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Old 14-10-2015, 00:33
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Main STV OPT OUTS for Sat. 17th-Fri. 23rd Oct:-

Primetime Wednesday and (according to the tv guide) STV shows MR & MRS - 4 of 8 (in line with ITV). If this is correct then STV have missed 3 of 8 (not screened this Wednesday 14th) Through the night and STV doesn't show British Touring Car Highlights - maybe we're not part of Britain STV??

The "no show on STV" list now looks like this (original screening month on ITV as stated):-

ALL STAR MR & MRS (3 of 8, October) BRITAIN: AS SEEN ON ITV (August), SUPERHOSPITAL (June), WILD EXMOOR, BIG BOX LITTLE BOX, BRITAIN'S BUSIEST AIRPORT - HEATHROW (all May), WILD IRELAND (April & rptd. Aug), MORE TALES FROM NORTHUMBERLAND (parts 6-8 Feb), BARGING ROUND BRITAIN (Feb 2015), SECRETS FROM THE SKY (Nov 2014), HOTEL IN THE CLOUDS (1 off Nov & rptd. ITV3 Feb 2015).

The irony of the British Touring Car Championships, I spotted on STV news at 6 (North edition) it featured a guy speaking to a reporter at ... guess where?? ... Knockhill! STV has a completely different definition of Scotland in my books - more like we are all jocks with kilts and playing bagpipe music and we enjoy the company of John McKay/Rhona/Sean Batty and Lorraine friggin Kelly!! Where the heck are the young talent of STV? Oh wait they are stuck on their locals Glasgow and Edinburgh

Expect Mr and Mrs ep 3 either will be caught up soon or it'll be quietly missed out (expect it to be shown if ITV plan to repeat the series again) and it magically appears!

The missing programming I doubt the STV viewers have not got a chance in hell for seeing them. Again I ask is why they can't show these programmes during the night or give the option of putting them up on the STV Player instead so their viewers can play catchup but I doubt it
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Old 14-10-2015, 00:48
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The young talent are working there way up the ranks. Jennifer Reoch seems to be presenting a show on a Sunday morning on STV. Also out of the names you mentioned apart from Mr Stv (john McKay) they arent all that bad Lorraine only does the Stv Appeal, Rhona was brought in to do Scotland tonight and that is all she does. Also Sean Batty isnt that old but he has been about for a long while though
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Old 14-10-2015, 11:11
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The irony of the British Touring Car Championships, I spotted on STV news at 6 (North edition) it featured a guy speaking to a reporter at ... guess where?? ... Knockhill! STV has a completely different definition of Scotland in my books - more like we are all jocks with kilts and playing bagpipe music and we enjoy the company of John McKay/Rhona/Sean Batty and Lorraine friggin Kelly!! Where the heck are the young talent of STV? Oh wait they are stuck on their locals Glasgow and Edinburgh

Expect Mr and Mrs ep 3 either will be caught up soon or it'll be quietly missed out (expect it to be shown if ITV plan to repeat the series again) and it magically appears!

The missing programming I doubt the STV viewers have not got a chance in hell for seeing them. Again I ask is why they can't show these programmes during the night or give the option of putting them up on the STV Player instead so their viewers can play catchup but I doubt it
I don't understand why STV can't fit in MR & MRS (3 of 8) this week. There are 2 clear opportunities:-

Tonight (usual day of transmission and most obvious choice) - 11.05pm-12.05am - but here they are showing a SPORTS LIFE STORIES repeat!

Tomorrow (Thursday) - 11.35pm-12.30am - but here they are showing a decades old MURDER SHE WROTE repeat!
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Old 14-10-2015, 15:25
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The young talent are working there way up the ranks. Jennifer Reoch seems to be presenting a show on a Sunday morning on STV. Also out of the names you mentioned apart from Mr Stv (john McKay) they arent all that bad Lorraine only does the Stv Appeal, Rhona was brought in to do Scotland tonight and that is all she does. Also Sean Batty isnt that old but he has been about for a long while though
I wonder if STV really do care about talent they can use outwith the Glasgow area? I wonder when my "local" STV starts that STV will use them or be thrown in the bin as usual?

