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"Not Scotland" - What are STV Playing At? (Part 2)
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Mr Sirs
06-11-2011
kezo I am old enough to remember when STV closed down at 12.30am (usually after a film, or further back Late Call). You know what I would rather see them put the shutters down than try and trick us with this tripe. But OFCOM would have kittens! It's an absolute farce....
kezo
06-11-2011
Originally Posted by Mr Sirs:
“kezo I am old enough to remember when STV closed down at 12.30am (usually after a film, or further back Late Call). You know what I would rather see them put the shutters down than try and trick us with this tripe. But OFCOM would have kittens! It's an absolute farce....”

That actually sounds alot better TV Mr Sirs even if it was in past ... How can anyone say this late night programme is worth watching I do not know ... Oh yes lets watch the replays of scotlands greatest.... or ... repeats of the hour ... gimme a break ... just closedown then at 12 midnight than put this on.... heck ITV1 does sound a bit more interesting there is at least something on til most nights 3am and looking at ITV guide seems to be the zone starts at 3am and there is programming on before it starts and after... ie "kojak" is on early morning and you have "the cube" on one night at midnight ... so ITV and STV there is a difference as far as I see and by looking on the ITV site....
Mr Sirs
07-11-2011
Originally Posted by kezo:
“That actually sounds alot better TV Mr Sirs even if it was in past ... How can anyone say this late night programme is worth watching I do not know ... Oh yes lets watch the replays of scotlands greatest.... or ... repeats of the hour ... gimme a break ... just closedown then at 12 midnight than put this on.... heck ITV1 does sound a bit more interesting there is at least something on til most nights 3am and looking at ITV guide seems to be the zone starts at 3am and there is programming on before it starts and after... ie "kojak" is on early morning and you have "the cube" on one night at midnight ... so ITV and STV there is a difference as far as I see and by looking on the ITV site....”


Some folk may argue that in this multi channel era there is no need for STV, or indeed ITV to be broadcasting anything purposeful during the night. At least yes we have access nowadays to other channels during the night that years ago (when ITV started their night broadcasts) we didn't really have as much.

But anyone who argues this misses the point.. a major broadcaster (ITV/STV) have effectively said "stuff this" and given up to these other channels during the night. What a climbdown - and unacceptable in their remit as a national broadcaster.

I cannot undersatand why STV/ITV can't at least put some content out until 3am along the lines of...

MON/WED/FR/SAT - 12.30-2.15am Movie, 2.15-2.45am American/British comedy, 2.45-3.35am American cop show (Cannon, Streets Of San Francisco, Kojak, Barnaby Jones, Rockford Files, Police Woman etc..), 3.35-5.30am Nightscreen.

TUE/THUR/SUN - 12.30-2.15am British police/drama (Taggart/Lewis/Midsomer etc...), 2.15-3.05am Daytime repeat (The Chase/Goldenballs etc..), 3.15-5.30am Nightscreen.

All too good to be true though.
supersaint1
07-11-2011
Originally Posted by Mr Sirs:
“Some folk may argue that in this multi channel era there is no need for STV, or indeed ITV to be broadcasting anything purposeful during the night. At least yes we have access nowadays to other channels during the night that years ago (when ITV started their night broadcasts) we didn't really have as much.

But anyone who argues this misses the point.. a major broadcaster (ITV/STV) have effectively said "stuff this" and given up to these other channels during the night. What a climbdown - and unacceptable in their remit as a national broadcaster.

I cannot undersatand why STV/ITV can't at least put some content out until 3am along the lines of...

MON/WED/FR/SAT - 12.30-2.15am Movie, 2.15-2.45am American/British comedy, 2.45-3.35am American cop show (Cannon, Streets Of San Francisco, Kojak, Barnaby Jones, Rockford Files, Police Woman etc..), 3.35-5.30am Nightscreen.

TUE/THUR/SUN - 12.30-2.15am British police/drama (Taggart/Lewis/Midsomer etc...), 2.15-3.05am Daytime repeat (The Chase/Goldenballs etc..), 3.15-5.30am Nightscreen.

All too good to be true though. ”

Because for British drama they would be required to pay the actors repeat fees which would prove too costly to make it worth showing at that time of night.
northantsgirl
07-11-2011
I think its becoming clear that people's problems on here with STV is that they are not ITV plc. As there is less and less STV programmes now on, the gang have now focussed on the through the night sequence as that's all that's left other than the news. However, can I assume that as it is not being ripped to shreds here that Scotland Tonight is somehow deemed acceptable despite being an STV production?
seiko456
07-11-2011
Originally Posted by northantsgirl:
“I think its becoming clear that people's problems on here with STV is that they are not ITV plc. As there is less and less STV programmes now on, the gang have now focussed on the through the night sequence as that's all that's left other than the news. However, can I assume that as it is not being ripped to shreds here that Scotland Tonight is somehow deemed acceptable despite being an STV production?”


