YouView's limited support already collapsing?

MostynDS · 06-07-2011, 22:37

I post this here for discussion purposes. It is probably better directed at IP TV, but let's be honest, this forum is desperate for anything to talk about.

After the recent withdrawl of Technicolor (Thompson) from the YouView consortium, today it is reported that Sony have announced that they have no plans to integrate the platform into it's TVs, PVRs BluRays etc.

http://www.reghardware.com/2011/07/06/sony_says_no_yo/

Surely this sort of support is crucial to the platform having any chance of becoming established?

ashjf · 07-07-2011, 09:51

Yes but Sony want to build on their Bravia Internet TV which includes TV streaming & On Demand, they want to build on IPTV rather than widgets etc

MostynDS · 07-07-2011, 11:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashjf

Yes but Sony want to build on their Bravia Internet TV which includes TV streaming & On Demand, they want to build on IPTV rather than widgets etc

Agreed, but surely if YouView is to flourish, it needs to be built in to TVs in the same way that Freeview is. Most of the major manufacturers have similar systems in their TVs (VieraCast etc). It's interesting that none of the big TV manufacturers are part of the YouView consortium.

It'll be interesting to see if Sony are just the first to refuse to support it.

scotty2808 · 07-07-2011, 20:15

Fairly certain that YouView's spec indicates it must run over the top of a unix OS and include 30gig of space available for local storage (assuming this is for data to be stored locally to reduce re-requests and speed up response times for things like on screen pictures).

noise747 · 09-07-2011, 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by MostynDS

Agreed, but surely if YouView is to flourish, it needs to be built in to TVs in the same way that Freeview is. Most of the major manufacturers have similar systems in their TVs (VieraCast etc). It's interesting that none of the big TV manufacturers are part of the YouView consortium.

It'll be interesting to see if Sony are just the first to refuse to support it.

You view was suppose to be a PVR with video on demand bolted onto it, so it will be no good in a T.V. i also don't think that sony not supporting it in their PVRs is going to make much difference, after all sony is not really a name that most people go to for PVRs.

But saying that if sony says they are not going to bother, will it affect other manufactures? I have said when You view was first announced that I doubt it will come to much.

they have missed the boat to be honest, with only London at the time left to change to digital, most people who want a a HD PVR would have got one and I doubt they will be want to spend money again so soon after.

I got my HD Freeview PVr about 2 months back, maybe more, times goes so fast, there is not way I am going to go out and spend another couple of hundred quid on another box next year
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Pure Genius · 09-07-2011, 19:52

Any TV service in the UK is bound to fail at any price and with any delivery mechanism if it doesn't have premium content.

simple as...

add to the fact that virtually all the programmes on TV today can be found on the internet for free or cheap and then you realise how pointless it all is...

waste of time, effort and money.

noise747 · 11-07-2011, 09:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pure Genius

Any TV service in the UK is bound to fail at any price and with any delivery mechanism if it doesn't have premium content.

simple as...

add to the fact that virtually all the programmes on TV today can be found on the internet for free or cheap and then you realise how pointless it all is...

waste of time, effort and money.

You should put Sky in with that as well apart from the sport channels. sky entertainment channels, may have a load of content, but most of it is repeated or old.

Pure Genius · 11-07-2011, 09:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by noise747

You should put Sky in with that as well apart from the sport channels. sky entertainment channels, may have a load of content, but most of it is repeated or old.

Nope,

Game of Thrones, Blue Bloods etc. is all exclusive to Sky. Plus lots of the stuff on Sky1.

and Sky has non premium sports to appeal to niche markets..

ATR, Eurosport, Motors TV etc.

Content is king.

2Bdecided · 11-07-2011, 11:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pure Genius

Any TV service in the UK is bound to fail at any price and with any delivery mechanism if it doesn't have premium content.

Yeah, that Freeview platform absolutely tanked! And not one person in the whole of the UK has Freesat.

Absolutely everyone in the UK can't wait to pay £1000 for sport and movies.

No one watches those free channels from BBC, ITV, Ch4 etc do they?

Cheers,
David.

