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Carlisle156
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by aliyah101:
“Carlisle, in all honesty, we were really disappointed when you wanted to "quit" so I'm glad to see you're apologetic over it, but do you see how it still may look bad? I.e. the reason why Lord Sugar placed you in the top 2 was because of your determination in the interview process but you completely lost that spark during the early moments in this task?”

Yeah, I totally see how it reflects so badly towards me!

I was in the wrong and was actually in my own words being very very foolish!

The problem was that it all just came at once. It's no surprise that Pothuthic, Batman & myself have been 'friendly' with eachother in the past and at the time the task was announced, EVERYTHING was stacked up against me. I felt really upset because after all of the hard work, all of the time (hours that add up to days) I have spent ensuring I win as many tasks as is possible just seemed to have gone to waste. I was angry & upset and unfortunately they are not two good emotions to fuse!
Carlisle156
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by pothuthic:
“Sorry to interupt but just to say I did not recieve 1 PM or MSN Message from Carlisle...”

That is an ABSOLUTE lie!! I was in a chat with Seth (batman) and he invited you. I said hi and Seth explained some things to you and you left immediately.

I don't appreciate your slanderous lies.


Edit: If you ask Batman. he will tell you that he did invite Pothuthic to a group chat which he then immediately left, proving my previous point that Pothuthic is unreliable and a huge idiot, to be quite honest.
r0ry101
15-07-2011
You had a lot stacked against you, but I have to note I don't know if it's fair to criticie Tyjet when you didn't have him on your team anyways, I was only OK with him helping as you had no one bascailyl Carlisle; but considering he was originally not wanting to be involved I don't think it's fair to criticize him if he didn't have to help in the first place...
anactoria
15-07-2011
Whilst I recognise that Carlisle was disadvantaged by his team, I would just like to point something out. Yes, I had an excellent team behind me for this task, and I'm incredibly grateful to both Robbie and Gav for the time they've spent working on it. However, I would like to emphasise that I deliberately took responsibility for the bulk of the task, and particularly the writing parts. I wanted to demonstrate my skills as much as possible, rather than relying on my team to win the task for me.

Robbie and Gav were incredibly helpful in the brainstorming sessions, and they each contributed a fantastic article (on top of this, Gav came up with the name, and made the front cover that we decided to go with), but I wrote the introductory/target market post, the post about the NOTW scandal, the list of the columns and features, the op-ed article, and the final evaluation/pitch. I also created two (admittedly not great) 'first draft' front covers, and I came up with the main concept for the paper. I won't pretend that Gav and Robbie didn't contribute brilliantly during this task, because they did, but I will state confidently that even if I had been left alone, the final product would still have eclipsed Carlisle's.
r0ry101
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by Carlisle156:
“That is an ABSOLUTE lie!! I was in a chat with Seth (batman) and he invited you. I said hi and Seth explained some things to you and you left immediately.

I don't appreciate your slanderous lies.


Edit: If you ask Batman. he will tell you that he did invite Pothuthic to a group chat which he then immediately left, proving my previous point that Pothuthic is unreliable and a huge idiot, to be quite honest.”

Honestly, I've heard already that Poth was invited and didn't try at all so I'm not taking it on board...
r0ry101
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by anactoria:
“Whilst I recognise that Carlisle was disadvantaged by his team, I would just like to point something out. Yes, I had an excellent team behind me for this task, and I'm incredibly grateful to both Robbie and Gav for the time they've spent working on it. However, I would like to emphasise that I deliberately took responsibility for the bulk of the task, and particularly the writing parts. I wanted to demonstrate my skills as much as possible, rather than relying on my team to win the task for me.

Robbie and Gav were incredibly helpful in the brainstorming sessions, and they each contributed a fantastic article (on top of this, Gav came up with the name, and made the front cover that we decided to go with), but I wrote the introductory/target market post, the post about the NOTW scandal, the list of the columns and features, the op-ed article, and the final evaluation/pitch. I also created two (admittedly not great) 'first draft' front covers, and I came up with the main concept for the paper. I won't pretend that Gav and Robbie didn't contribute brilliantly during this task, because they did, but I will state confidently that even if I had been left alone, the final product would still have eclipsed Carlisle's.”