I think you head the nail... STV used to have couple of Dramas and gameshows and even kids shows now nothing for the network, Maybe STV need to speak more with the ITV network centre about this:

There is NO money in overnights now, STV does not even provide adverts between 00.30 - 5am.
Mr Sirs
07-11-2011
Originally Posted by supersaint1:
“Because for British drama they would be required to pay the actors repeat fees which would prove too costly to make it worth showing at that time of night.”



Thanks for clarifying that. So let's take out British progs because of this - what's the problem then of showing films and American crime/comedy progs - same issue?
Mr Sirs
07-11-2011
Originally Posted by northantsgirl:
“I think its becoming clear that people's problems on here with STV is that they are not ITV plc. As there is less and less STV programmes now on, the gang have now focussed on the through the night sequence as that's all that's left other than the news. However, can I assume that as it is not being ripped to shreds here that Scotland Tonight is somehow deemed acceptable despite being an STV production?”



I have no problem with STV being STV, but move up here and you will realise the dross we have had to put up with over the last 18 months - their list of opt outs from Doc Martin, Downton Abbey etc.. has been nothing short of pathetic...

Cheap and shoddy productions, Australian imports, repeats etc.. etc.. this coupled with a massive climbdown to now start showing those main ITV dramas has shown them up to be total amateurs. Now they have seen the sense in all of that (although still insist on bumping Joanna Lumley to 11.05pm in favour of the quality.... ermm.. Scotland's Greatest Album).

The through the night offering is embarrassing for a national broadcaster. This stance of "giving up" because of competition/digital channels is a cop out - national broadcasters should be taking the lead - not holding up the white flag of surrender!

As for Scotland Tonight - my personal opinion is that is like comparing The Daily Express to BBC Newsnight Scotland's The Scotsman. It is fairly lightweight and undemanding - would I miss it if it was scrapped? No, but I do agree with STV in that there is a need for such a programme. It's just that it comes across as nothing remarkable and quite frankly what we have come to accept from this broadcaster.
seiko456
07-11-2011
BEG YOUR pardon? a massive climbdown have you failed to notice the 18 month battle between the two companies? and which it was proven stv was right....

Im sorry but I actually like the nighttime offering, its has live CA AND clips etc, at least there trying. unlike itv with the zone...
kezo
07-11-2011
Originally Posted by seiko456:
“BEG YOUR pardon? a massive climbdown have you failed to notice the 18 month battle between the two companies? and which it was proven stv was right....

Im sorry but I actually like the nighttime offering, its has live CA AND clips etc, at least there trying. unlike itv with the zone...”


It so obvious ... if the whole argument was "who was better" sorry STV massively failed there seiko ... what STV relied on "imports" to gain viewers? and thought to delay the rest of scotland what "they knew best" sorry its backfired massively.. or using "scotlands who gives a damn" programmes ... as far as nightshift its a disaster even if its LIVE - 10 mins was enough for me and glad I switched off...total crap of airtime .. may as well switch on radio if you want to "interact" with a DJ than a voiceover in a studio....
Mr Sirs
07-11-2011
Originally Posted by seiko456:
“BEG YOUR pardon? a massive climbdown have you failed to notice the 18 month battle between the two companies? and which it was proven stv was right....

Im sorry but I actually like the nighttime offering, its has live CA AND clips etc, at least there trying. unlike itv with the zone...”


You are either being sarcastically funny or serious - I don't know which. If it's the latter then let me remind you...

Massive climbdown - Yes I am not stupid I was aware of the legal battle, but are you IGNORING (yes I can shout too ) the massive public opinion and press outcry against STVs ridiculous stance to not show these top programmes and replace them with - let me repeat... RUBBISH - not quality programming, but since proven dross. That is what makes people annoyed - you are in the minority whether you like it or not, as STV have had to swallow their pride and show the programmes their viewers wanted to see in the first place!

