[guysie]

Sorry if this has been asked many times before, i currently have sky+ HD and im now moving house, BT called me on Friday offering me and all in package with broadband, phone and TV for 3 months at £45 and then 52.50 (i think) for the remaining contract. The woman said id get sky sports 1&2 plus all the sky channels for this and they are broadcast in HD, im not sure how much i beleive her regarding this. Is this a good package vs Sky or am i best to stick where i am?

[stewM]

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Originally Posted by guysie

Sorry if this has been asked many times before, i currently have sky+ HD and im now moving house, BT called me on Friday offering me and all in package with broadband, phone and TV for 3 months at £45 and then 52.50 (i think) for the remaining contract. The woman said id get sky sports 1&2 plus all the sky channels for this and they are broadcast in HD, im not sure how much i beleive her regarding this. Is this a good package vs Sky or am i best to stick where i am?

Guysie, she is talking porkies! Vision has Sky Sports 1 & 2 (with no interactive), with ESPN (limited broadcasts) - all transmitted in SD.

The only other broadcast SKY channels is Pick TV 1 and PICK TV 1 + 1.

Some Video on Demand will be programmes shown previously on SKY.

HD Transmissions are supposed to be coming to Vision but well into 2012.

HD is available only on films, which are dowloaded. These can normally be watched within 5 minutes of starting a download.

Stew

[guysie]

I knew it, little fibber.. I've also had a deal through from virgin but with do much out there at the moment I'm not sure if to switch or stick, what do you rekon? Is virgin hd better than sky?

[stewM]

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Originally Posted by guysie

I knew it, little fibber.. I've also had a deal through from virgin but with do much out there at the moment I'm not sure if to switch or stick, what do you rekon? Is virgin hd better than sky?

Guysie, I have had SKY, but some 5 years + ago, never had Virgin so can't really comment.

I am impressed with their TiVO advert though - but alas do not live in a cabled area.

If Sport, HD, or choice of channels is a priority then its either SKY or Virgin.

[MostynDS]

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Originally Posted by guysie

I knew it, little fibber.. I've also had a deal through from virgin but with do much out there at the moment I'm not sure if to switch or stick, what do you rekon? Is virgin hd better than sky?

Virgin HD isn't better than Sky in that there is less choice. However, given the choice (which I'm lucky enough to have) I chose VM.

I think that if you want the best possible TV and good broadband, you choose Sky. If you want the best Broadband and good TV, you choose VM.

As you're a Sky Sports subscriber it's worth noting that VM offers SS1 & 2 in HD, but SS3, 4 and News are SD only at the moment. You do, however get ESPN & Eurosport HD.

I've had all 3 platforms in recent years, but returned to VM the moment I was able and am unlikely to move again but, as I said, I quite understand when people prefer Sky.

As for BT Vision, it's a little VOD add-on for Freeview that costs little and offers little. Not to be compared with the premium platforms.

[guysie]

Im surprised this woman can get away with selling BT Vision+ as HD, oh well looks like i'll be staying with Sky, definetly going to check out Virgins packages though as keep getting loads of leaflets through the door with deals and most of them look pretty good.

[MP34L1fe]

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Originally Posted by MostynDS

Virgin HD isn't better than Sky in that there is less choice. However, given the choice (which I'm lucky enough to have) I chose VM.

I think that if you want the best possible TV and good broadband, you choose Sky. If you want the best Broadband and good TV, you choose VM.

As you're a Sky Sports subscriber it's worth noting that VM offers SS1 & 2 in HD, but SS3, 4 and News are SD only at the moment. You do, however get ESPN & Eurosport HD.

I've had all 3 platforms in recent years, but returned to VM the moment I was able and am unlikely to move again but, as I said, I quite understand when people prefer Sky.

As for BT Vision, it's a little VOD add-on for Freeview that costs little and offers little. Not to be compared with the premium platforms.

Its A VOD add on for Freeview that adds alot not a littke (Mostyn doesn't like BTV and is determined no one else should)

[spendleb]

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Originally Posted by MP34L1fe

Its A VOD add on for Freeview that adds alot not a littke (Mostyn doesn't like BTV and is determined no one else should)

I totally agree, don't be put off BT Vision, it's great

[MostynDS]

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Originally Posted by MP34L1fe

Its A VOD add on for Freeview that adds alot not a littke (Mostyn doesn't like BTV and is determined no one else should)

I'm not determined that nobody else should like BT Vision at all, I simply want to inform them of what you get.

When I took BTV I was unable to have a dish and (thought) I couldn't get cable. I read BTs website from end to end and researched long and hard to find out what content it offered.