P.S. The YouView spec includes the delivery of premium protected pay-TV content.

Pure Genius · 11-07-2011, 12:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Bdecided

Yeah, that Freeview platform absolutely tanked! And not one person in the whole of the UK has Freesat.

Absolutely everyone in the UK can't wait to pay £1000 for sport and movies.

No one watches those free channels from BBC, ITV, Ch4 etc do they?

Cheers,
David.

P.S. The YouView spec includes the delivery of premium protected pay-TV content.

I wouldn't consider Freeview a TV service in the context of this conversation, but well done for missing the point ..!

freeview isn't a choice

In fact, if you consider that 30%+ of the people (houses) in the UK choose to willingly pay a minimum of £228 extra per year for Sky TV then I think you can consider it a failure despite its' default status.

£1000??

really, how so?

noise747 · 12-07-2011, 08:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pure Genius

Nope,

Game of Thrones, Blue Bloods etc. is all exclusive to Sky. Plus lots of the stuff on Sky1.

and Sky has non premium sports to appeal to niche markets..

ATR, Eurosport, Motors TV etc.

Content is king.

content is king, but considering the amount of channels that is on the Sky platform, I am surprised when people who have Sky still tell me there is nothing on worth watching.

noise747 · 12-07-2011, 08:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Bdecided

Yeah, that Freeview platform absolutely tanked! And not one person in the whole of the UK has Freesat.

Absolutely everyone in the UK can't wait to pay £1000 for sport and movies.

No one watches those free channels from BBC, ITV, Ch4 etc do they?

Cheers,
David.

P.S. The YouView spec includes the delivery of premium protected pay-TV content.

People had little choice to go over to Freeview or Freesat if they did not want Sky or virgin.

I think the picture quality of Freeview have got worse, BBC one is worse now than it ever been.

You View payment system will be pathetic, because you will need to set up a direct debit for each provider you require. so if you use three VOD providers, you need three direct debits set up.

I still think you View will fail and will be wasted money

noise747 · 12-07-2011, 08:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pure Genius

I wouldn't consider Freeview a TV service in the context of this conversation, but well done for missing the point ..!

freeview isn't a choice

In fact, if you consider that 30%+ of the people (houses) in the UK choose to willingly pay a minimum of £228 extra per year for Sky TV then I think you can consider it a failure despite its' default status.

£1000??

really, how so?

Freeview is a choice to a certain degree, you can have Freeview, Freesat or pay for Sky, maybe Virgin if you live in the area. which ever way if you want to watch T.V, you need to change to change if you have not changed form analogue already

spaceman05 · 12-07-2011, 14:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by noise747

content is king, but considering the amount of channels that is on the Sky platform, I am surprised when people who have Sky still tell me there is nothing on worth watching.

never a truer word said

noise747 · 13-07-2011, 09:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by spaceman05

never a truer word said

But this is where a PVR comes into play. even on the limited channels I got on Freeview I record a load of stuff, so even if there is nothing on T.V, I still got something to watch.,

People can do that with sky.

ashjf · 15-07-2011, 10:41

Sony not making YouView boxes is not a big deal tbh, they will carry in working on their Bravia Internet TV and some time next year launch Google TV products in the UK.

noise747 · 15-07-2011, 22:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashjf

Sony not making YouView boxes is not a big deal tbh, they will carry in working on their Bravia Internet TV and some time next year launch Google TV products in the UK.

Internet T.V is still in it's early days, at the moment very few people are interested, apart from say Iplayer.

You only have to look at the take up of BT Vision to see how interested people are.

I still think that you view will be too late as most of the country will have gone digital by then. If you view have been out before the central switch over it may have done ok as people updated to HD, myself included.

but no way am i going to fork out again next year just because some box can connect to the net and may offer a service that is ok.

As for Google T.V, has it been confirmed that it will come over here and how many people will be interested?

the internet for a lot of people is not good enough for IPTv anyway.