That was something I was going to address with you Ana; Carlisle did have a disadvntage it seems; so I'd like to know; had you had his team, would you have done anything differently in terms of trying to get help or gone alone with the task?
aliyah101
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by pothuthic:
“Sorry to interupt but just to say I did not recieve 1 PM or MSN Message from Carlisle...”

Pothutic, I heard that you didnt help Carlisle at all in this task? Thats quite disappointing Poth seeing as though you seemed to be eager to come back....

Ah anyway, good luck all with the rest of the boardroom, ive sent my verdict to Rory. xx
Carlisle156
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by r0ry101:
“You had a lot stacked against you, but I have to note I don't know if it's fair to criticie Tyjet when you didn't have him on your team anyways, I was only OK with him helping as you had no one bascailyl Carlisle; but considering he was originally not wanting to be involved I don't think it's fair to criticize him if he didn't have to help in the first place...”

I'm very thankful for him volunteering to help me. I don't want to criticize him for the sake of criticizing him, I just do feel as if the 'How do I write an article?' really shows that, although he is a strong candidate, he didn't really give me anything that I needed. I think it should also be noted that he continuously asked me if I was about to post my part, and as soon as I did he commented in Anactoria's team thread with a 'This is fantastic' or similar comment.

Originally Posted by anactoria:
“Whilst I recognise that Carlisle was disadvantaged by his team, I would just like to point something out. Yes, I had an excellent team behind me for this task, and I'm incredibly grateful to both Robbie and Gav for the time they've spent working on it. However, I would like to emphasise that I deliberately took responsibility for the bulk of the task, and particularly the writing parts. I wanted to demonstrate my skills as much as possible, rather than relying on my team to win the task for me.

Robbie and Gav were incredibly helpful in the brainstorming sessions, and they each contributed a fantastic article (on top of this, Gav came up with the name, and made the front cover that we decided to go with), but I wrote the introductory/target market post, the post about the NOTW scandal, the list of the columns and features, the op-ed article, and the final evaluation/pitch. I also created two (admittedly not great) 'first draft' front covers, and I came up with the main concept for the paper. I won't pretend that Gav and Robbie didn't contribute brilliantly during this task, because they did, but I will state confidently that even if I had been left alone, the final product would still have eclipsed Carlisle's.”

I hate to be technical, but that is very much a 'what if'. You have no way of proving that, at all. So I think it's extremely ridiculous to bring up a "what if" in this context!
anactoria
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by r0ry101:
“That was something I was going to address with you Ana; Carlisle did have a disadvntage it seems; so I'd like to know; had you had his team, would you have done anything differently in terms of trying to get help or gone alone with the task?”

Yes, I would have done things differently, especially to start with. I would have immediately contacted Mary, Seth, and Poth (as I did with my own team), rather than giving up before even asking them for help. I would have organised a time to brainstorm, and I would have jumped straight into it, delegating things to be done by the next evening (so that if they weren't done, I would have had time to take over and do them myself).

And, yes, if things had gone badly - as I understand they did with Carlisle's team - then yes, I would have done the work myself. I think I've demonstrated that I can take on large amounts of responsibility alone, and whilst I believe that I work best in a team (and that I'm excellent at teambuilding), I would never attempt to give up because things weren't going to plan.
Carlisle156
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by anactoria:
“Yes, I would have done things differently, especially to start with. I would have immediately contacted Mary, Seth, and Poth (as I did with my own team), rather than giving up before even asking them for help. I would have organised a time to brainstorm, and I would have jumped straight into it, delegating things to be done by the next evening (so that if they weren't done, I would have had time to take over and do them myself).”

I did actually organise a time for brainstorming on the Tuesday. All of my team were aware of this. I sent out pm's on Monday night asking when people would be around and specifying that around 4-5 would be best.

Unfortunately, due to unforeseen circumstances I was slightly late to the session, but Tuesday was the only time I had any input from any of my fellow team members.
anactoria
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by Carlisle156:
“I hate to be technical, but that is very much a 'what if'. You have no way of proving that, at all. So I think it's extremely ridiculous to bring up a "what if" in this context!”

