The last series of Torchwood rated very well....whats gone wrong?

well the pacing slow, its 6 days ok, so some maybe pirating it. The US cast seems to be recieving a mixed recepion, and whislt Children of Earth was brillant, doing the same thing again just set in DC isnt the same leve of brillance.

What I don get is that each episode had people tuning out. If ITV had something better on Thursdays than Single Handed, Torchwood would be totally screwed.

It's not 'event television' like COE was (and like COE was promoted as). It doesn't feel like its necessary to watch it on the night it airs.

And looking at the comments on twitter and the forums:

Quite a few people are finding ways to watch it at the US pace (this is not helped by the controversy about the BBC showing an 'edited' version)

Some want the gritty storyline and darkness of COE, others want a return to the quirky, camp TW of S1 & S2 (and the first part of COE).

Then there are those who think it is too american, and some who actually like american imput (usually people who didn't like or never watched TW before).

Some are complaining about the lack of aliens. There aren't aliens [yet] in TW this series, while others are praising the show for being more sci fi by dealing with ideas about humanity, rather than just monsters or aliens.

Some think the pacing is too slow (compared to COE), while a few like the fact that its taking its time to develop the characters and plotline

Basically it seems to be having difficulty pleasing the various factions of TW fandom!

Still. If it comtinues to timeshift well, it wil be OK

The last one was stripped across a week, more of an "event", and wasn't during peak summer holiday season either (granted it was July I think, but the very start, before the schools finished).

That said, you're only looking at the overnights. It will timeshift well, and c6m isn't to be sniffed at.

What's more surprising is ITV's crime drama, with presumably an older and more sedentary demographic, languishing on less than 3m.

I'd actually like to see a detailed breakdown of the viewing figures.

I could understand the drop during the first 2 episodes as they did tend to be slow paced, and only really get going near the end (by which time some might have switched off), but I thought ep 3 was better.
I did see one comment from someone who turned off at the gay sex scene though (not that I minded it )

Thursday 28th July 2011
BBC One
13:40 - Doctors: 1.43m (21.6%)
19:30 - EastEnders: 7.01m (36.6%)
20:00 - Traffic Cops: 3.57m (16.3%)
21:00 - Torchwood: 4.13m (18.5%)
* series low
22:35 - Kids Behind Bars: 1.81m (15.0%)

BBC Two
19:00 - Space Shuttle: The Final Mission: 800k (4.3%)
20:00 - Rick Stein's Spain: 1.92m (8.8%) inc HD
21:00 - Town with Nicholas Crane: 1.94m (8.7%)
22:00 - Have I Got Old News For You: 1.45m (7.8%)

ITV1
19:00 - Emmerdale: 6.23m (35.0%)
* +1: 107k (0.5%)
20:00 - Emmerdale: 6.90m (33.1%)
* +1: 216k (1.0%)
20:30 - Coronation Street: 7.43m (32.5%)
* +1: 532k (2.3%)
* is the +1 figure right? Seems a lot bigger than usual!
21:00 - Single Handed: 2.99m (13.4%)
* +1: 155k (0.9%)
* series low
22:35 - Piers Morgan Life Stories: 1.00m (8.3%)

Channel 4
18:30 - Hollyoaks: 930k (5.5%)
* +1: 114k (0.6%)
20:00 - Help! My House Is Falling Down: 1.39m (6.4%)
* +1: 287k (1.3%)
21:00 - The Killing USA: 1.17m (5.3%)
* +1: 246k (1.4%)
22:00 - 8 Out Of 10 Cats: 880k (5.0%)
* +1: 140k (1.4%)

Channel 5
13:45 - Neighbours: 659k (9.8%)
17:30 - Neighbours: 1.05m (8.4%)
18:00 - Home and Away: 777k (5.2%)
19:30 - How Do They Do It?: 723k (3.8%)
20:00 - Aircrash: 874k (4.0%)
21:00 - Cowboy Builders: 1.62m (7.3%)
22:00 - Candy Bar Girls: 481k (2.9%)
* series low

Primetime Shares
ITV1 - 20.4% (+1: 0.6%)
BBC One - 20.3%
BBC Two - 7.2%
Channel 4 - 5.0% (+1: 1.1%)
Channel 5 - 4.3%

Multichannels
5*
18:30 - Home and Away: 467k (2.8%)

E4
19:00 - Hollyoaks: 369k (2.1%)

ITV2
21:00 - Peter Andre Here 2 Help: 883k (4.0%)
* +1: 102k (0.6%)

Watch
21:00 - Dynamo: 909k (4.1%)
* series high

Source: DS. Terrestrial ratings include HD and are tape-checked

If I remember rightly that week also had apalling weather, as well, so more people were in watching tv

Dynamo is huge!! I went out last night and it was the first time I recorded anything on Watch before. All my friends watch it and it's constantly getting strong word of mouth,

Did you REALLY need to quote the ENTIRE post?