As for the STV Appeal - its the same lot every year! Lorraine Kelly - I thought she mostly works for ITV? She only does this a one time event thing. Mr STV (lol) John McKay - is Rhona Mrs STV by chance?

Got nothing against Sean Batty but why not use their other weather presenters for things like this or do they not exist? Every time say he is on holiday they step in and never to be seen again (for a while) -- STV image - we are an all male presenting channel (females move to the back) - please vary up your presenters more STV (pointless using us in STV North I reckon)
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Old 14-10-2015, 15:29
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I don't understand why STV can't fit in MR & MRS (3 of 8) this week. There are 2 clear opportunities:-

Tonight (usual day of transmission and most obvious choice) - 11.05pm-12.05am - but here they are showing a SPORTS LIFE STORIES repeat!

Tomorrow (Thursday) - 11.35pm-12.30am - but here they are showing a decades old MURDER SHE WROTE repeat!
Oh I know what you mean by being logical but STV are not logical when it comes to scheduling - we may as well ask them to have thrown the episode either at 2am or at 4.05am before Jezza (or just before GMB starts), as I said before why can they not air the shows "after midnight" to stick on STV Player its that simple but again I doubt they see the logic at all - STV viewers if you got sky or virgin media just go to 853 to avoid STV
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Old 14-10-2015, 16:01
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I wonder if STV really do care about talent they can use outwith the Glasgow area? I wonder when my "local" STV starts that STV will use them or be thrown in the bin as usual?

As for the STV Appeal - its the same lot every year! Lorraine Kelly - I thought she mostly works for ITV? She only does this a one time event thing. Mr STV (lol) John McKay - is Rhona Mrs STV by chance?

Got nothing against Sean Batty but why not use their other weather presenters for things like this or do they not exist? Every time say he is on holiday they step in and never to be seen again (for a while) -- STV image - we are an all male presenting channel (females move to the back) - please vary up your presenters more STV (pointless using us in STV North I reckon)
I think they will appear when they launch as Stv Edinburgh and Glasgow share resources e.g Edinburgh Festival when Ewen Cameron (stv Edinburgh) and Jennifer Reoch (stv Glasgow) presented together and Hayley Matthews (Stv Edinburgh) and David Farrel was radio DJ Romeo (stv Glasgow) presented together so that shows it isnt always Glasgow Centric.

Lorraine mostly works for ITV but occasionally does docs for other channels but on stv it is only the yearly appeal.

Maybe Rhona is Mrs STV but John Mackay is 100% Mr STV he is on STV in Glasgow anyway 2.5 hours on Stv news and at least an hour a week on Scotland Tonight. Thats 3.5 on the telly a week.

I take it the girl that covers for Sean is freelance as she only appears occasionally.

I dont think it is fair to say it is a male channel there is loads of female's on. When ever Mr STV is off his cover is either lucy white or Rachel McTavis
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Old 15-10-2015, 01:41
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I think they will appear when they launch as Stv Edinburgh and Glasgow share resources e.g Edinburgh Festival when Ewen Cameron (stv Edinburgh) and Jennifer Reoch (stv Glasgow) presented together and Hayley Matthews (Stv Edinburgh) and David Farrel was radio DJ Romeo (stv Glasgow) presented together so that shows it isnt always Glasgow Centric.

Lorraine mostly works for ITV but occasionally does docs for other channels but on stv it is only the yearly appeal.

Maybe Rhona is Mrs STV but John Mackay is 100% Mr STV he is on STV in Glasgow anyway 2.5 hours on Stv news and at least an hour a week on Scotland Tonight. Thats 3.5 on the telly a week.