As has been noted endlessly over the years on this forum, it is very difficult to extract from BTs site, any information on what is actually on Vision apart from a couple of this months highlights.

When I got it, I found there was little on there to interest me that I hadn't previously seen on VM / Sky. What there was, I watched within the first few weeks, on several occasions finding that vital episodes were missing.

Having come over from VMs VOD offering, I was frustrated at the lack of regular updates (though these days VM seem to be as lethargic as BT, I think they've lost interest in VOD) so quickly my BTV box became nothing more than a Freeview PVR that I was paying an monthly rental for.

...until it broke down. What a miserable experience that was. To cut a (very) long story short, after all but giving up, I finally got some help from BT support people lurking here. Three months later! In fairness they arranged a refund for the time it was inoperable, so at least I only had to pay for 3/4 of my year with BT. Needless to say, when it was up and running again, there was little new to watch on it that wasn't incomplete.

When my year was up, I left BT like a shot (I discovered that cable was available to me after all - Doh!), needless to say, they continued to take money from my bank and tried to charge for the box, even though I'd returned it etc. etc. Usual BT stuff.

So you're right, I'm not too keen, but I do realise that other people have lower demands than me or have less choice available to them. I just think that it's important to put an internal point of view in front of them so that they can make an informed decision. They can get the 'BT Vision is great' stuff from the BT website.

[Pure Genius]

As someone who has had Sky Broadband and now has BT Infinity and has both BT Vision and Sky HD, I feel uniquely qualified on this subject.

Mostyn's comment are thoughtful and the most accurate on the site.

Having seen VM in action, I too would choose it over the other 2.

If TV is most important get Sky, its beyond compare.

BT Vision as it is is not really a chargeable service, only the 'free' ESPN lets them get away with freeview on demand.

[MostynDS]

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Originally Posted by Pure Genius

As someone who has had Sky Broadband and now has BT Infinity and has both BT Vision and Sky HD, I feel uniquely qualified on this subject.

Mostyn's comment are thoughtful and the most accurate on the site.

Having seen VM in action, I too would choose it over the other 2.

If TV is most important get Sky, its beyond compare.

BT Vision as it is is not really a chargeable service, only the 'free' ESPN lets them get away with freeview on demand.

Funny you should say that. I used to try to convince myself that if I took the cost of ESPN (£11) from the cost of my Bronze pack (£18 IIRC at the time) then I was only paying £7 for all of that VOD content. Then I realised there wasn't what I felt was £7 worth of content each month either.

Why someone feels the need to spout forth that "I don't like Vision" is beyond me. I'm sure the OP is able to decide that for themselves from my comments.

Once again, people need to understand that my opinions (for that is all they are) are equally as valid as theirs. They are not devalued because I don't like Vision any more than theirs are because they do.

And for the record, I respect anyones opinion that Vision is a good service. I'm pleased they enjoy it. I'm just concerned that people hear a balanced set of opinions before making a decision so that they don't end up paying out for something they don't use like I did.

This is after all, an open forum, not a Vision love-in.

[MP34L1fe]

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Originally Posted by MostynDS

Funny you should say that. I used to try to convince myself that if I took the cost of ESPN (£11) from the cost of my Bronze pack (£18 IIRC at the time) then I was only paying £7 for all of that VOD content. Then I realised there wasn't what I felt was £7 worth of content each month either.

Why someone feels the need to spout forth that "I don't like Vision" is beyond me. I'm sure the OP is able to decide that for themselves from my comments.

Once again, people need to understand that my opinions (for that is all they are) are equally as valid as theirs. They are not devalued because I don't like Vision any more than theirs are because they do.

And for the record, I respect anyones opinion that Vision is a good service. I'm pleased they enjoy it. I'm just concerned that people hear a balanced set of opinions before making a decision so that they don't end up paying out for something they don't use like I did.

This is after all, an open forum, not a Vision love-in.

no its not a Vision Love in but even myself who actually likes it has already stated its bad points, yourself on the other hand all you do is have a go at the product on a constant basis and that what tends to irk people, veryone has a right to their opinion of course they do but this forum also isn't a Sky or VM love in either

[MostynDS]

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Originally Posted by MP34L1fe

no its not a Vision Love in but even myself who actually likes it has already stated its bad points, yourself on the other hand all you do is have a go at the product on a constant basis and that what tends to irk people, veryone has a right to their opinion of course they do but this forum also isn't a Sky or VM love in either

It didn't 'irk' the person I was responding to. They reacted to my opinion positively. Your accusation regarding my attitude to existing Vision customers was both inaccurate and misleading.

Kindly confine your comments to the subject of the thread rather than constantly sniping at me because I don't share the same opinion as you.

[Pure Genius]

awww, fellas can't we just get along...?

