In It To Win It suffered a bit in its earlier slot; I must admit I turned on the TV last night at eight and expected it to be on, but it had already finished.
The Ratings Thread (Part 22)
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Originally Posted by Mr. Chips:
“In It To Win It suffered a bit in its earlier slot; I must admit I turned on the TV last night at eight and expected it to be on, but it had already finished.”
“In It To Win It suffered a bit in its earlier slot; I must admit I turned on the TV last night at eight and expected it to be on, but it had already finished.”
None of the contestants won anything last night. And then the draws came on and I didn't win anything either. It was a programme for losers last night.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Channel 4 however is back to very disappointing figures on Saturdays. The day has long been a problem for them and you have to question their strategy of scheduling high-profile acquisitions like Camelot there, which lost out to a repeat of CSI: Miami last night.”
“Channel 4 however is back to very disappointing figures on Saturdays. The day has long been a problem for them and you have to question their strategy of scheduling high-profile acquisitions like Camelot there, which lost out to a repeat of CSI: Miami last night.”
Jay Hunt has indicated they're going to return to counter scheduling against the big entertainment show (they used to air two-hour documentaries quite often on Saturdays).
Agree though about the acquisitions - keep the drama at 10pm, though Saturday 9pm is a good slot for an encore screening.
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“Wouldn't have thought Saturday 5.15 would be much good either, as they'd have trouble fitting stuff around The X Factor, and if they don't get first choice - which they wouldn't in that situation - some of the games would be very poor.”
“Wouldn't have thought Saturday 5.15 would be much good either, as they'd have trouble fitting stuff around The X Factor, and if they don't get first choice - which they wouldn't in that situation - some of the games would be very poor.”
The X Factor would never start before 7.30pm - it would only be replacing the You've Been Framed repeats etc., though at considerably more cost so unless they can get the money in it would be a non-starter.
And not quite sure where they rank in terms of choice (2nd or 3rd I'd guess) but ESPN have a fairly decent mix of matches, though of course there are a few relegation battle games which may not have the appeal ITV would want or need.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“And not quite sure where they rank in terms of choice (2nd or 3rd I'd guess) but ESPN have a fairly decent mix of matches, though of course there are a few relegation battle games which may not have the appeal ITV would want or need.”
“And not quite sure where they rank in terms of choice (2nd or 3rd I'd guess) but ESPN have a fairly decent mix of matches, though of course there are a few relegation battle games which may not have the appeal ITV would want or need.”
Including Tottenham v Man City on Sunday 28th August, which on paper looks like it could be a record-breaking game for ESPN in terms of audience, especially if it's a good one.
It's a myth that Sky get "all the best games."
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“Nobody's mentioned but the Beeb are piloting another Saturday night show, it was in Broadcast, called Pros and Cons where the audience are challenged to guess who's full-time expert in a subject (the pro) and who's an MOTP who's had a bit of training (the con artist, you see). It says this is part of Danny Cohen's drive to make LE shows more inclusive and celebrate the Great British Public. Might be OK, it's only being piloted at the minute.”
“Nobody's mentioned but the Beeb are piloting another Saturday night show, it was in Broadcast, called Pros and Cons where the audience are challenged to guess who's full-time expert in a subject (the pro) and who's an MOTP who's had a bit of training (the con artist, you see). It says this is part of Danny Cohen's drive to make LE shows more inclusive and celebrate the Great British Public. Might be OK, it's only being piloted at the minute.”
It sounds like a deviation on Odd One In. Are the BBC trying to copy ITV's Light Entertainment approach? I can see the point of copying The X Factor/Pop Idol but Odd One In...really???
Though saying that Odd One In doesn't collapse in an early evening slot like it could've done. The Harry Potter films appear to have supported it over the last couple of weeks. Penn and Teller had a stable but low-ish audience; I hope it gets another chance on a better night. Everyone'll be pleased to see the back of The Marriage Ref, though if it could get 1.8m on, say, a Monday night 10.35pm it'd probably be seen as a success!
BBC Two struggled but only down to the Proms which shouldn't be dropped - and BBC Two will have no plans to do it.
Channel Five had a reasonable night but Channel 4 are really struggling...when's this 'creative renewal' going to take place exactly? BBC One had a decent night; Tonight the Night was dented by Harry Potter but the share held up.