I take it the girl that covers for Sean is freelance as she only appears occasionally.

I dont think it is fair to say it is a male channel there is loads of female's on. When ever Mr STV is off his cover is either lucy white or Rachel McTavis
So I guess locals are going to be putting the appeal on again this year - STV love plugging their own shows don't they? They still keep forgetting in general that people outwith STV and STV Glasgow area its meant to be different programming - I thought STV were more of a micro region channel yet they still can't work that out still!

Most of STV's own output is mostly Glasgow centric really - its all controlled from HQ - the only variation difference is news thats it - STV Glasgow/Edinburgh etc are all automated really, last time I checked the voiceover was not exactly LIVE

As far as I remember there is 2 weatherwoman on STV - Jo Farrow and another - where are they for these "appeals" ??

I was only saying "male" as for news coverage as its the same with us in STV North - pity I see that is it STV Glasgow/Edinburgh has got a female sports presenter on? Why not use her for footy than the usual default Raman? As its pointless trying to use our talent in STV North for any sports coverage as again STV's default is mostly Glasgow.
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Old 15-10-2015, 08:30
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So I guess locals are going to be putting the appeal on again this year - STV love plugging their own shows don't they? They still keep forgetting in general that people outwith STV and STV Glasgow area its meant to be different programming - I thought STV were more of a micro region channel yet they still can't work that out still!

Most of STV's own output is mostly Glasgow centric really - its all controlled from HQ - the only variation difference is news thats it - STV Glasgow/Edinburgh etc are all automated really, last time I checked the voiceover was not exactly LIVE

As far as I remember there is 2 weatherwoman on STV - Jo Farrow and another - where are they for these "appeals" ??

I was only saying "male" as for news coverage as its the same with us in STV North - pity I see that is it STV Glasgow/Edinburgh has got a female sports presenter on? Why not use her for footy than the usual default Raman? As its pointless trying to use our talent in STV North for any sports coverage as again STV's default is mostly Glasgow.
Yeah Jo Farrow is the girl that seems to be used as cover the most.

There is a girl called Sheela McClaren who covers for Raman quite often she was actually doing the sport last night
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Old 15-10-2015, 15:24
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Yeah Jo Farrow is the girl that seems to be used as cover the most.

There is a girl called Sheela McClaren who covers for Raman quite often she was actually doing the sport last night
Question still remains is why are STV not using the other presenters to front shows like the STV Appeal than the ones on all the time? STV sure needs a refresh on all its presenters I reckon

The only cover we get for STV North "Sport" when Tyrone is on his holidays is another news presenter covering it ie Chris Harvey (another one from STV that gets shafted alot - one minute covering news items to then either presenting sports or reporting on it!) - can we keep it consistent here? When you watch Reporting Scotland you see who presents what and what department (on the odd occasion you see the main presenter reporting on something which is rare) but STV (North) anyway is shambles on reporting

The irony of it all is a few years ago when STV reported on making cuts and that it would not effect the channel itself is a laugh in itself really as it seems to me as if its STV North (again) taking the brunt of it all and quite possibly Glasgow/Edinburgh maybe untouched (I don't know as I don't follow STV HD (Glasgow) for news)
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Old 15-10-2015, 17:02
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Wouldn't worry about this, It will soon become ITV Scotland with all local stations scrapped, There is no point in keep in a failed local brand alive and they may as well sell for a good retirement fund.
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Old 15-10-2015, 17:14
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Wouldn't worry about this, It will soon become ITV Scotland with all local stations scrapped, There is no point in keep in a failed local brand alive and they may as well sell for a good retirement fund.
I dont think ITV will want it as there as there is still the chance of a second referendum.

