Yes that turgid dross is now on 7 nights a week - candidate for the worst programme/broadcast ever to grace our screens.

STV is turning into ITV but with more crap on it than you can shake a stick at .... I wouldn't mind the programme was scrapped as the dated flyovers are past it and the amount of times they repeat the same stuff is beyond a joke ..... People complain about the BBC running the news at night on the main channel BBC 2 does provide previews ITV/STV basically gambling/nightscreen/shift (wherever you are), Ch4 provides programming at night (oh the irony!), Ch5 its gambling but services resume at 3am and just for the sake of using Sky in this .... Pick runs programming during the night and so does Challenge (yet Challenge airs full length old shows compared to what STV throw on...) so if you have Freeview the choices really are: BBC 1/2 Ch4/ Pick/Challenge, seems like ITV/STV are doing a good job of having any viewers at all at night

In general though these commercial channels need to buck up their ideas than use the "recession" as to why ... but oh look STV announce a "profit hike" yet where is the programming? Profits = more to Shareholders than viewers (they do tend to forget that they maybe on a high note for now .... but in time they will come crashing down but they forget this....)

But the point is there isnt much point paying out to air shows during the night when there is hardly any viewers

If that was the case then please do bring back the testcard, as I mentioned is then why is the likes of Channel 4 and Sky putting out programming if an audience hardly exists? The channels must get viewers as well people do work nightshifts or I will guess people would rather tune into the radio instead? The whole "commerical" channel networks need a kick up the ass as its pathetic in this "digital" age where we have more variety most channels would rather put on shoddy programming/gambling etc than invest in at that time of night. As for STV at that time of night - look at the list MrSirs has put up that STV have missed on broadcasting, your going to tell me that they can't be bothered to air these shows just for the sake of catch up but they are more than happy to air Nightshift instead? Really and this from a channel announcing profits one begs to differ! I remember under Grampian TV there was at least some programming at night and then it did close or ran into the next day but this way at the moment has became a bigger joke in broadcasting!

Im not saying what there doing is right it is lazy. As you have said Kezo they could catch up on the missing shows or they could show The Riverside show and The Fountainbridge show during the night

But then why not do it? What is preventing them doing it then? It can't be budget restraints as they keep announcing "profits" , but this is the exact picture you get with this lot is laziness in what they do - cheap programming is what they do and nothing more they need to spend and take risks

I know ITV aint any better with their own set of crap programming they still invest in ie TOWIE but both channels are scraping barrels these days and is nothing more than an embarrassment, gone are the days where "spitting image" and "londons burning" were at least programmes you enjoyed but these days both ITV/STV are becoming turn offs and no wonder people are getting bored of them but money doesn't grow on trees but there will be a downfall in the near future I reckon with both broadcasters

When you look at the nightime schedules of other channels/broadcasters it is quite pathetic that STV/ITV serve up the rubbish that they do - there's no excuse for a national broadcaster screening the turgid crap during the night If digital channels can put out half decent programmes then so can STV/ITV - especially when STV have just announced big profits - it's disgraceful

I don't see why STV can't;-

a) Show the STV Glasgow/Edinburgh schedule (as proposed by stv viewer in an earlier post) - so that's repeats of repeats but with the Riverside Show & Fountainbridge Show & Football Show etc... Surely then a prompt for viewers to perhaps tune in/record the "first run" on those channels if encouraged by the main channel repeat?

And/or -

b) Start showing these missed shows - already the list (see earlier post) has crept up to around half a dozen programmes - will they ever be shown? If (as I understand) STV pay ITV for a complete package of programmes then choose to OPT OUT of certain shows, why are they not screening shows they have already paid for?

And/or -

c) Why are OPT OUTs not repeated more often? Whilst STV might argue that those shows could be viewed on STV Player (and maybe that's why they are not shown - because they want to drive figures to STV Player in order to make it more attractive for advertisers) surely Animal 999, Moviejuice etc.. etc.. could be screened during the night.

d) How about more local programming reflective of the local communities? A sort of STV Community Channel slot featuring projects/discussion on local concerns/issues? Innovative programming produced in conjunction with local groups/organisations/Universities etc...