In other news I've just gone straight from watching Sky HD to BT Vision VOD....and now my eyes are bleeding.

[jonesyboy]

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Originally Posted by MP34L1fe

no its not a Vision Love in but even myself who actually likes it has already stated its bad points, yourself on the other hand all you do is have a go at the product on a constant basis and that what tends to irk people, veryone has a right to their opinion of course they do but this forum also isn't a Sky or VM love in either

Correct. The clue is in the forum description. This is its aim.

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BT Vision

For discussion of BT's new Freeview-IPTV hybrid service.

Having followed the BT VISION forum since its inception, its always been the same. People keep comparing Vision to Sky. It gets very boring:yawn: and is pointless as they are completely different platforms.

I have both and use both to fit my viewing needs.

[daznov11]

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Originally Posted by jonesyboy

Correct. The clue is in the forum description. This is its aim.
Having followed the BT VISION forum since its inception, its always been the same. People keep comparing Vision to Sky. It gets very boring:yawn: and is pointless as they are completely different platforms.

I have both and use both to fit my viewing needs.

I also have both and would agree that they're totally different. Sky is very good for its sport and first showing of films as well as the countless premiers of new TV shows. This is very good for the main television and I honestly believe that you do get value for money however BT vision fits perfectly in my bedroom. It was coming to digital switch over time and we needed a freeview box for the room. I think BT vision is a brilliant "secondary" box as it allows you to record freeview as well as catch up on shows you might have missed first time round - "The pacific" or just catch up on some good oldies like "Friends". If you go from Sky to a sole BT vision subscription then your going to be disappointed however at under £15 a month, I think it's a great service.

[MostynDS]

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Originally Posted by daznov11

I also have both and would agree that they're totally different. Sky is very good for its sport and first showing of films as well as the countless premiers of new TV shows. This is very good for the main television and I honestly believe that you do get value for money however BT vision fits perfectly in my bedroom. It was coming to digital switch over time and we needed a freeview box for the room. I think BT vision is a brilliant "secondary" box as it allows you to record freeview as well as catch up on shows you might have missed first time round - "The pacific" or just catch up on some good oldies like "Friends". If you go from Sky to a sole BT vision subscription then your going to be disappointed however at under £15 a month, I think it's a great service.

Very good post. Pretty much what I've been trying to say. OK as an add on to Freeview but disappointing for those downgrading from either of the premium services. But good value, if you want ESPN. It is what it is...

[swills]

I too have both Sky and BTV, I was tempted by the £12.50 offer, as others have said they are chalk and cheese, Sky fills your every need with TV, BTV is a good Freeview PVR, and does have a quite big selection of VOD from different companies, not just the main 5, ITV Player and 5 on demand are a bit of a let down though, BBC Iplayer recently added is quite good though, and can be useful.

Contract expires in afew months, now whether I will keep BTV or buy a Freeview PVR is still undecided !

[AndrewBurley]

I recently moved from Sky to BT and I much prefer the BT service. I found the sheer volume of channels on sky made finding something to watch far more difficult and I prefer the on demand system on BT.

Also my broadband speed has increased since moving and my ping has decreased. The unlimited wifi around the country is also a great bonus.

I just wish they wouldn't throttle p2p at peak time as much as they do.

[wwwebber]

Good post, you've just proved a very good point (and so have many others here) that moving form Sky to BTvision can be a good & positive experience.

The platform will get better especially when IPTV & streaming HD comes.

[Pure Genius]

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Originally Posted by wwwebber

Good post, you've just proved a very good point (and so have many others here) that moving form Sky to BTvision can be a good & positive experience.

The platform will get better especially when IPTV & streaming HD comes.

yep..

it can be but rarely is...

if I only had BTV I'd be desperate!

[MostynDS]

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Originally Posted by Pure Genius

yep..

it can be but rarely is...

if I only had BTV I'd be desperate!

Heh. Thinking about your post and my own experience of Vision, I think I've unearthed a new marketing campaign for BT...

"Vision - Re-inventing the art of conversation". Snappy eh?

Or maybe they could attack the growing worries about child obesity: "Vision - There's nothing to see here"

Who's the Pure Genius now then?

[Pure Genius]

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Originally Posted by MostynDS

Heh. Thinking about your post and my own experience of Vision, I think I've unearthed a new marketing campaign for BT...

"Vision - Re-inventing the art of conversation". Snappy eh?

Or maybe they could attack the growing worries about child obesity: "Vision - There's nothing to see here"

Who's the Pure Genius now then?

like it...

you could even target it to parents with kids who should really be leaving home..20+

'Struggling with strays - give them a reason to leave'

'Vision - it isn't what it says on the tin..'