Also will ITV still commit to shows such as Scotland Tonight
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Old 15-10-2015, 17:30
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Wouldn't worry about this, It will soon become ITV Scotland with all local stations scrapped, There is no point in keep in a failed local brand alive and they may as well sell for a good retirement fund.
How is it a failed local brand? Despite our complaints, moans and groans on here about the STV OPT OUTS and other bits and pieces the station does or does not do there's no getting away from the fact that STV is a very profitable organisation. Yes, gone are the golden days of providing quality drama and other major programmes to the ITV network (they are now reduced to Catchphrase and other odds and ends) and the STV "local" channels are disappointing (more like STV2 given the repeated content) but I don't think STV is going anywhere soon - the arrangement with ITV works well for STV and despite the fiasco of major OPT OUTS a few years back (how this thread started!) and room for tightening up still in that area they will (IMO) keep it going.
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Old 15-10-2015, 23:21
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I dont think ITV will want it as there as there is still the chance of a second referendum.

Also will ITV still commit to shows such as Scotland Tonight
I have to agree, why would ITV want to get into that mess, and end up having to take the axe and get pulled up daily by MSP etc .
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Old 15-10-2015, 23:36
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I dont think ITV will want it as there as there is still the chance of a second referendum.

Also will ITV still commit to shows such as Scotland Tonight
I also tend to agree that with a 50%/55% chance of second referendum. ITV for now may not want to take over STV and make it into an ITV Scotland.
Also if ITV did take over STV they would have to keep a few hours of local programming as well as local news.
I myself having voted yes in last years referendum are not sure if I want another referendum but I would now be more than happy if Scotland got divo max but if we ever had a second vote I would again vote yes.

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Old 16-10-2015, 00:06
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Wouldn't worry about this, It will soon become ITV Scotland with all local stations scrapped, There is no point in keep in a failed local brand alive and they may as well sell for a good retirement fund.
STV is far from a failed brand its doing really well and is making profits (supposedly), be different if the company was struggling but you can just look it up on Google. I may partly stand up for STV on this part however I do wish STV took more risks with programming be regional and national programming (ITV) than what seems more like play safe programming and for their locals seem to be obsessed with flogging Taggart as a repeats (yes where are the big new dramas STV??)

I do however wish that STV would drop the Glasgow centric feel to the channel - if its a brand about Scotland then please do cover more than the usual Glasgow and partial Edinburgh coverage and give more of their own programming varying "accents" than the usual default Glasgow - this is where I see they fail as the only thing thats different is news but their programming output is no different.
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Old 16-10-2015, 20:01
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Nearly time for the STV Appeal. I think Lorraine could be presenting from the Riverside Show studio. Also Sean seems to be in a kilt.

David from stv Glasgow and Hayley from Stv Edinburgh are taking calls while Ewen Cameron and Jennifer Reoch from Stv Edinburgh and Glasgow respectively are speaking to fundraisers in Edinburgh
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Old 16-10-2015, 20:41
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I seen the hiccup after STV News at 6 ... we see the "ITV" brand appear then suddenly the stv triangle to the then Party Political Broadcast for the SNP ... does anyone at STV not get the timings right on when to switch? I thought us in STV North gets a rough deal but to see what appears STV Glasgow (HQ) they can't even do that properly - I guess its safe to say Gremlins were at play tonight were they STV? (rolleyes)
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Old 17-10-2015, 23:33
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Main STV OPT OUTS for Sat. 17th-Fri. 23rd Oct:-

Primetime Wednesday and (according to the tv guide) STV shows MR & MRS - 4 of 8 (in line with ITV). If this is correct then STV have missed 3 of 8 (not screened this Wednesday 14th) Through the night and STV doesn't show British Touring Car Highlights - maybe we're not part of Britain STV??
Maybe STV are preparing their viewers for life after a yes vote in the second Scottish independence referendum that's possibly only a few years now.
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Old 20-10-2015, 15:14
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Main STV OPT OUTS for Sat. 24th-Fri. 30th Oct:-

Monday primetime (8pm) and STV shows FINDING SCOTLAND'S REAL HEROES (new - 1 of 5) so COUNTRYWISE is dropped (despite it being a new series 1 of 8 starting last night, Monday 19th! ).