I suggest a mix of a + b + c + d could make the night time schedule on STV more attractive for the viewer, make STV a more credible broadcaster and coupled with a cut price package for local advertisers - financially viable. Surely that is better than the amateurish garbage (old flypasts, dated interviews etc...) that is churned out nightly by STV. It is obvious that STV are happy to meet their OFCOM obligation without any care for the viewer in terms of how the viewer perceives them as a progressive national broadcaster.

I could be wrong but I think this have already went out on STV Glasgow? They did have a show about Scottish murderers with a different case each week. Nothing groundbreaking but the best thing on STV Glasgow by a mile if it's the same show.

As for Nightshift, I caught a bit of it for the first time in a while the other night and it's still as bad as you all say! It must be somehow making money through text messages? The interviews they show are sometimes bizarre. They showed one of a new Irish girl band from about 8 years ago. Their song completely bombed so why show it now when no one remembers them? Must just have ran out of things to show and recycling anything thats on the shelf.

Not sure about that Scotland's Murders - cue Kezo and stv viewer!

Re Nightshi* - just wonder how much they really do make from those texts?! No idea how many texts are read out in 1 night - 100 + 200 + ?? At 50p a text they can't be making very much from it. I honestly think they would make more money from selling attractive low cost advertising packages to local businesses/organisations and deliver comparative audiences to go with that (nothing startling but better than NIghtshi* audiences) because they would have continuous programming (a/b/c/d above) to justify it.

Its alright they show dated interviews of Alexandra Burke on "the hour" and have ran a Danny Baker interview from an old interview show - they also show old hosts such as Kirsty Young and even Mark White (the guy we all know gets excited on Transfer Day on a channel called Sky Sports News )

As for Nightshift and income - STV I think gets some income from text messages as well as income from its £4k giveaway comps, but then also include ad revenue it gets from the main channel and STV Glasgow (they will get even more profits when they get Edinburgh started and its an IF they get locals Dundee/Aberdeen (they will get bigger profits - does no one else see this yet?) STV as a broadcaster happy to churn out cheap programming but make bigger profits - where is it actually going and where are the half decent programmes they can put out to compete with other networks?

its news to me regarding "scotlands murders" - possibly as Pop Princess has said its maybe something they done for STV Glasgow and now putting it on the main (rolls eyes)

i agree and this has bugged me since the loss of Grampian TV "locally" for me its basically news from Aberdeen and the crap "split" for Dundee news is our "local" output but nothing from the main STV has anything "local" for our area, STV said supposedly that nothing would change regardless but most of its output in programming contain either a Glasweigan accent - you even see it in the Scottish ads (not much a lothian accent) its like anything outwith the capital and Glasgow exists and we are under one accent?! I hardly see STV use its resources from STV North ie present STV main shows or say do the recent cricket but no its default Glasgow

Jim White not Mark White

STV Edinburgh has already started

I used to wonder why he was back on STV a few years back - then realised it was a different Jim White (sports journalist) - though looking at his Wikipedia entry I had a laugh where it says that STV thought they had hired the other Jim White (how accurate that is- is unclear) - hilarious if true!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_White_%28journalist%29

yes this one http://tvnewsroom.org/biography-images/jim-white-3597/ and the other is Mark White who use to do Grampian News http://tvnewsroom.org/tag/mark-white/ (Mark White is Sky News), I knew who I was speaking about anyway

STV Edinburgh is basically STV Glasgow lets be honest apart from changing a couple programmes but thats it and somehow it passes as "local" telly god help us for STV Dundee/Aberdeen next if it happens

How the heck did they not know the right "Jim White" he use to work for the station back in the day for Scotsport! STV is basically home of the Clangers aren't they?

