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Jim sly as a fox.....
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jules1000
13-07-2011
Would'nt trust him an inch..

I have never witnessed a candidate so quick to put the blame for his own mistakes and incompetence onto another with sheer ease.

Some may see this as clever but I don't and I really don't think SAS would pick him as he has shown himself to have zero loyalty towards anyone he works with.

He dos'nt take ANY responsibilty for his own actions unless of course they are to his benefit.
geraldinemaria
14-07-2011
Inclined to agree. I see some sort of psycopathic tendancies with Jim though maybe it's the mad staring eyes that encourage that. Despite that I do actually like him and do think he is astonishingly clever. However I really cannot see LS hiring him. Who would dare!
Jamsey123
14-07-2011
Have you ever seen the apprentice before, every single candidate does that.
jules1000
14-07-2011
Originally Posted by Jamsey123:
“Have you ever seen the apprentice before, every single candidate does that.”

Of course I have all of them and TA USA, but Jim simply refuses to shoulder any blame for anything and is quick to be very personal and dive straight in to whoever he is with and No I don't think I have ever witnessed anyone quite like this and actually I think it will be his downfall.

Obviously they are there to win but he comes across like he would sell his granny for a piece of the pie and to me lacks integrity which is very apparent.
DUNDEEBOY
14-07-2011
One of Natashas few successes was that she had Jim sussed really early on but no else bought into it.

If they had Jim may have went a long time ago
Alijon
14-07-2011
Jim can sell, no doubt, and he keeps going on about that, but he's not actually led a team to a win, and his vague grasp of realities - Harry Potter stars to sell biscuits? and his incompetence with numbers this week, is embarrassing. I think he's so used to pulling the wool over his shortcomings that he ends up fooling himself about what's actually going on with his projects.
jules1000
14-07-2011
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“One of Natashas few successes was that she had Jim sussed really early on but no else bought into it.

If they had Jim may have went a long time ago”

Actually I think they are going to use Jim as a scapegoat for Sunday and feed him to the sharks, similar to S.Baggs of last year.

SAS would'nt of liked him saying that he owed them money for the takeway food in front of everyone. I bet he secretly thought you cheeky B*gger
geraldinemaria
14-07-2011
Originally Posted by Jamsey123:
“Have you ever seen the apprentice before, every single candidate does that.”

No. Has it been on before?
Darcyprincess
14-07-2011
Originally Posted by jules1000:
“Would'nt trust him an inch..

I have never witnessed a candidate so quick to put the blame for his own mistakes and incompetence onto another with sheer ease.

Some may see this as clever but I don't and I really don't think SAS would pick him as he has shown himself to have zero loyalty towards anyone he works with.

He dos'nt take ANY responsibilty for his own actions unless of course they are to his benefit.”

Yes, although I dont actually dislike Jim, I dont like the fact that he blames everybody else and he has messed up so many times I am shocked that he is still there, especially as Sir Alan has seen through his sly antics right at the beginning! I think that Jim is a good salesman but I dont think that he is overly clever at all! He is the last person that I could see Sir Alan going into a partnership with because he has no loyalty to anybody!
doormouse1
14-07-2011
I think SAS sees Jim as a 'wide boy' and recognises himself at a younger age there.

In previous series he has been reluctant to fire young men whom he states 'remind me of myself at your age.'

I can't abide Jim, personally. He messes up, then isn't man enough to admit to his mistakes and instead tries to shift the blame onto others. Spineless.

At the very least this makes him a dishonourable man, and not the sort of man I'd like as a business partner - he'd shaft you as soon as things looked a little dodgy, and walk off scott-free.
Rutakateki
14-07-2011
I don't dislike Jim, but I think he's a bit of a snake, especially in the boardroom.

One thing that naffed me off in last night's episode was when he was reading out the customer comments. "Crazy waitress" he sez, while Susan is in earshot. Now, did you really need to read that out loud, or were you just point-scoring? In my opinion, a true gentleman would have kept that to himself. There was no need to air a personal jibe from an anonymous and fed-up customer.
Argent118
14-07-2011
Does Jim remind anyone else of the Reverend Ian Paisley with a charm implant?
Miles_T
14-07-2011
Typical salesman - self absorbed, blinkered and full of BS

He is a hard worker and gets on with it though, but other than selling not much business skills there.
AssistedAction
14-07-2011
I didn't know whether to laugh or throw something at the screen last night when, firstly, Jim threw up the excuse that he didn't know what was going on front of house because he was in the kitchen when he has thrown not being aware of what was going on in the task in the face of any previous PM he has had Boardroom confrontations with, regardless of the fact that they had far bigger teams to manage and not just another two people, and secondly, saying that Natasha should have put herself forward as PM due to her degree after he put himself forward before anyone else could get a word in edgeways and then said on camera that he wouldn't have taken no for an answer if either of the girls had suggested that they should be PM.

If he's been kept in for any other reason than to be pulled up on his BS at interview, I will eat at Macdonalds.
haphash
14-07-2011
I'm glad he's got to the final but I think he will be the first one to be fired.
Cherry-choc
14-07-2011
Jim has always been my favourite... Charismatic, driven and a natural salesman and negotiator. Not the most straightforward person, but oh well...
maidinscotland
14-07-2011
What stood out for me last night was the way he shot Suzie down when they were heading home in the taxi and she said 'what goes on in the boardroom, stays in the boardroom' and he said 'No, you smelled blood and went in for the kill!'.