17:30- Total Wipeout: 1.65m (13.4%) - Put Pointless here
18:30- Tonight's The Night: 3.04m (19.6%) - Dropping each week under 3m next week?
19:30- The National Lottery: In It To Win It: 4.44m (24.9%) - Steady figure #2 for night
20:20- Casualty: 4.79m (24.7%) - Maintaining #1 rating
21:10- John Bishop's Britain: 3.8m (19.8%) - Better than Lee Mack #3 for night
22:00- King Arthur: 2.1m (15.2%) - Good for timeslot
ITV1
17:40- Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Azkaban: 3.64m (24.1%) - Stand out figure - could timeshift to 4m
20:15- Odd One In: 2.89m (15.2%) - Poor for timeslot but cheap tv
21:00- Penn & Teller: Fool Us: 2.96m (15.3%) - Deserves renewing but not amazing rating
22:00- The Marriage Ref: 1.8m (11%) - Thankfully last show
Not the best ratings last night. HP rescued ITV1 from an embarrassing share.
18:30- Tonight's The Night: 3.04m (19.6%) - Dropping each week under 3m next week?
19:30- The National Lottery: In It To Win It: 4.44m (24.9%) - Steady figure #2 for night
20:20- Casualty: 4.79m (24.7%) - Maintaining #1 rating
21:10- John Bishop's Britain: 3.8m (19.8%) - Better than Lee Mack #3 for night
22:00- King Arthur: 2.1m (15.2%) - Good for timeslot
ITV1
17:40- Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Azkaban: 3.64m (24.1%) - Stand out figure - could timeshift to 4m
20:15- Odd One In: 2.89m (15.2%) - Poor for timeslot but cheap tv
21:00- Penn & Teller: Fool Us: 2.96m (15.3%) - Deserves renewing but not amazing rating
22:00- The Marriage Ref: 1.8m (11%) - Thankfully last show
Not the best ratings last night. HP rescued ITV1 from an embarrassing share.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Louis Walsh confirms on Top Gear that The X Factor Final is on December 12th.”
“Louis Walsh confirms on Top Gear that The X Factor Final is on December 12th.”
From ITV's point of view I don't understand it. Surely one more weekend and holding the final on the 18th/19th would make more sense financially? That's assuming they'd declare the Christmas Number One on Christmas Day this year.
Maybe Simon has decided to do us all a favour and not subject us to another "Winners Song" Christmas No 1.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“From ITV's point of view I don't understand it. Surely one more weekend and holding the final on the 18th/19th would make more sense financially?”
“From ITV's point of view I don't understand it. Surely one more weekend and holding the final on the 18th/19th would make more sense financially?”
10th/11th is better for ITV because that way TXF Final avoids clashes against the SCD Final and Sports Personality of the Year. On SCD Finale night, there are two episodes of it and there'd probably be some kind of clash between the two shows, which would dent TXF's average (as well as SCD's) a little bit. As for SPOTY, in 2009 TXF final didn't average as highly as it potentially could have done due to a clash against SPOTY between 7.30-9pm.
Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
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18:30- Tonight's The Night: 3.04m (19.6%) - Dropping each week under 3m next week?”
“[i]
18:30- Tonight's The Night: 3.04m (19.6%) - Dropping each week under 3m next week?”
But it was in an earlier time slot this week, so I expected it to have less viewers ,especially with the good weather meaning less people watching TV then. It's % share was almost the same as last week!, so its hardly in freefall!
Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
“[i]19:30- The National Lottery: In It To Win It: 4.44m (24.9%) - Steady figure #2 for night ”
“[i]19:30- The National Lottery: In It To Win It: 4.44m (24.9%) - Steady figure #2 for night ”
It was down more than 1m viewers compared to last week, also probably due to the earlier time slot and good weather.. But was also down in percentage terrns as well.
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“Maybe Simon has decided to do us all a favour and not subject us to another "Winners Song" Christmas No 1.”
“Maybe Simon has decided to do us all a favour and not subject us to another "Winners Song" Christmas No 1.”
That surely is just too much to hope for?