Back in the days of analogue satellite I remember The Paramount Channel once said someone had asked why they closed down at 4am ,leaving a two hour gap until Nickelodeon came back on. Their reply was that the viewing figures were too small to register as an audience and therefore, officially, no-one was watching between 4 and 6. I wonder how many other channels this would apply to in this day and age where the actual number of viewers overnight is so small that, for ratings purposes, the official audience is zero?

At least in those days the channels at least closed and I admit some had "teleshopping" on but to look at this to the old satellite analogue days where we are now in a "digital" age we have channels basically stepping backwards in time to prop up their profits with the likes of gambling/teleshopping it ain't a disgrace its more of an embarassment ie look at the MTV channels "teleshopping" now broadcasts in small hours back in the day it was full on 24/7 it just baffles me that they have some sort of excuse to cover their ass for not putting on programming during the night but I doubt OFCOM care when they should be looking into the channels properly than going high and mighty on stupid complaints

There are probably a number of digital channels where the audience is very low (a few thousand) for some programmes.

As an add on to my previous post I also don't see why STV (or indeed ITV) can't show reruns of shows originally shown on ITV2 & ITV4 during the night.

STV OPT OUTS up to & incl. Fri. 13th:-

TUE. 3RD:-
STV - ANIMAL 999 - last in series, SCOTLAND'S MURDER MYSTERIES - NEW, 1 of 8 - here we go again another Scotland's.... (ITV - River Monsters/Bargain Fever Britain - New) - primetime 7.30pm - 9.00pm.
STV - As Monday (ITV - Gambling/Loose Women/Nightscreen/Jeremy Kyle).

WED. 4TH:-
STV - SCOTLAND TONIGHT, THE CHASE, NIGHTSHIFT, NIGHTSCREEN (ITV - Pop Gold - New, 1 of 8/Spandau Ballet/Gambling/Jeremy Kyle/Nightscreen/Jeremy Kyle).

THUR. 5TH:-
STV - SCOTLAND TODAY, NIGHTSHIFT, NIGHTSCREEN (ITV - Around The House/Perspectives/Gambling/Tonight/Nightscreen/Jeremy Kyle).

FRI. 6TH:-
STV - MOVIEJUICE - 4 of 8 (ITV - Barging Round Britain) - primetime 8pm.
STV - POP GOLD - NEW - 1 of 8 (Disappears next Fri. 13th ), RIVER MONSTERS, NIGHTSHIFT (ITV - Film:Gladiator/Gambling/Jeremy Kyle).

SAT. 7TH:-
STV - NIGHTSHIFT (ITV - Gambling/Jeremy Kyle).

SUN. 8TH:-
STV - COUNTRYWISE - NEW - 1 of 8 (Hurray! STV finally catches up! But will the 8 part run be screened uninterrupted?! ) (ITV - Murder She Wrote) - lunchtime 12.40pm.
STV - NIGHTSHIFT, NIGHTSCREEN (ITV - The Store/Jeremy Kyle/Nightscreen/Jeremy Kyle).

MON. 9TH:-
STV - STOPPING SCOTLAND'S SCAMMERS - 2 of 3 (ITV - More Tales From Northumberland) - primetime 8pm.
STV - SCOTLAND TONIGHT, NIGHTSHIFT, NIGHTSCREEN (ITV - Jonathan Ross/Gambling/Nightscreen/Jeremy Kyle).

TUE. 10TH:-
STV - As Monday (ITV - Film:Carry On Don't Lose Your Head/Gambling/Loose Women/Nightscreen/Jeremy Kyle).

WED. 11TH:-
STV - SCOTLAND TONIGHT, CRICKET, NIGHTSHIFT, NIGHTSCREEN (ITV - Pop Gold/Brits Icon/Gambling/Jeremy Kyle/Nightscreen/Jeremy Kyle).

THUR. 12TH:-
STV - As Monday (ITV - River Monsters/Gambling - then as Wednesday).