Actually, I was basing it on the amount of work I took responsibility for in this task - even though my teammates were fantastic, I still produced the bulk of the writing, including a sample article and a draft front cover, neither of which you produced by yourself.
r0ry101
15-07-2011
With everything that's been said; I will still admit you both did well although, as I have already made it known, there were a couple of problems I had with both teams. You both seem very confident that you did a better job in this task; but I want to expand this to overall in this process; taking into account everything, have you performed better than your opponent?
Carlisle156
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by r0ry101:
“With everything that's been said; I will still admit you both did well although, as I have already made it known, there were a couple of problems I had with both teams. You both seem very confident that you did a better job in this task; but I want to expand this to overall in this process; taking into account everything, have you performed better than your opponent?”

If I am going to be honest, I would actually say that Anactoria did a better job in this task. I have never outright lied in front of you, Lord Sugar and I don't want to say I feel as if I did a better job in this task.

I do feel as if I put in more effort, as an English Literature student, I do feel as if the task was really accustomed to Anactoria and she did shine with it, however I don't think that held me back too much. I put in perhaps more effort than she did and this reflects the amount of effort I have put in over the entire series.

I don't want to get slated for saying that Anactoria's pitch was better in the final, because yeah it was. However her concept was massively wrong - in my opinion, and I do think that if I had six hands doing the work I would have surpassed her spectacularly.

I have consistently been strong and have never really had a bad thing said about me, other than perhaps Tyjet in the interviews who seemed to be out to get me! (For whatever reason ) I have shown I am a strong candidate throughout the process and have successfully managed a team twice, even if one was a very close loss. If we are taking in to account everything then I should definitely be chosen to win.
anactoria
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by r0ry101:
“With everything that's been said; I will still admit you both did well although, as I have already made it known, there were a couple of problems I had with both teams. You both seem very confident that you did a better job in this task; but I want to expand this to overall in this process; taking into account everything, have you performed better than your opponent?”

Yes. As far as I'm concerned, I have been an extremely strong candidate from Day One - I have been a primary contributor to each and every task, and I have never once attempted to give up, even when the odds were massively stacked against me. I have met every single deadline, consistently producing work of outstanding quality, and I have been a standout contributor in every single task.

I am smart as hell, resourceful, and full of creative energy - I've come up with idea after idea throughout this process, from the Glitz and Ritz concept in the first task to much of Florrie's marketing campaign in the third, culminating in my concept for The Notion in this task (which I maintain is an excellent, original concept). I have been organised, practical, and an excellent PM (when I got the chance), and through my hard work and creativity, I think I've shown just how much I want to be here, and how much I want to win this.
Carlisle156
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by anactoria:
“Yes. As far as I'm concerned, I have been an extremely strong candidate from Day One - I have been a primary contributor to each and every task, and I have never once attempted to give up, even when the odds were massively stacked against me. I have met every single deadline, consistently producing work of outstanding quality, and I have been a standout contributor in every single task.

I am smart as hell, resourceful, and full of creative energy - I've come up with idea after idea throughout this process, from the Glitz and Ritz concept in the first task to much of Florrie's marketing campaign in the third, culminating in my concept for The Notion in this task (which I maintain is an excellent, original concept). I have been organised, practical, and an excellent PM (when I got the chance), and through my hard work and creativity, I think I've shown just how much I want to be here, and how much I want to win this.”

I would just like to say that although yes, you did come up with the roleplay idea. It was very much buried under the carpet in our team discussion up until I really pushed it forwards (alongside you) so you can't take all of the credit for us going with that concept!
r0ry101
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by Carlisle156:
“If I am going to be honest, I would actually say that Anactoria did a better job in this task. I have never outright lied in front of you, Lord Sugar and I don't want to say I feel as if I did a better job in this task.

I do feel as if I put in more effort, as an English Literature student, I do feel as if the task was really accustomed to Anactoria and she did shine with it, however I don't think that held me back too much. I put in perhaps more effort than she did and this reflects the amount of effort I have put in over the entire series.

I don't want to get slated for saying that Anactoria's pitch was better in the final, because yeah it was. However her concept was massively wrong - in my opinion, and I do think that if I had six hands doing the work I would have surpassed her spectacularly.

I have consistently been strong and have never really had a bad thing said about me, other than perhaps Tyjet in the interviews who seemed to be out to get me! (For whatever reason ) I have shown I am a strong candidate throughout the process and have successfully managed a team twice, even if one was a very close loss. If we are taking in to account everything then I should definitely be chosen to win.”

