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Old 16-07-2011, 15:05
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I mean better off in terms of their (musical) legacy and reputation, given what they went on to do in recent years/decades.

The Stones in '78 after they'd done 'Some Girls' - their last very good album. Though it would've meant more Jagger solo albums.

Guns n Roses, before they released those overblown 'Illusion' albums. Too many dud songs, too much nonsense from Axl ('Get in the Ring', 'Back off Bitch'). The rest of GN'R could've just played the better 'Illusion' songs by Izzy, Slash and Duff with a new singer

I was originally going to call this thread 'better off' if a member of the band had died! But that sounded too morbid
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Old 16-07-2011, 15:12
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- Sugababes, they should've stopped using the name and officially split when Keisha left, and Heidi, Amelle and Jade should've chosen a new name as they are essentially a totally different group now - thats what many people have against them: still performing as if they were the same group.
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Old 16-07-2011, 15:12
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U2 should have ended years ago. It seems like they only exist now to go on huge Greatest Hits tours where they charge obscene amounts for tickets with no new material in sight. Sad really because I used to love them.

Also Coldplay but that's just because I've always hated them.
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Old 16-07-2011, 15:13
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I would also like to add Kings Of Leon and Black Eyed Peas to the list as their music has gotten worse and worse over the years.
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Old 16-07-2011, 15:34
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- Sugababes, they should've stopped using the name and officially split when Keisha left, and Heidi, Amelle and Jade should've chosen a new name as they are essentially a totally different group now - thats what many people have against them: still performing as if they were the same group.
Exactly! It's kinda OK when one member leaves, but so many people have left and new ones joined, they just arent the sugababes anymore!
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Old 16-07-2011, 16:49
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Exactly! It's kinda OK when one member leaves, but so many people have left and new ones joined, they just arent the sugababes anymore!
Oh come on, it's not like Heidi and Amelle have been there for a year or two is it..?

Heidi has been in the group for 10 years, that's longer than Mutya and Siobhan spent in the group, and has released more material than both of them put together.. compared to Keisha, Heidi is still only a year off the amount of time she spent as a Sugababes..

Amelle has been in the group for six years this year, longer than Siobhan and is on par with Mutya's time spent in the group..

Heidi definitely still deserves to be there and be called a Sugababe
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Old 16-07-2011, 16:55
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Oh come on, it's not like Heidi and Amelle have been there for a year or two is it..?

Heidi has been in the group for 10 years, that's longer than Mutya and Siobhan spent in the group, and has released more material than both of them put together.. compared to Keisha, Heidi is still only a year off the amount of time she spent as a Sugababes..

Amelle has been in the group for six years this year, longer than Siobhan and is on par with Mutya's time spent in the group..

Heidi definitely still deserves to be there and be called a Sugababe
This.

Finally someone speaking sense. I don't understand why people are objecting to the name so much. Sweet 7 wasn't great, but they sound like they're back on track with Freedom.
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Old 16-07-2011, 17:13
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Oh come on, it's not like Heidi and Amelle have been there for a year or two is it..?

Heidi has been in the group for 10 years, that's longer than Mutya and Siobhan spent in the group, and has released more material than both of them put together.. compared to Keisha, Heidi is still only a year off the amount of time she spent as a Sugababes..

Amelle has been in the group for six years this year, longer than Siobhan and is on par with Mutya's time spent in the group..

Heidi definitely still deserves to be there and be called a Sugababe
Doesn't matter IMO. Heidi to me, is a Sugababe. But there are no original members remaining, Heidi wasn't one of the founding members, Amelle has made very little impact IMO I'm surprised she's lasted so long, she's crap. Amelle has never been "a Sugababe" to me and thus I think they would have had more respect and possibly more interest if they had just dropped the "Sugababes" and recorded under a new name. Heidi did not found the Sugababes and IMO thus has no right to continue using the Sugababes name with two others who aren't original members.

They sound nothing like the old Sugababes anyway. That fresh edge and uniqueness has gone. They're just another boring, generic girl group now.

The beginning of the end of the Sugababes started when Mutya left. Siobhan (though brilliant) left early and so Heidi settled in quickly without too many people complaining about the change because they hadn't been around so long in the first place. When Mutya left we lost her distinctive voice (that epitomised Sugababes to me) and the material started to get worse IMO, and then when Keisha left we lost her distinctive voice too and that was the final nail in the coffin.

I have no problem with people liking 4.0 or whatever version we're on. But I reserve the right to my opinion. The Sugababes just sound like anybody else now, and I'm not surprised that so many have gone off them.
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Old 16-07-2011, 18:03
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The Saturdays

They peaked with their first album and have struggled since. We have seen the best of them.
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Old 16-07-2011, 18:03
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I don't think the alcoholism of Frankie has helped their cause either
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Old 16-07-2011, 21:47
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The Kinks probably should've called it a day when Ray Davies had his breakdown, and then went a bit crazy and came out with the bizarre Preservation Act records.

One part of me would say Queen, as the majority of their 1980s output was nothing compared to the brilliance of the 1970s era, however they were still invincible as a live act and they did return to form in their two albums from the 1990s.

Must admit the first thought was The Rolling Stones too, though!
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Old 16-07-2011, 21:55
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The Kinks probably should've called it a day when Ray Davies had his breakdown, and then went a bit crazy and came out with the bizarre Preservation Act records.

One part of me would say Queen, as the majority of their 1980s output was nothing compared to the brilliance of the 1970s era, however they were still invincible as a live act and they did return to form in their two albums from the 1990s.