The "no show on STV" list now looks like this (original screening month on ITV as stated):-

COUNTRYWISE (parts 2-8, Oct/Nov), ALL STAR MR & MRS (3 of 8, Oct) BRITAIN: AS SEEN ON ITV (Aug), SUPERHOSPITAL (June), WILD EXMOOR, BIG BOX LITTLE BOX, BRITAIN'S BUSIEST AIRPORT - HEATHROW (all May), WILD IRELAND (April & rptd. Aug), MORE TALES FROM NORTHUMBERLAND (parts 6-8, Feb), BARGING ROUND BRITAIN (Feb 2015), SECRETS FROM THE SKY (Nov 2014), HOTEL IN THE CLOUDS (1 off Nov & rptd. ITV3 Feb 2015).
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Old 20-10-2015, 15:16
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Maybe STV are preparing their viewers for life after a yes vote in the second Scottish independence referendum that's possibly only a few years now.
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Old 20-10-2015, 21:13
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Main STV OPT OUTS for Sat. 24th-Fri. 30th Oct:-

Monday primetime (8pm) and STV shows FINDING SCOTLAND'S REAL HEROES (new - 1 of 5) so COUNTRYWISE is dropped (despite it being a new series 1 of 8 starting last night, Monday 19th! ).

The "no show on STV" list now looks like this (original screening month on ITV as stated):-

COUNTRYWISE (parts 2-8, Oct/Nov), ALL STAR MR & MRS (3 of 8, Oct) BRITAIN: AS SEEN ON ITV (Aug), SUPERHOSPITAL (June), WILD EXMOOR, BIG BOX LITTLE BOX, BRITAIN'S BUSIEST AIRPORT - HEATHROW (all May), WILD IRELAND (April & rptd. Aug), MORE TALES FROM NORTHUMBERLAND (parts 6-8, Feb), BARGING ROUND BRITAIN (Feb 2015), SECRETS FROM THE SKY (Nov 2014), HOTEL IN THE CLOUDS (1 off Nov & rptd. ITV3 Feb 2015).

I did wonder about Countrywise starting up on STV and how long it would last - didn't take long, I wonder if they'll shaft soon to late night BEFORE "after midnight" or will we expect a shuffle with it - be on a Saturday then a Sunday then gone off completely?

In a way STV have no real clue on how to schedule missed shows but of course ITV is picking up the tab for viewers in Scotland to use ITV3 as the vehicle for us to catch up on (nothing new there), did STV make an announcement of when next episode was coming up by chance MrSirs? I didn't see much of it but I wondered but then again knowing STV I highly doubt the viewer is told anything other than "look out for this (cough cough) exciting STV el cheapo show"
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Old 23-10-2015, 15:46
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I did wonder about Countrywise starting up on STV and how long it would last - didn't take long, I wonder if they'll shaft soon to late night BEFORE "after midnight" or will we expect a shuffle with it - be on a Saturday then a Sunday then gone off completely?