06-07-2011, 22:37	#1
MostynDS Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 773	YouView's limited support already collapsing? I post this here for discussion purposes. It is probably better directed at IP TV, but let's be honest, this forum is desperate for anything to talk about. After the recent withdrawl of Technicolor (Thompson) from the YouView consortium, today it is reported that Sony have announced that they have no plans to integrate the platform into it's TVs, PVRs BluRays etc. http://www.reghardware.com/2011/07/06/sony_says_no_yo/ Surely this sort of support is crucial to the platform having any chance of becoming established?

07-07-2011, 09:51	#2
ashjf Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: South East Posts: 909	Yes but Sony want to build on their Bravia Internet TV which includes TV streaming & On Demand, they want to build on IPTV rather than widgets etc

07-07-2011, 11:03	#3
MostynDS Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 773	Quote: Originally Posted by ashjf Yes but Sony want to build on their Bravia Internet TV which includes TV streaming & On Demand, they want to build on IPTV rather than widgets etc Agreed, but surely if YouView is to flourish, it needs to be built in to TVs in the same way that Freeview is. Most of the major manufacturers have similar systems in their TVs (VieraCast etc). It's interesting that none of the big TV manufacturers are part of the YouView consortium. It'll be interesting to see if Sony are just the first to refuse to support it.

07-07-2011, 20:15	#4
scotty2808 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 435	Fairly certain that YouView's spec indicates it must run over the top of a unix OS and include 30gig of space available for local storage (assuming this is for data to be stored locally to reduce re-requests and speed up response times for things like on screen pictures).

09-07-2011, 18:59	#5
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by MostynDS Agreed, but surely if YouView is to flourish, it needs to be built in to TVs in the same way that Freeview is. Most of the major manufacturers have similar systems in their TVs (VieraCast etc). It's interesting that none of the big TV manufacturers are part of the YouView consortium. It'll be interesting to see if Sony are just the first to refuse to support it. You view was suppose to be a PVR with video on demand bolted onto it, so it will be no good in a T.V. i also don't think that sony not supporting it in their PVRs is going to make much difference, after all sony is not really a name that most people go to for PVRs. But saying that if sony says they are not going to bother, will it affect other manufactures? I have said when You view was first announced that I doubt it will come to much. they have missed the boat to be honest, with only London at the time left to change to digital, most people who want a a HD PVR would have got one and I doubt they will be want to spend money again so soon after. I got my HD Freeview PVr about 2 months back, maybe more, times goes so fast, there is not way I am going to go out and spend another couple of hundred quid on another box next year #

09-07-2011, 19:52	#6
Pure Genius Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: N.of Sheffield, S. of N'castle Posts: 265	Any TV service in the UK is bound to fail at any price and with any delivery mechanism if it doesn't have premium content. simple as... add to the fact that virtually all the programmes on TV today can be found on the internet for free or cheap and then you realise how pointless it all is... waste of time, effort and money.

11-07-2011, 09:05	#7
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by Pure Genius Any TV service in the UK is bound to fail at any price and with any delivery mechanism if it doesn't have premium content. simple as... add to the fact that virtually all the programmes on TV today can be found on the internet for free or cheap and then you realise how pointless it all is... waste of time, effort and money. You should put Sky in with that as well apart from the sport channels. sky entertainment channels, may have a load of content, but most of it is repeated or old.

11-07-2011, 09:57	#8
Pure Genius Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: N.of Sheffield, S. of N'castle Posts: 265	Quote: Originally Posted by noise747 You should put Sky in with that as well apart from the sport channels. sky entertainment channels, may have a load of content, but most of it is repeated or old. Nope, Game of Thrones, Blue Bloods etc. is all exclusive to Sky. Plus lots of the stuff on Sky1. and Sky has non premium sports to appeal to niche markets.. ATR, Eurosport, Motors TV etc. Content is king.

11-07-2011, 11:58	#9
2Bdecided Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 4,391	Quote: Originally Posted by Pure Genius Any TV service in the UK is bound to fail at any price and with any delivery mechanism if it doesn't have premium content. Yeah, that Freeview platform absolutely tanked! And not one person in the whole of the UK has Freesat. Absolutely everyone in the UK can't wait to pay £1000 for sport and movies. No one watches those free channels from BBC, ITV, Ch4 etc do they? Cheers, David. P.S. The YouView spec includes the delivery of premium protected pay-TV content.

