wolf: 159k (0.7%)

Watch
21:00 - Dynamo: 807k (3.5%)
* +1: 222k (1.26%)
* series high

Source: Broadcast, DS

Unsurprising after last week's breakdowns to see BBC1 and ITV1 down in the 9pm hour. Super figure for Dynamo, can't be long before there is a terrestrial bidding war for them.

I agree, although Emma does have links to the Channel 4 years, she isn't as associated with BB as Brian is. The best solution would have been having them both presenting, then they aren't directly replacing Davina (which is impossible) and they still have a slight nod to the past whilst being able to move the programme forward. Giving Emma a show on her own isn't the best move anyway, shes pregnant and is due in December when BB finishes. So what happens to the spin off if shes early? At least if she co-presented the main show there would be a degree of continuity.


I haven't watched a series in full since BB7 and haven't watched it at all since BB9 (other than the all stars bit at the end of last years). I was looking forward to seeing how Channel 5 approached it and was genuinely looking forward to it for once but I'm not going to bother. I can't stand Brian, he's all 'me me me', the interviews will turn into comparisons about his time in the house. As already pointed out he couldn't even let Davina have her moment at the end of last years final and had to hijack that too.

Channel 5 may have scored a massive own goal with this.

Wasn't Coppers quite a success last time round?