Must admit the first thought was The Rolling Stones too, though!
you could say similar things about Oasis to what you have put about Queen. Massive in the 90s...but followed that up with a lull in the Mid-00's before the last 2 albums restored the credibility again.
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Old 16-07-2011, 21:58
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Sugababes spring to mind.

A crap band now using a good bands name to boost themselves.

I don't care how long Heidi was in the band, Siobhan, Mutya and Keisha were Sugababes, none left, no band.
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Old 16-07-2011, 23:55
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Sugababes spring to mind.

A crap band now using a good bands name to boost themselves.

I don't care how long Heidi was in the band, Siobhan, Mutya and Keisha were Sugababes, none left, no band.
I always thought the orginal sugababes were quite cool for a girl group.
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Old 17-07-2011, 00:05
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I disagree about Sugababes because I actually think they still work as a band and their music has been consistently good throughout, even their last album 'Sweet 7' was really good though it commercially under performed. The new material they have lined up also sounds really promising.

Now Westlife is a band that has definitely run out of steam, they should have called it quits about 3 years and left on a high, rather than just ploughing through.
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Old 17-07-2011, 01:57
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The sugababes were never original or "unique", i love their music, but lets face it, it was always just pop music in different forms, mutya is extremely overrated as is keisha, both amelle and jade are better singers than the two they replaced, heidi is the face of the band, without her they wouldnt have even had any big commercial success, she is the heart of the sugababes and always has been, siobhan didnt really seem to care enough about it and before heidi joined they looked like a trio of moody chavs.
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Old 17-07-2011, 04:13
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Original: http://youtu.be/6ox3KsclgGY
Current: http://youtu.be/nCXKC7AQ7-o

Current > Original

Vocals, music, looks, performance, everything.
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Old 17-07-2011, 04:41
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i just don't see the point in the sugarbabes any more. i think for what ever reason keisha left. the band should have finished with it. they had good run in their various line ups. some really great songs.

maybe they will go on and achieve great things with keisha gone, who knows. i preferred the second line up best, after i accepted that siobhan didn't want to be there. after mutya left i started to lose interest, the hits kept coming and they still were obviously successful.

i`m pleased there is support out there for them. a lot of people are fans of the new line up, which is all positive.

however, having liked them from the beginning. it just isn't what i originally subscribe to.
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Old 17-07-2011, 05:03
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Westlife should have split at least 5 years ago when they became some strange karaoke group. I don't mind groups doing covers but when that's all you do your not a real band imo.
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Old 17-07-2011, 07:58
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Old 17-07-2011, 13:50
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Original: http://youtu.be/6ox3KsclgGY
Current: http://youtu.be/nCXKC7AQ7-o

Current > Original

Vocals, music, looks, performance, everything.
Vocals disagree. Jade could compete with the first 3, Amelle sounds like an N-Dubz reject, Heidi has always just been the pretty one, not the singer.

Music, current sound like they've been passed the tracks the Saturdays rejected for a b-side.

Looks, well they're how many albums in, with how much more spent on their looks/outfits? I'd guess they have a bigger budget now. Plus looks aren't everything. If the current lot win on looks alone, then I think it proves the point.

Performance, originals not dancing around like whores > newbies dancing like whores to hide their terrible tracks.

So that's the newbies look better whilst originals win on everything else.

You forgot the most important part as well, material.

Freedom, potentially worse than Get Sexy and the worst Sugababes single yet. Overload and New Year are still classics.
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Old 17-07-2011, 23:53
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The Kinks probably should've called it a day when Ray Davies had his breakdown, and then went a bit crazy and came out with the bizarre Preservation Act records.

One part of me would say Queen, as the majority of their 1980s output was nothing compared to the brilliance of the 1970s era, however they were still invincible as a live act and they did return to form in their two albums from the 1990s.

Must admit the first thought was The Rolling Stones too, though!
I think the Kinks should've ended with Muswell Hillbillies, their final masterpiece on a high. Ray should've gone off doing some theatrical work as a breather with maybe some time doing production work whilst Dave could leap out of his shadow and do some of his own stuff. Then Ray could've started his solo career with the Sleepwalker album after he'd rejuvenated. Ray himself said if he could, he'd do it all differently.
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Old 17-07-2011, 23:56
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I wish Pink Floyd had left it there when they finished The Wall.

Depeche Mode have been pointless to me for the past 20 years.
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Old 18-07-2011, 01:23
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I think the Kinks should've ended with Muswell Hillbillies, their final masterpiece on a high. Ray should've gone off doing some theatrical work as a breather with maybe some time doing production work whilst Dave could leap out of his shadow and do some of his own stuff. Then Ray could've started his solo career with the Sleepwalker album after he'd rejuvenated. Ray himself said if he could, he'd do it all differently.
I definitely agree that Muswell Hillbillies was the final masterpiece, but I think that Everybody's In Showbiz is a fairly good album as well, so I 99% agree with you, but ELS would still exist in my ideal Kinks history!

you could say similar things about Oasis to what you have put about Queen. Massive in the 90s...but followed that up with a lull in the Mid-00's before the last 2 albums restored the credibility again.
That's true. And again, they were still pretty solid live while on a creative low.
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Old 18-07-2011, 02:00
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Take That since it would be nice to see Robbie solo again and Gary Barlow and Mark Owen to make solo records.

But Westlife to me can carry on, they still make albums cause they feel relevant and what covers there last single safe was not a cover and 4 other singles in last 5 years only Home and What About Now was covered other 2 originals written for them and the 3 albums all had original songs apart from at least 1 cover on each album.
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