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Old 07-07-2011, 15:12
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When watching Melody's performance on The Apprentice, I thought of my friends in the youth engagement sector. They are all employed in public or voluntary sector jobs and do vital work, yet earn a fraction of what she does. I know people who have acted as voluntary counsellors on youth helplines for years, but have received little or no recognition for their work.

Isn't skilling up young people a charitable / public sector initiative by its very nature? If Melody was offering motivational speaking workshops to business clients, that would be a different matter entirely.
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Old 07-07-2011, 15:12
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What does she earn?
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Old 07-07-2011, 15:16
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Not sure, but she told Lord Sugar that her business was "very much for profit." Unlike youth worker friends of mine... One had to take a second job that he disliked just to make ends meet.
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Old 07-07-2011, 15:23
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Not sure, but she told Lord Sugar that her business was "very much for profit." Unlike youth worker friends of mine... One had to take a second job that he disliked just to make ends meet.
She was lying. I suspect she has a wealthy family who "sponsor" her fake business
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Old 07-07-2011, 15:26
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What does she earn?
Why ask if you're already made up your mind?!

She was lying. I suspect she has a wealthy family who "sponsor" her fake business
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Old 07-07-2011, 15:42
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Why ask if you're already made up your mind?!
simply to prove the point that people do fall for bluster.
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Old 07-07-2011, 15:45
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simply to prove the point that people do fall for bluster.
You're making serious acccusations. Where's your evidence?

If you have none I suggest you stop before you get yourself in a lot of trouble. Don't think that because you're on the internet that your comments are anonymous or untraceable.
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Old 07-07-2011, 15:49
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simply to prove the point that people do fall for bluster.
I don't think people are "falling" for anything. I'm keeping an open mind. You seem to have made yours up without any real evidence.
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Old 07-07-2011, 15:49
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You're making serious acccusations. Where's your evidence?

If you have none I suggest you stop before you get yourself in a lot of trouble. Don't think that because you're on the internet that your comments are anonymous or untraceable.
Look, it seems evident that you know the girl but on DS folks tend to be a bit more subtle..
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Old 07-07-2011, 15:49
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Not sure, but she told Lord Sugar that her business was "very much for profit." Unlike youth worker friends of mine... One had to take a second job that he disliked just to make ends meet.
You have no idea what she earns yet you state that your friend(s) earn a fraction of what she earns? Some facts would be nice, not just your assumptions.

And all this because she didn't reply to your email?
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Old 07-07-2011, 15:51
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I don't think people are "falling" for anything. I'm keeping an open mind. You seem to have made yours up without any real evidence.
It was a reply to post 1 - "yet earn a fraction of what she does"


she has never stated that she has made any money so I do not know how the OP can make that statement, unless you know different?

if so reply below..
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Old 07-07-2011, 15:52
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It was a reply to post 1 - "yet earn a fraction of what she does"


she has never stated that she has made any money so I do not know how the OP can make that statement, unless you know different?

if so reply below..
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Old 07-07-2011, 15:52
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Look, it seems evident that you know the girl but on DS folks tend to be a bit more subtle..
With respect, you display all the subtlety of a brick!

No I don't know her, more's the pity, she's a very impressive young lady.
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Old 07-07-2011, 15:55
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With respect, you display all the subtlety of a brick!

No I don't know her, more's the pity, she's a very impressive young lady.
How is she impressive?

She has been useless on the apprentice and has shown arrogance and a ineptitude at team playing.
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Old 07-07-2011, 16:00
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You're making serious acccusations. Where's your evidence?

If you have none I suggest you stop before you get yourself in a lot of trouble. Don't think that because you're on the internet that your comments are anonymous or untraceable.
what serious accusations? Looks like nothing more than speculation to me - dont think we need to be getting the police involved quite yet....just a tad extreme.
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Old 07-07-2011, 16:03
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what serious accusations? Looks like nothing more than speculation to me - dont think we need to be getting the police involved quite yet....just a tad extreme.
if we did I think they would be far more interested in melodys claims in order to gain £250k investment...
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Old 07-07-2011, 16:08
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what serious accusations? Looks like nothing more than speculation to me - dont think we need to be getting the police involved quite yet....just a tad extreme.
The following is libellous:

"She was lying. I suspect she has a wealthy family who "sponsor" her fake business"

And it's not the only comment of its sort that's been made.
That sort of unproven comment could harm an individual's or comany's reputation and livelihood. LAS has and does threaten people with legal action for making these sorts of statements.
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Old 07-07-2011, 16:10
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How is she impressive?

She has been useless on the apprentice and has shown arrogance and a ineptitude at team playing.
Did LAS think she was useless? Get some perspective and try to see through the hate.

I've wasted enough time on you this afternoon - Zoltan, you're fired!
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Old 07-07-2011, 16:12
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Did LAS think she was useless? Get some perspective and try to see through the hate.

I've wasted enough time on you this afternoon - Zoltan, you're fired!
Are you the owner of the Cafe of Shame?
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Old 07-07-2011, 16:20
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You have no idea what she earns yet you state that your friend(s) earn a fraction of what she earns? Some facts would be nice, not just your assumptions.

And all this because she didn't reply to your email?
No, this is unrelated to the e-mail. I then mentioned my friends who are volunteers for various helplines and work part-time. Volunteers, by definition, earn nothing. It is safe to say that even the part-time workers would be earning less than someone who runs a profit-driven enterprise.
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Old 07-07-2011, 16:24
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No, this is unrelated to the e-mail. I then mentioned my friends who are volunteers for various helplines and work part-time. Volunteers, by definition, earn nothing. It is safe to say that even the part-time workers would be earning less than someone who runs a profit-driven enterprise.
Have to agree with cherry-choc
This is a poorly paid area and not one that is generally coverted by people in glamorous suits and bling.
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Old 07-07-2011, 16:27
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No, this is unrelated to the e-mail. I then mentioned my friends who are volunteers for various helplines and work part-time. Volunteers, by definition, earn nothing. It is safe to say that even the part-time workers would be earning less than someone who runs a profit-driven enterprise.
I've worked for a big charity (Barnardos) and I can tell you that the philosophy there was that if you want good people you need to pay them good salaries. Of course, volunteers are generally unpaid or not much better, but to run a charitable service successfully requires professional people which means professional training and consultancy, which seems to be what Melody provides.
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Old 07-07-2011, 16:28
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I've worked for a big charity (Barnardos) and I can tell you that the philosophy there was that if you want good people you need to pay them good salaries. Of course, volunteers are generally unpaid or not much better, but to run a charitable service successfully requires professional people which means professional training and consultancy, which seems to be what Melody provides.
So she now trains people to work for charities?

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Old 07-07-2011, 16:30
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Like I said, if she was offering these skills to adults in the business world (for profit), that would be one thing. But young people? Hmm...

If you want to see a good example of charitable initiatives in this area, look up the Muslim Youth Helpline on the Internet.
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Old 07-07-2011, 16:34
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I've worked for a big charity (Barnardos) and I can tell you that the philosophy there was that if you want good people you need to pay them good salaries. Of course, volunteers are generally unpaid or not much better, but to run a charitable service successfully requires professional people which means professional training and consultancy, which seems to be what Melody provides.
That's still different to the organisation ACTIVELY SEEKING to make a profit ITSELF. Most charities I know in this area are working ridiculously hard just to get grants for core funding.
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