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“From ITV's point of view I don't understand it. Surely one more weekend and holding the final on the 18th/19th would make more sense financially? That's assuming they'd declare the Christmas Number One on Christmas Day this year.”
“From ITV's point of view I don't understand it. Surely one more weekend and holding the final on the 18th/19th would make more sense financially? That's assuming they'd declare the Christmas Number One on Christmas Day this year.
”
As discussed when this cropped up a few weeks ago from an advertisers point of view advertising on the 10/11th means viewers have one more weekend before Christmas to get to the shops, so that little more lucrative.
9 July 19:10- Tonight's The Night: 3.9m (22.5%)
16 July 19:10 - Tonight's The Night: 4.53m (22.4%)
23 July 19:00- Tonight's The Night: 3.7m (19.8%)
30 July 18:30- Tonight's The Night: 3.04m (19.6%)
So basically since ITV started airing the Harry Potter films, TTN is down about 3% share.
I don't think that spells doom for the show, no matter how much some people wish it did.
16 July 19:10 - Tonight's The Night: 4.53m (22.4%)
23 July 19:00- Tonight's The Night: 3.7m (19.8%)
30 July 18:30- Tonight's The Night: 3.04m (19.6%)
So basically since ITV started airing the Harry Potter films, TTN is down about 3% share.
I don't think that spells doom for the show, no matter how much some people wish it did.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“As discussed when this cropped up a few weeks ago from an advertisers point of view advertising on the 10/11th means viewers have one more weekend before Christmas to get to the shops, so that little more lucrative.”
“As discussed when this cropped up a few weeks ago from an advertisers point of view advertising on the 10/11th means viewers have one more weekend before Christmas to get to the shops, so that little more lucrative.”
Weekend wise, a TXF final on the 17th/18th only gives Christmas Eve for shopping and only dim-witted men do their Christmas shopping on Christmas Eve and they pick up the first thing that comes to hand rather than something they've seen advertised during The X Factor.
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“Maybe Simon has decided to do us all a favour and not subject us to another "Winners Song" Christmas No 1.”
“Maybe Simon has decided to do us all a favour and not subject us to another "Winners Song" Christmas No 1.”
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“That surely is just too much to hope for?”
“That surely is just too much to hope for?”
A 10th/11th final means the Christmas chart will be the second week on the winner's chart run, so it's the best of both worlds (
); the winner still has the chance to be Christmas number 1 but now the battle will be more even and interesting because a lot of people will have bought the winner's record the week before.Clearly, though, ITV are thinking about providing the best value for their advertisers (and thus the most profit for themselves) rather than worrying about how exciting the battle for Christmas number 1 is.
Originally Posted by rzt:
“10th/11th is better for ITV because that way TXF Final avoids clashes against the SCD Final and Sports Personality of the Year. On SCD Finale night, there are two episodes of it and there'd probably be some kind of clash between the two shows, which would dent TXF's average (as well as SCD's) a little bit. As for SPOTY, in 2009 TXF final didn't average as highly as it potentially could have done due to a clash against SPOTY between 7.30-9pm.”
“10th/11th is better for ITV because that way TXF Final avoids clashes against the SCD Final and Sports Personality of the Year. On SCD Finale night, there are two episodes of it and there'd probably be some kind of clash between the two shows, which would dent TXF's average (as well as SCD's) a little bit. As for SPOTY, in 2009 TXF final didn't average as highly as it potentially could have done due to a clash against SPOTY between 7.30-9pm.”
I guess the two channels could schedule around it if need be, though.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“As discussed when this cropped up a few weeks ago from an advertisers point of view advertising on the 10/11th means viewers have one more weekend before Christmas to get to the shops, so that little more lucrative.”
“As discussed when this cropped up a few weeks ago from an advertisers point of view advertising on the 10/11th means viewers have one more weekend before Christmas to get to the shops, so that little more lucrative.”
Ah that makes sense - thanks.
Does that mean the commercial channels will probably go full out with their programming in that week, then start the Christmas drop off from the 17th?
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“Maybe Simon has decided to do us all a favour and not subject us to another "Winners Song" Christmas No 1.”
“Maybe Simon has decided to do us all a favour and not subject us to another "Winners Song" Christmas No 1.”
Cowell hasn't played ball with ITV this year, so ITV are just returning the 'favour'.