As for the nightime programmes - dear oh dear - are you honestly saying their offering is acceptable from a national broadcaster? It is not - but hey ho that's your opinion and you are entitled to it.
Mr Sirs
07-11-2011
Seiko I suggest you get a job with STV - you are as ridiculous as they are in their PR spin.
Mr Sirs
07-11-2011
Kezo guess what I am recording tonight at 10.30pm? Watch this space tomorrow!
seiko456
07-11-2011
How can STV Broadcast "so called" programmes people want to see, half the programmes that went missing I could not care and nor do many others. I said, if STV broadcast DA, Doc Martin S4 and a few other bits n bobs all would be happy. The bill was crap, thats why itv killed it off,

I know STV have broadcast utter crap, but the reason behide was because of the legal battle, and its since it has been sorted a few more dramas have appeared but I do wish STV can produced more shows for the network. How could STV broadcast the series if there could not afford to or was being forced to pay to much? YES stv used some really stupied slogans to tag to try and get around this fact and if there were upfront with viewers about this from day one , most people including BIDIE-IN would have been right behide them.
kezo
07-11-2011
Originally Posted by seiko456:
“How can STV Broadcast "so called" programmes people want to see, half the programmes that went missing I could not care and nor do many others. I said, if STV broadcast DA, Doc Martin S4 and a few other bits n bobs all would be happy. The bill was crap, thats why itv killed it off,

I know STV have broadcast utter crap, but the reason behide was because of the legal battle, and its since it has been sorted a few more dramas have appeared but I do wish STV can produced more shows for the network. How could STV broadcast the series if there could not afford to or was being forced to pay to much? YES stv used some really stupied slogans to tag to try and get around this fact and if there were upfront with viewers about this from day one , most people including BIDIE-IN would have been right behide them.”

STV do broadcast these "so called" programmes - I liked the bill being honest and even for 26 years (i watched in since 90's) and the way STV treated that programme in particular was disrespectful ... when ITV moved time and broadcast the last 2 ever episodes did you see STV run back to show it since it was a network show? answer really is no they thought we would rather watch either old billy connolly or underbelly or the greatest crap

If STV said they "could not afford" funny that when you heard reports on "reporting scotland" company making big "profits" and coming out with "cant afford" the programmes but 18 months or so later they show them?? (sounds like if ITV were no longer showing them STV got on the cheap)

I will agree with you on if STV was more upfront with viewers concerns then I too would back them but what they show in the opt outs to ITV is nothing more than utter crap - who really cares in Scotland about an album "made in scotland" and with some "so called" artists as they claim were scottish but forget to really say that possibly most of their lives were in England or Austraila? (Scottish really?) wow my name is irish (keiron) I was born and bred in Scotland I am 100% scottish 0% irish - proves my point was trying to use "big" names to pull in viewers obviously and not thought out....proves also when they also do adverts from ITV1 they aint that good either seen today the ad for "little england" voiceover trying to do "french" - dont see ITV doing that ... they take a professional route on it ... and one final thing I also noted today... I see STV no longer "broadcasts" the preview of the ITV News at 1.30pm and we are given the info on the STV Player ... I rather have known what was happening in the news preview than know about their player
kezo
07-11-2011
Originally Posted by Mr Sirs:
“Kezo guess what I am recording tonight at 10.30pm? Watch this space tomorrow!”

Oh I know I know Billy Joel "we didnt start the fire" ... oh sorry STV's Scotland Tonight
Stephen Greene
08-11-2011
STV are at it again from next Tuesday according to my digiguide they are inflicting a ten minute short into the schedule at 7:30pm, by doing so they will then run every thing late including the News at Ten which will start at 10:10pm.

Who runs STV these days,lunatics or Forrest Gump?
kezo
08-11-2011
Originally Posted by Stephen Greene:
“STV are at it again from next Tuesday according to my digiguide they are inflicting a ten minute short into the schedule at 7:30pm, by doing so they will then run every thing late including the News at Ten which will start at 10:10pm.

Who runs STV these days,lunatics or Forrest Gump?”

both possibly ... is this due to an England match being shown?
supersaint1
08-11-2011
Stv are now really no longer a TV producer. They are basically a company who sell TV advertising and operate a website and web companies e.g. Stv Holidays, Stv Deals and Stv Jobs.

Only 15 years ago, Stv were making Dr Finlay, Taggart, McCallum, High Road, Machair, Wheel of Fortune, Win Lose or Draw, How 2, NB, Scottish Passport, Scottish Women, Scotsport Scottish Action etc

Now they make the news, Scotland's Greatest Album and Scotland Tonight. Woop Dee Doo!!
A sad state of affairs.
Mr Sirs
08-11-2011
Originally Posted by kezo:
“both possibly ... is this due to an England match being shown?”



Bang on Kezo. ITV is showing the England v Sweden game from 7.30-10.10pm on Tuesday 15th.
Mr Sirs
08-11-2011
Originally Posted by supersaint1:
“Stv are now really no longer a TV producer. They are basically a company who sell TV advertising and operate a website and web companies e.g. Stv Holidays, Stv Deals and Stv Jobs.