FRI. 13TH:-
STV - MOVIEJUICE - 5 of 8 (ITV - Barging Round Britain) - primetime 8pm.
STV - NIGHTSHIFT (ITV - Gambling/Jeremy Kyle).

OPT OUTS (so far) not been shown on STV :-

POP GOLD (PART 2-8, Mar 2015), BARGAIN FEVER BRITAIN (Feb), MORE TALES FROM NORTHUMBERLAND (Feb ), BARGING ROUND BRITAIN (Feb), SECRETS FROM THE SKY (Nov 2014) , HOTEL IN THE CLOUDS (1 off, Nov 2014 & ITV3 Feb 2015).

You will get at least four or six ep of Countrywise as its being pair up with Stopping Scotland's Scammers

I watched Scotland's Murder Mysteries last night - actually it was pretty good (if you like that kind of thing). I noticed it seemed to be a coproduction between STV & BBC Alba, so wonder if it was shown on Alba last year?

For once STV has given us a decent programme "STOPPING SCOTLAND'S SCAMMERS"

STV OPT OUTS up to & incl. Fri. 27th:-

THU. 19TH:-
STV - SCOTLAND TONIGHT, NIGHTSHIFT, NIGHTSCREEN (ITV - Gambling/Jeremy Kyle/Nightscreen/Jeremy Kyle).

FRI. 20TH:-
STV - MOVIEJUICE - 6 of 8 (ITV - Barging Round Britain) - primetime 8pm.
STV - NIGHTSHIFT, NIGHTSCREEN (ITV - Gambling/Jeremy Kyle/Nightscreen).

SAT. 21ST:-
STV & ITV - As Friday.

SUN. 22ND:-
STV - COUNTRYWISE - 3 of 8, STOPPING SCOTLAND'S SCAMMERS - rpt (ITV - Murder She Wrote) - lunchtime.
STV - As Friday (ITV - The Store/Jeremy Kyle/Nightscreen/Jeremy Kyle).

MON. 23RD:-
STV - ELAINE C. SMITH'S BURDZ EYE VIEW - NEW 1 of 6 (ITV - More Tales From Northumberland) - primetime 8pm.
STV - SCOTLAND TONIGHT, NIGHTSHIFT, NIGHTSCREEN (ITV - A Great Welsh Adventure/Gambling/Nightscreen/Jeremy Kyle).

TUE. 24TH:-
STV - RIVER MONSTERS (ITV - River Monsters - diff. episode) - primetime 7.30pm.
STV - As Monday (ITV - Film: Carry On Follow That Camel/Gambling/Loose Women/Nightscreen/Jeremy Kyle).

WED. 25TH:-
STV - As Monday (ITV - Pop Gold - 4 of 8/Olly Murs/Gambling/Jeremy Kyle/Nightscreen/Jeremy Kyle).

THU. 26TH:-
STV - As Monday (ITV - Around The House/Gambling/Tonight/Nightscreen/Jeremy Kyle).

FRI. 27TH:-
STV - NIGHTSHIFT, NIGHTSCREEN (ITV - Gambling/Jeremy Kyle/Nightscreen).

ITV PROGRAMMES STILL NOT SHOWN ON STV :-

POP GOLD (parts 2-8 March 2015 ), MORE TALES FROM NORTHUMBERLAND (Feb/March), BARGING ROUND BRITAIN (Feb/March), SECRETS FROM THE SKY (Nov 2014), HOTEL IN THE CLOUDS (1 off Nov 2014 & rptd. ITV3 Feb 2015).

Well since I caught a bit of Stopping Scotland Scammers this week will all there future programming mention places outwith Scotland by chance? As mentioned in that programme they spoke to a woman from Surrey (Surrey where is that again? It ain't Scotland or did I miss out where she actually lives but sorry Surrey is in England not Scotland kind of a false premise to feature something not from the area - so will Scotland's Murder Mysteries, will we get actual cases all about Scotland or are we off on another world tour with this lot?)