Another day of disruption at BBC News tomorrow...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...-strike-monday
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...-strike-monday
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I think it was in preparation for next week when they need to start the late film at 10pm so that they can start the returning Football League Show before midnight.
Although what they've actually done is start everything 10 minutes later next week (allowing Final Score to run until 5.20pm) with the film Con Air starting at 10.10pm and the FLS starting at 11.55pm.”
“I think it was in preparation for next week when they need to start the late film at 10pm so that they can start the returning Football League Show before midnight.
Although what they've actually done is start everything 10 minutes later next week (allowing Final Score to run until 5.20pm) with the film Con Air starting at 10.10pm and the FLS starting at 11.55pm.”
Why the late film? Why not air the FLS at 10.30/11pm ish. Save the cost of the film and give lower league football a higher profile for a week
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Channel 5
19:00- Test Match Cricket Highlights: 1.08m (6.4%)
20:00- NCIS: 828k (4.4%)
21:00- CSI: Miami: 1.09m (5.6%)
22:00- Law & Order: SVU: 1.15m (7%)”
“Channel 5
19:00- Test Match Cricket Highlights: 1.08m (6.4%)
20:00- NCIS: 828k (4.4%)
21:00- CSI: Miami: 1.09m (5.6%)
22:00- Law & Order: SVU: 1.15m (7%)”
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“To be fair to BBC Two, they only finished behind C5 last night because of the Proms. Normally they are very strong on Saturday nights and C5 has little hope of topping their share on this day.”
“To be fair to BBC Two, they only finished behind C5 last night because of the Proms. Normally they are very strong on Saturday nights and C5 has little hope of topping their share on this day.”
Indeed, but 3 hours over a million on a Saturday night is very good. Decent raw numbers.
I don't know how much of a crossover audience there is between C5 and normal (non-proms) BBC2 Saturday programming that may have boosted C5?
Also worth noting is the schedule wasn't tied to the end of Casualty as normal - the only shared junction with BBC1 was 10pm. So NCIS did well IMO up against Casualty for 40 minutes, as did the CSI Miami repeat, though I expect the first 10 minutes (overlapping with Casualty) was lower than the rest.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...ios?CMP=twt_fd
Red Or Black could be a disappointment, can see ratings peaking for 1st and last show, I wouldn't be surprised if it drops 2m by the Tuesday episode.
Quote:
“Lygo admits that "in an age of great big monster global entertainment hits like X Factor … there's definitely a desire to make those shows. Our first one, we're hoping, will be Red or Black. It's one of our most expensive shows, a great big event".
Over the past five years, ITV Studios has gone through a ride bumpier than Weatherfield's cobbles, with Simon Fuller and Simon Cowell snapping up its entertainment execs, and ex-ITVS drama producers setting up their own production companies.
Like the title of one of its new quizzes, ITVS has been holding out for a hero. Has it found one in Lygo? The early signs are promising. It recently reported what UBS analysts called a "stronger than expected" performance, with revenues up 4% year on year to £264m in the first half of 2011.
After digital soap spin-offs from The Archers and EastEnders, Lygo says there is "room" to do the same with ITV's soaps but only if there is a commercial benefit and viewers are not overloaded. "The most powerful thing is to create new storylines and great things for the characters to do."”
“Lygo admits that "in an age of great big monster global entertainment hits like X Factor … there's definitely a desire to make those shows. Our first one, we're hoping, will be Red or Black. It's one of our most expensive shows, a great big event".
Over the past five years, ITV Studios has gone through a ride bumpier than Weatherfield's cobbles, with Simon Fuller and Simon Cowell snapping up its entertainment execs, and ex-ITVS drama producers setting up their own production companies.
Like the title of one of its new quizzes, ITVS has been holding out for a hero. Has it found one in Lygo? The early signs are promising. It recently reported what UBS analysts called a "stronger than expected" performance, with revenues up 4% year on year to £264m in the first half of 2011.
After digital soap spin-offs from The Archers and EastEnders, Lygo says there is "room" to do the same with ITV's soaps but only if there is a commercial benefit and viewers are not overloaded. "The most powerful thing is to create new storylines and great things for the characters to do."”