Only 15 years ago, Stv were making Dr Finlay, Taggart, McCallum, High Road, Machair, Wheel of Fortune, Win Lose or Draw, How 2, NB, Scottish Passport, Scottish Women, Scotsport Scottish Action etc

Now they make the news, Scotland's Greatest Album and Scotland Tonight. Woop Dee Doo!!
A sad state of affairs.”





A wise and well put observation - sad indeed that a national broadcaster has given up on tv production, overnight tv & quality programming in what's left (i.e. their news and other very limited output).

The only reason they are getting away with this now is we are in a multi channel era - if this had happened 20-30 years ago there would have been an outcry.

I don't know how STV management and execs. can sleep at night - within a few short years they are responsible for taking a once proud broadcaster into a 2nd rate tv channel. Serving Scotland? They must be kidding.
kezo
08-11-2011
Originally Posted by Mr Sirs:
“Bang on Kezo. ITV is showing the England v Sweden game from 7.30-10.10pm on Tuesday 15th. ”

Oh damn! ... I got relatives staying in Sweden would have watched it on STV if they put it on .... oh well ITV1 --- You hear me down there? --- I am watching the match on your channel but I am wanting Sweden to win! lol........I aint watching the replacement STV has got on either ha!

Did this not happen before that STV ran commercials nonstop til ITV were "ready" to show "news at ten" later ....Hope they dont do it for this match or the station will be more laughable ... oh wait it already is how did I forget
Mr Sirs
08-11-2011
Originally Posted by Mr Sirs:
“Kezo guess what I am recording tonight at 10.30pm? Watch this space tomorrow!”



Scotland Tonight for Monday:-

1. 2 guests speaking about the financial problems at Rangers FC = 10mins.

2. Guest talking about M5 crash/speed limit on motorway = 3mins.

3. Local news opt out = 8 mins.

4. Guests talking about how Olympic 2012 affects Scotland = 5mins.

5. Presenter announces "5 things happening tomorrow" = 2mins.

Running time c.28mins.


Summary:- The 1st news item obviously had a West Of Scotland bias, though you could argue it concerns one of Scotland's largest sporting institutions.

The 2nd item on speed - mmm thought the link with Scotland wasn't there on that one.

Local news opt out - Fine.

4th item on Olympics - A politician and sportsman in the studio - healthy arguments there, not bad.

5th item - 5 things... - a bit tabloidy to say the least.

Overall not too bad - a bit lightweight in places, not as solid as Newsnight Scotland but perhaps their different approach reflects this.

Will record tonight/Wed and report back here Thursday.
Mr Sirs
08-11-2011
Originally Posted by kezo:
“Oh damn! ... I got relatives staying in Sweden would have watched it on STV if they put it on .... oh well ITV1 --- You hear me down there? --- I am watching the match on your channel but I am wanting Sweden to win! lol........I aint watching the replacement STV has got on either ha!

Did this not happen before that STV ran commercials nonstop til ITV were "ready" to show "news at ten" later ....Hope they dont do it for this match or the station will be more laughable ... oh wait it already is how did I forget ”


Kezo the line up for next Tuesday night on STV is as follows
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7.30-7.40 - Beyond Explanation - a 10 min. short on Morar.

7.40-8.10 - Cheetah Kingdom (8 of 12).

8.10-9.10 - High Stakes - (5 of 8, so that means from 22/11 STV will be in line with ITV on this prog.).

9.10-10.10 - Homes From Hell (4 of 5).

:sleep:
kezo
08-11-2011
Originally Posted by Mr Sirs:
“Scotland Tonight for Monday:-

1. 2 guests speaking about the financial problems at Rangers FC = 10mins.

2. Guest talking about M5 crash/speed limit on motorway = 3mins.

3. Local news opt out = 8 mins.

4. Guests talking about how Olympic 2012 affects Scotland = 5mins.

5. Presenter announces "5 things happening tomorrow" = 2mins.

Running time c.28mins.


Summary:- The 1st news item obviously had a West Of Scotland bias, though you could argue it concerns one of Scotland's largest sporting institutions.

The 2nd item on speed - mmm thought the link with Scotland wasn't there on that one.

Local news opt out - Fine.

4th item on Olympics - A politician and sportsman in the studio - healthy arguments there, not bad.

5th item - 5 things... - a bit tabloidy to say the least.

Overall not too bad - a bit lightweight in places, not as solid as Newsnight Scotland but perhaps their different approach reflects this.

Will record tonight/Wed and report back here Thursday. ”

You still aint got me convinced ... surprised the Rangers issue got more time than the "olympics" for scotland by 2 mins.. why not just shorten all issues to 5 mins! be alot easier than all over the shop! lol
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