11-07-2011, 12:32	#10
Pure Genius Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: N.of Sheffield, S. of N'castle Posts: 265	Quote: Originally Posted by 2Bdecided Yeah, that Freeview platform absolutely tanked! And not one person in the whole of the UK has Freesat. Absolutely everyone in the UK can't wait to pay £1000 for sport and movies. No one watches those free channels from BBC, ITV, Ch4 etc do they? Cheers, David. P.S. The YouView spec includes the delivery of premium protected pay-TV content. I wouldn't consider Freeview a TV service in the context of this conversation, but well done for missing the point ..! freeview isn't a choice In fact, if you consider that 30%+ of the people (houses) in the UK choose to willingly pay a minimum of £228 extra per year for Sky TV then I think you can consider it a failure despite its' default status. £1000?? really, how so?

12-07-2011, 08:09	#11
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by Pure Genius Nope, Game of Thrones, Blue Bloods etc. is all exclusive to Sky. Plus lots of the stuff on Sky1. and Sky has non premium sports to appeal to niche markets.. ATR, Eurosport, Motors TV etc. Content is king. content is king, but considering the amount of channels that is on the Sky platform, I am surprised when people who have Sky still tell me there is nothing on worth watching.

12-07-2011, 08:13	#12
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by 2Bdecided Yeah, that Freeview platform absolutely tanked! And not one person in the whole of the UK has Freesat. Absolutely everyone in the UK can't wait to pay £1000 for sport and movies. No one watches those free channels from BBC, ITV, Ch4 etc do they? Cheers, David. P.S. The YouView spec includes the delivery of premium protected pay-TV content. People had little choice to go over to Freeview or Freesat if they did not want Sky or virgin. I think the picture quality of Freeview have got worse, BBC one is worse now than it ever been. You View payment system will be pathetic, because you will need to set up a direct debit for each provider you require. so if you use three VOD providers, you need three direct debits set up. I still think you View will fail and will be wasted money

12-07-2011, 08:16	#13
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by Pure Genius I wouldn't consider Freeview a TV service in the context of this conversation, but well done for missing the point ..! freeview isn't a choice In fact, if you consider that 30%+ of the people (houses) in the UK choose to willingly pay a minimum of £228 extra per year for Sky TV then I think you can consider it a failure despite its' default status. £1000?? really, how so? Freeview is a choice to a certain degree, you can have Freeview, Freesat or pay for Sky, maybe Virgin if you live in the area. which ever way if you want to watch T.V, you need to change to change if you have not changed form analogue already

12-07-2011, 14:21	#14
spaceman05 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,113	Quote: Originally Posted by noise747 content is king, but considering the amount of channels that is on the Sky platform, I am surprised when people who have Sky still tell me there is nothing on worth watching. never a truer word said

13-07-2011, 09:57	#15
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by spaceman05 never a truer word said But this is where a PVR comes into play. even on the limited channels I got on Freeview I record a load of stuff, so even if there is nothing on T.V, I still got something to watch., People can do that with sky.

15-07-2011, 10:41	#16
ashjf Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: South East Posts: 909	Sony not making YouView boxes is not a big deal tbh, they will carry in working on their Bravia Internet TV and some time next year launch Google TV products in the UK.

15-07-2011, 22:32	#17
noise747 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Herefordshire Posts: 22,810	Quote: Originally Posted by ashjf Sony not making YouView boxes is not a big deal tbh, they will carry in working on their Bravia Internet TV and some time next year launch Google TV products in the UK. Internet T.V is still in it's early days, at the moment very few people are interested, apart from say Iplayer. You only have to look at the take up of BT Vision to see how interested people are. I still think that you view will be too late as most of the country will have gone digital by then. If you view have been out before the central switch over it may have done ok as people updated to HD, myself included. but no way am i going to fork out again next year just because some box can connect to the net and may offer a service that is ok. As for Google T.V, has it been confirmed that it will come over here and how many people will be interested? the internet for a lot of people is not good enough for IPTv anyway.

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