Red Or Black could be a disappointment, can see ratings peaking for 1st and last show, I wouldn't be surprised if it drops 2m by the Tuesday episode.
Originally Posted by rionia:
“But it was in an earlier time slot this week, so I expected it to have less viewers ,especially with the good weather meaning less people watching TV then. It's % share was almost the same as last week!, so its hardly in freefall!
It was down more than 1m viewers compared to last week, also probably due to the earlier time slot and good weather.. But was also down in percentage terrns as well.”
“But it was in an earlier time slot this week, so I expected it to have less viewers ,especially with the good weather meaning less people watching TV then. It's % share was almost the same as last week!, so its hardly in freefall!
It was down more than 1m viewers compared to last week, also probably due to the earlier time slot and good weather.. But was also down in percentage terrns as well.”
Originally Posted by rionia:
“23 July 19:00- Tonight's The Night: 3.7m (19.8%)
30 July 18:30- Tonight's The Night: 3.04m (19.6%)”
“23 July 19:00- Tonight's The Night: 3.7m (19.8%)
30 July 18:30- Tonight's The Night: 3.04m (19.6%)”
Yes I thought some BBC1 shows were airing earlier than normal, my mum loves Tonight's The Night - but hates John Barrowman singing, but it was still beaten soundly by Harry Potter. Arguably it could rate higher than John Bishop in a 9pm slot - so it is not a ratings disaster. Personally I am not a fan of either of them. In the show's defence, it was down only 0.66m and by 0.2% audience share.
Originally Posted by rionia:
“16 July 19:10 - Tonight's The Night: 4.53m (22.4%)
30 July 18:30- Tonight's The Night: 3.04m (19.6%)”
“16 July 19:10 - Tonight's The Night: 4.53m (22.4%)
30 July 18:30- Tonight's The Night: 3.04m (19.6%)”
It has however lost 33% of viewers in 2 weeks, who seem to prefer sunshine to John Barrowman's sunshine smile. I do stand by my prediction as next week it is on 6.40-740pm and up against - The Goblet of Fire .
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“It actually said in The Guardian yesterday how they're going to work out the picks - the Beeb get first choice of three races they want to show, which they've already decided will be British, Monaco and the final race of the season. Then Sky pick three they want to show exclusively live, then the Beeb pick another three, and so on. So it'll work out...
Picks 1-3 - BBC
Picks 4-6 - Sky
Picks 7-9 - BBC
Picks 10-12 - Sky
Picks 13-15 - BBC
Picks 16-18 - Sky
Then if there's one left, Sky get it, and if there's two left, presumably the Beeb toss a coin. When you get that far down I doubt it matters much.”
“It actually said in The Guardian yesterday how they're going to work out the picks - the Beeb get first choice of three races they want to show, which they've already decided will be British, Monaco and the final race of the season. Then Sky pick three they want to show exclusively live, then the Beeb pick another three, and so on. So it'll work out...
Picks 1-3 - BBC
Picks 4-6 - Sky
Picks 7-9 - BBC
Picks 10-12 - Sky
Picks 13-15 - BBC
Picks 16-18 - Sky
Then if there's one left, Sky get it, and if there's two left, presumably the Beeb toss a coin. When you get that far down I doubt it matters much.”
Did it say that EXACTLY?
The article I read said BBC pick first 3, then Sky pick 3 and then it alternates.
The way I interpreted that is that it's:
7th BBC
8th Sky
9th BBC
10th Sky
etc
In other news ITV are making a co-production with Mastepiece in America called Endeavour about the early years of Inspector Morse. The actor will be revealed by ITV on Wednesday.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Including Tottenham v Man City on Sunday 28th August, which on paper looks like it could be a record-breaking game for ESPN in terms of audience, especially if it's a good one.”
“Including Tottenham v Man City on Sunday 28th August, which on paper looks like it could be a record-breaking game for ESPN in terms of audience, especially if it's a good one.”
No chance of a record breaking audience in the Sun 1.30pm slot.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“It's a myth that Sky get "all the best games."”
“It's a myth that Sky get "all the best games."”
There are 30 matches where the "big 6" meet each other.
Last season:
Sky showed 28
ESPN showed 1
1 was not shown live
So not much of a myth!
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