I do admire honesty that you admit it, are you saying your was better but you didn't have the manpower to finish it off?
r0ry101
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by anactoria:
“Yes. As far as I'm concerned, I have been an extremely strong candidate from Day One - I have been a primary contributor to each and every task, and I have never once attempted to give up, even when the odds were massively stacked against me. I have met every single deadline, consistently producing work of outstanding quality, and I have been a standout contributor in every single task.

I am smart as hell, resourceful, and full of creative energy - I've come up with idea after idea throughout this process, from the Glitz and Ritz concept in the first task to much of Florrie's marketing campaign in the third, culminating in my concept for The Notion in this task (which I maintain is an excellent, original concept). I have been organised, practical, and an excellent PM (when I got the chance), and through my hard work and creativity, I think I've shown just how much I want to be here, and how much I want to win this.”

How do you feel about Carlisle saying you were off with your concept?
anactoria
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by Carlisle156:
“I would just like to say that although yes, you did come up with the roleplay idea. It was very much buried under the carpet in our team discussion up until I really pushed it forwards (alongside you) so you can't take all of the credit for us going with that concept!”

Excuse me? I didn't take 'all the credit for us going forward with that concept'. I took the credit for coming up with it, which I did.

And, by the way, you didn't put more effort in than me in this task.
Carlisle156
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by r0ry101:
“I do admire honesty that you admit it, are you saying your was better but you didn't have the manpower to finish it off?”

Yes. I do think our concept and the paper as a whole was so much stronger than Anactoria's, however what let theirs get better was the fact she had a team which could do everything. If Mary had written some articles and Seth done all the artwork/graphicswork I do think ours would have been superior.
anactoria
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by r0ry101:
“How do you feel about Carlisle saying you were off with your concept?”

I think that Carlisle perhaps understood the brief as a strict 'replace the NOTW with another typical tabloid' brief - at least, that's what his concept seemed to be entirely focused around. My concept was much more indepth and complex, and whilst the front cover might have seemed more magazine- than newspaper-style, I actually believe that all the features and sections would cohere to form a very strong and marketable newspaper.
anactoria
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by Carlisle156:
“Yes. I do think our concept and the paper as a whole was so much stronger than Anactoria's, however what let theirs get better was the fact she had a team which could do everything. If Mary had written some articles and Seth done all the artwork/graphicswork I do think ours would have been superior.”

But, as I've explained, my team didn't do everything. You're focusing so much on the team issues, when (as I've already stated) I took on the bulk of the responsibility.
r0ry101
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by Carlisle156:
“Yes. I do think our concept and the paper as a whole was so much stronger than Anactoria's, however what let theirs get better was the fact she had a team which could do everything. If Mary had written some articles and Seth done all the artwork/graphicswork I do think ours would have been superior.”

There does seem to be a hint that you are focusing on Ana being better in this task, but have you been throughout the entire competition in your opinion?
Carlisle156
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by anactoria:
“Excuse me? I didn't take 'all the credit for us going forward with that concept'. I took the credit for coming up with it, which I did.

And, by the way, you didn't put more effort in than me in this task.”

You used it as one of the few examples of you doing brilliantly, so of course I was going to jump on it. I don't believe you came up with it at all, actually? Wasn't it Gav's idea to base it around a hotel? The only thing you came up with was the roleplay concept.

And I feel as if week 1 you were far too passive. I won't deny you did brilliantly because yeah, you did. However I feel as if everyone was very strong on our team for that one, so I don't see either of us as 'standouts'. We've both had our ~okay~ weeks and we have both had our ~standout~ weeks. I just feel my great weeks were both more frequent & more impressive than yours. Sorry.
Carlisle156
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by anactoria:
“But, as I've explained, my team didn't do everything. You're focusing so much on the team issues, when (as I've already stated) I took on the bulk of the responsibility.”

Are you saying that Gav didn't do the impressive looking magazine cover? Because that was one of the main area's I could not do without it looking shocking in Paint, which I believe you mentioned your first draft was?

@Rory: Yes, I do think I have been stronger throughout this competition and have definitely shown more 'want' to win.
r0ry101
15-07-2011
Originally Posted by anactoria:
“But, as I've explained, my team didn't do everything. You're focusing so much on the team issues, when (as I've already stated) I took on the bulk of the responsibility.”

Do you feel Carlisle is making a mountain out of a molehill in the sense that he is too wrapped up in the idea you had a massive advantage?
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