Torchwood is fairly underwhelming in the overnights, but it'll no doubt time shift to a pretty comfortable 5.5m or so. Thats fairly decent and I reckon the BBC will be satisfied enough with it. The chances of a recommission don't rest on these shores anyway - if Starz in the US want another run then it'll get one, and the BBC will probably be happy enough to participate. But if its cut in the US, I wouldn't expect the BBC to step in to save it.

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Regarding the F1, I just think thats a daft deal for the BBC. It's been pretty inevitable that they'd have to cut some sporting rights they didn't want to lose - but they'd be much better going all or nothing, in my opinion. Continuing to spend around £30m a year when they can no longer really tell the story of the championships - or guarantee being there for the pivotal moments - is not worth it. They'd have been better off holding up their hands, saying "can't afford it", make an organised retreat and use the funds to protect other sporting contracts. This provides neither the F1 coverage they really want, nor the savings they really need.

And I think for all the talk of Channel 4, it just worked out too expensive. Bernie would evidently not have accepted a cut in fee, and the only broadcaster who could make a rise happen would be Sky. Hence the deal we have. Frankly, it would have been much more interesting if the BBC had held out, and forced Bernie to make the full move to Pay TV.

Alright, chill.

It's strange seeing Eastenders and Emmerdale so close in ratings. In fact all three soaps rated very similarly last night.

So the cast are moving from Torchwood to having to touch wood?

Anyone know how the US ratings have been holding up? If it is suffering a similar drop off there it might be stuffed.

For me the show needed to be a five episode weekly run like Children of Earth. That worked as a taut story telling device. The new show is too long, therefore too slow, telling an interesting story that would have worked well in half the episodes.

I also think by moving it to the US, ditching most of the UK connections and cast and making Jack less a Doctor Who style character and more like any old lead from any old US action series then the focus of TW that made it quirky and British has just evaporated.

They should have added US cast members but set and filmed most of it in the UK. That would have retained its charm and I suspect plenty of the American audience liked this show because it was not a clone of a zillion other US shows. They would not have turned off because it was not taken over by the USA.

Having scenes where characters swap US words and the UK equivalent (cell phone, no mobile....ATM, no hole in the wall, etc etc feels like treading water and is no substitute for the real banter that used to exist between the old TW team.

Sadly this looks like one show trying to blend the best of America and the UK and ending up somewhere floating in that mid Atlantic Canyon that Mr Hammon was showing us the other night.

Torchwood looks to be the first major casualty of the BBC budget cuts. What next, I wonder?

Don't want to upset you any more Robbie but it's actually SEVEN years - 2012 to 2018 inclusive.

Has it been reported how Only Fools and Horses is doing on BBC1 afternoons?

Has anyone got the ratings for Terence Rattigan - The Enigma (BBC4 at 9pm last nigh)t. It was also repeated later that night.

Er, thanks.

That's a big punt by both the Sky and Beeb. Who knows what the series will look like in 2018, or which teams will be participating. And in what!

I'll do some ITV bashing to cheer myself up...

I read in the paper yesterday that ITV Chief Exec Adam Crozier had lamented the state of ITV's creativity of late, noting they'd "not come up with a big new hit since 2006".

That made me smile.

But then I read that the "big new 2006 hit" was Dancing On Ice.

Given that was just a low-rent rip-off of Strictly, it's hardly a "big new hit".

So can any Ratings Threaders help out Mr Crozier, and ascertain what actually was ITV's last "big new idea", given that by his own definition, it must have been pre-2006?

Hell's Kitchen in 2004 probably. A weird one in that it only did really well over here for one year but has done huge business for ITVS internationally.

Dynamo has been a huge success for Watch but he's going to get poached by one of the terrestrials. I would say Channel 4 but they already have Derren Brown, maybe ITV1 or Channel 5?

Wednesday 17th August - C5
8pm - TBA
9pm NCIS
10pm TBA
11pm TBA
11.55pm Poker

Thursday
8pm Croc Man
9pm New Cowboy Builders
10pm TBA
11pm TBA
12am Casino

Friday
7pm TBA
11pm CSI Miami

Big Brother absent from Channel 5s advanced listings document, shame the same cant be said for The Batchelor.

Loads of "unplaced" & TBA so plenty of space, even The Gadget Show is unplaced.

It's not looking too good if these ratings are anything to go by:

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...episode/98830/

A 0.2 rating in the 18-49 demo is poor, even for a channel like Starz (anlthough Starz being a premium cable channel, they care more about overall viewers, but even so, the current ratings aren't very good at all). I couldn't find the article to link to, but on that site the other day they were discussing it's chances of returning for another season on Starz and they said it was looking doubtful. It'll probably end up being cancelled by Starz and returning to being purely a BBC production (which judging by the reactions that i've read to this latest series, would be a good thing?).

We know where The Gadget Show is going already- Friday 19th at 8pm. Not in the listings document but confirmed by the team on Twitter.

Seems very odd that Channel 5 have released a whole 58 page press booklet for that week without a single mention of Celebrity Big Brother. Unless there's going to be a separate one with all the info on that.