She didn't hold it against him when he was 'going in for the kill' a couple of weeks back saying that the 'meek little mouse should be fired'!

Seems he can dish it out but can't take it.
Cherrybomber
14-07-2011
Originally Posted by Cherry-choc:
“Jim has always been my favourite... Charismatic, driven and a natural salesman and negotiator. Not the most straightforward person, but oh well...”

What is this about him being a good salesman?
He can flog tat to daft old women in the market yes, but he hasn't been good anywhere else.
Unless you are counting Asda, which would be ridiculous. His claims were ludicrous and if he had really used that daft america expression 'go big or go home' they would have been offended.
You must remember that Asda knew they were on TA and were using it as a bit of publicity. Thats what i think anyway.
Cherrybomber
14-07-2011
Originally Posted by maidinscotland:
“What stood out for me last night was the way he shot Suzie down when they were heading home in the taxi and she said 'what goes on in the boardroom, stays in the boardroom' and he said 'No, you smelled blood and went in for the kill!'.

She didn't hold it against him when he was 'going in for the kill' a couple of weeks back saying that the 'meek little mouse should be fired'!

Seems he can dish it out but can't take it.”

Two weeks running Susan has been very mature when buttonholed by her colleagues,
The week before when Natasha blamed her back at the house and she calmly walked away and last night when she handled Jim with professionalism.
I think he is most scared of her in this process, he cant charm her (unlike that dippy lot Helen, Melody and Zoe) and he cant intimidate her.
fredheid123
14-07-2011
Originally Posted by Argent118:
“Does Jim remind anyone else of the Reverend Ian Paisley with a charm implant?”

No he reminds me of James Nesbitt and he's done OK
fredheid123
14-07-2011
Originally Posted by Miles_T:
“Typical salesman - self absorbed, blinkered and full of BS

He is a hard worker and gets on with it though, but other than selling not much business skills there.”

That is all Lord Sugar did ... selling ..... and look at him now, he also started trading in a market .. people seem to forget he had no business skills either.
BatmanLaBatman
14-07-2011
Originally Posted by AssistedAction:
“I didn't know whether to laugh or throw something at the screen last night when, firstly, Jim threw up the excuse that he didn't know what was going on front of house because he was in the kitchen when he has thrown not being aware of what was going on in the task in the face of any previous PM he has had Boardroom confrontations with, regardless of the fact that they had far bigger teams to manage and not just another two people, and secondly, saying that Natasha should have put herself forward as PM due to her degree after he put himself forward before anyone else could get a word in edgeways and then said on camera that he wouldn't have taken no for an answer if either of the girls had suggested that they should be PM.

If he's been kept in for any other reason than to be pulled up on his BS at interview, I will eat at Macdonalds.”

I agree with all of the above ...................... except that you wouldn't catch me eating at Mcdonalds even if Jim won

Originally Posted by maidinscotland:
“What stood out for me last night was the way he shot Suzie down when they were heading home in the taxi and she said 'what goes on in the boardroom, stays in the boardroom' and he said 'No, you smelled blood and went in for the kill!'.

She didn't hold it against him when he was 'going in for the kill' a couple of weeks back saying that the 'meek little mouse should be fired'!

Seems he can dish it out but can't take it.”

Making others feel bad in order to feel better about himself is just another of the many traits he has of someone with little confidence in their own ability.

Originally Posted by fredheid123:
“That is all Lord Sugar did ... selling ..... and look at him now, he also started trading in a market .. people seem to forget he had no business skills either.”

Clearly he has or he wouldn't have got to where he has. Not having formal training in something doesn't mean you don't have skills in that area, just like having a degree in something doesn't make you an expert (far from it).
fredheid123
14-07-2011
Originally Posted by BatmanLaBatman:
“I agree with all of the above ...................... except that you wouldn't catch me eating at Mcdonalds even if Jim won



Making others feel bad in order to feel better about himself is just another of the many traits he has of someone with little confidence in their own ability.



Clearly he has or he wouldn't have got to where he has. Not having formal training in something doesn't mean you don't have skills in that area, just like having a degree in something doesn't make you an expert (far from it).”

He will not have had any formal training when he started he would have gained his training with time and gained experience, his forte was selling and he admits that and has said it often enough in the boardroom and that is why he is not into the far fetched stories a lot of the candidates have stated in this and previous series about all their skills, businesses and money they have made, he can see straight through them and knows it takes more than that, it takes years and years of hard work and something nothing can buy and thats common sense
brangdon
14-07-2011
Originally Posted by doormouse1:
“I think SAS sees Jim as a 'wide boy' and recognises himself at a younger age there.”

Except that Jim never started his own company. He's not at all canny in a business way. I don't think Lord Sugar has ever said that Jim was a younger version of himself.
fredheid123
14-07-2011
Originally Posted by brangdon:
“Except that Jim never started his own company. He's not at all canny in a business way. I don't think Lord Sugar has ever said that Jim was a younger version of himself.”

It is a total different ball game now, Lord Sugar started out selling car aerials out of a car he bought for £100, which he had earned from boiling beetroot and selling it, lived in a run down council house, no degrees, no high pressure selling, no targets to achieve, today it is totally different and yes maybe he does see Jim in him a little.
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