In a way STV have no real clue on how to schedule missed shows but of course ITV is picking up the tab for viewers in Scotland to use ITV3 as the vehicle for us to catch up on (nothing new there), did STV make an announcement of when next episode was coming up by chance MrSirs? I didn't see much of it but I wondered but then again knowing STV I highly doubt the viewer is told anything other than "look out for this (cough cough) exciting STV el cheapo show"
I didn't actually see the 1st Countrywise on Monday, but given the "non announcements" continuity announcer policy they usually adopt regarding when a programme is returning or will be on next it was probably another discourteous "let's leave it to the viewer to guess" attitude...
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Old 23-10-2015, 17:11
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I didn't actually see the 1st Countrywise on Monday, but given the "non announcements" continuity announcer policy they usually adopt regarding when a programme is returning or will be on next it was probably another discourteous "let's leave it to the viewer to guess" attitude...
I wouldn't be surprised if they told the viewer it'll be back in the new year again whilst I will partly agree STV has to make a local/regional quota (whatever floats their boat in their own reality) but for the amount of missed programming not shown they have became a joke, as far as I remember under the old branding (choose region choice Scottish/Grampian) anything missed was caught up without much notice but these days its getting worse! Whoever set up the arrangement for STV/ITV etc needs to go back and maybe look at how they "networked" back then. As for STV I am more surprised they bang on about programming missed to catch up on STV Player yet they could still broadcast them and just put them on STV Player easily or this just the simple route to make STV closes after midnight run vintage/newish footage and then return with Jezza or Nightscreen before GMB? Its laughable also that most of these commercial channels close early to run Teleshopping (MTV UK), Casino (C5 also owned by Viacom/MTV UK) - Ch4 and the other networks at least run programming during the night or til say 4am and resume about 8am, if the networks don't want to run as 24/7 stations then why not just operate within certain hours then close?
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Old 23-10-2015, 19:08
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I wouldn't be surprised if they told the viewer it'll be back in the new year again whilst I will partly agree STV has to make a local/regional quota (whatever floats their boat in their own reality) but for the amount of missed programming not shown they have became a joke, as far as I remember under the old branding (choose region choice Scottish/Grampian) anything missed was caught up without much notice but these days its getting worse! Whoever set up the arrangement for STV/ITV etc needs to go back and maybe look at how they "networked" back then. As for STV I am more surprised they bang on about programming missed to catch up on STV Player yet they could still broadcast them and just put them on STV Player easily or this just the simple route to make STV closes after midnight run vintage/newish footage and then return with Jezza or Nightscreen before GMB? Its laughable also that most of these commercial channels close early to run Teleshopping (MTV UK), Casino (C5 also owned by Viacom/MTV UK) - Ch4 and the other networks at least run programming during the night or til say 4am and resume about 8am, if the networks don't want to run as 24/7 stations then why not just operate within certain hours then close?
I know there's been a discussion on here before about it not being worth it for STV financially to broadcast during the night but I'm not so sure - if the "niche" digital channels can do it and price their advertising slots accordingly then surely STV can make the numbers work plus I would default to your point too - for our national broadcaster to broadcast pap during the night is unacceptable, particularly if they are being upstaged by the digital channels. I see though they are starting to broadcast (on After Midnight) some of the programmes that air on STV Glasgow/Edinburgh - e.g. football talk show.
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Old 23-10-2015, 22:55
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I know there's been a discussion on here before about it not being worth it for STV financially to broadcast during the night but I'm not so sure - if the "niche" digital channels can do it and price their advertising slots accordingly then surely STV can make the numbers work plus I would default to your point too - for our national broadcaster to broadcast pap during the night is unacceptable, particularly if they are being upstaged by the digital channels. I see though they are starting to broadcast (on After Midnight) some of the programmes that air on STV Glasgow/Edinburgh - e.g. football talk show.
I too get the point if we are meant to be believe its not financially possible (yeah right from one of the companies that announces profits all the time - this part is also towards ITV as well)

Heck look at it another way I see it Pick (Sky), Drama, Yesterday, Really (UKTV) just a few at least run programming through the night to a point then run Teleshopping (I partially accept that if its til say 3am then stick on or just after), but the lame excuse just to stick on vintage footage and new footage from their local channels on a programme is a joke in itself - If they thought this through properly they could still air missed shows once "after midnight" is finished or do they not see that? I see ITV repeat Jezza/Loose Women in small hours but STV puts on "after midnight" MAY run a programme but then quickly jumps on ITV Nightscreen and then resumes normal service for Jezza (ITV) and GMB - so how is it then ITV does at least something in between its gambling - normal programming but STV just gives up?

As for After Midnight - yep they now do that on this show as well as "vintage" repeats again completely baffling
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